well, considering they are primarily bashed from stock or something on par with stock...excelent designs but lets face it, they need an overhaul. Also illistrates the lack of decent neghvars and vorchas out there. The 2 classes seem to be largly ignored, most of the good ones being low poly or old (cleeve, deemon, 9 of 9) from several years ago and I don't think there is a single one of either using 1024 maps.