Topic: Gorns (updated 10/26) (Read 11123 times)

Rod ONeal · « **on:** July 26, 2005, 12:35:45 am »

Meshes by: Atolm
Textures by: Me

There's 6 in all. These are the 1st two. They still need HPs/DPs and brk.mods Hopefully i'll be able to get them all ready soon.

Starforce2 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 26, 2005, 09:02:00 am »

good grief...those kick ***!!!!!! Normaly I'm not that thrilled by gorn but these got me excited.

Mr_Tricorder · « **Reply #2 on:** July 26, 2005, 09:45:07 am »

Very nice! These are excellent models. The color scheme seems unusual for gorn ships, though.

Victory · « **Reply #3 on:** July 26, 2005, 10:07:04 am »

yeah, a bit to blue for gorn if you ask me, but excellent looking ships otherwise.

OlBuzzard · « **Reply #4 on:** July 26, 2005, 10:25:48 am »

What era ? The color of the texture maybe a bit curious ...

But other wise :

WOW !

Super Job !

CC22 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 26, 2005, 09:09:34 pm »

Nice going. I know how hard it is to texture a model from scratch, or near scratch.

. The textures do remind me more of Andorian or Federation rather than Gorn, though.

Rod ONeal · « **Reply #6 on:** July 27, 2005, 12:47:35 am »

Quote from: Starforce2 on July 26, 2005, 09:02:00 am

good grief...those kick ***!!!!!! Normaly I'm not that thrilled by gorn but these got me excited.

Starforce likes it?

(Thanks, man. Knowing that you generally, ummm... "dislike" SFB (which these are based off of) designs I just had to give you a little shot.

)

Lots of comments/questions. Thanks, I like that. It sucks when nobody's interested. The grey color is from SFB. The warp glows should be red and the impulse blue, if I were to be totally accurate. I took a bit of artistic license. To me, the blue and grey work well aesthetically. That's why I used it. I took styling cues from Desty Nova's Gorns and Atolms TMP Gorn cruiser for the textures.

Atolm made these meshes way back in Oct. of '03, where they've resided on my HDD ever since waiting for textures. The textures are from scratch, a first for me. I asked him for something that looked like SFB but was more up to date than their designs from the 70's. I wanted the basic bubble (saucer to you Feds

) and hull configuration to be the same, keep the rounded nacelles, and add recessed saucer rims. Something that would fit in well with the 1st movie (1701-A) for the styling. By this time the Feds and Gorns had started technology exchanges (according to SFB). So, there are some purposefull similarities with them. I also asked that he keep the polies to around 2500 +/- 10% so they'd run good in game for most people. He hit on all of the requests. Even the DN with 3 bubbles is in at just under 2800 polies and looks pretty darn smooth at the same time. It'd be nice to have some more mesh details (bridge, weapons, etc...) but the limit on the poly count, and the overall round design, precludes that, unfortunately.

I imagine SFB/SFC Gorns to have armored looking textures. Their basic tactic of closing to point blank range and slapping a tractor on their enemy where they slug it out toe to toe (the Gorn anchor) would seem to require that to me. I also tried to make them look a bit "scaley" (they are lizards after all). That was hard for me to do with the bubbles because of how you have to distort the texture to change the aztecing from straight to round, but I think I got it on the rest of the ship pretty well. I've got some ideas to try to get that better on some of the other ship-classes. This is also my 1st attempt at decals/emblems, registries, and spot lighting. I'm still not totally happy with the spotlights, but they're as good as I can get them at the moment.

Thanks for the comments, and I don't mind my styling decisions being questioned. Sometimes I even listen and change things. So, if you think that something different would look better, don't be shy.

Rhaz · « **Reply #7 on:** July 27, 2005, 02:40:46 pm »

These are very cool - a good TMP look.

Rhaz

Kana · « **Reply #8 on:** July 27, 2005, 06:32:38 pm »

Very nice, can't wait...we can always use SFB themed material IMHO....

Kana

CC22 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 27, 2005, 07:36:14 pm »

Thats a great attitude to have over your work

'tis nice to see. Thanks for the explanations too as they've made things much clear in regards to how you have developed her. Btw may I ask, what program do you use to create the textures? Photoshop or good ol' PSP?

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #10 on:** July 27, 2005, 09:46:12 pm »

Fantastic job !!!!!!!!!!!!! But I too question the color of the textures. You da man HotRod.

-MP

markyd · « **Reply #11 on:** July 28, 2005, 01:35:07 am »

Me Likes

I have no idea what colour gorns should be... so you could sell this to me easily

Rod ONeal · « **Reply #12 on:** July 28, 2005, 09:52:16 pm »

Well, (according to my non-scientific poll

) the color isn't a big hit. Maybe you guys could give me something a little more specific to go by? Is it the grey color? The blue hues to the overcoating? The blue glows?

AFAIK the closest thing to a canon Gorn we have is SkinMan's version of a Gorn that almost appeared in DS9. It's green. I'm really full of green alien ships though in Trek. Klingons, Romulans, and Borg (The Borg aren't actually green, but they might as well be with all of the eerie green glows.). SFB Gorns are grey with red glows. More of a true B&W grey than I'm using. I'm trying to spruce them up a bit with the blue hue.

Here's some shots with the DN rendered in OP. I added a little spacey background for contrast, but the model itself is as it appears in-game (lighting, shading, etc...). This way you can see how she looks now and give me some suggestions for possible changes.

Thanks all.

Oh, one other thing. Please keep in mind the era is early TMP. Think Enterprise-A... Early K'tinga. Not TNG with the more exaggerated shadings.

CC2, I mostly use photoshop, but the light maps were done in psp. I find the psp lighting and contrast easier to use.

Starforce2 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 29, 2005, 09:00:58 am »

maybe it's not the hull color the the nacelle glows and whatever those slots are on the saucer (shield emitters..? too large to be windows) But maybe try yellow drives or the original stock drives.

I reread a post above and since you already have red markings on the nacelles, a color that usualy clashes with blue anyways, I don't think red drives would be bad looking, and if you went with a blue impulse perhaps try different shades of blue or brightness levels, even textures on the grilles themselves...

Kana · « **Reply #14 on:** July 30, 2005, 04:15:34 pm »

For an SFB style ship, especially as maybe an advanced (x-ship)/TMP era, I think this color, and everything else is just fine...but you could also use this as a reference...

http://www.starfleetgames.com/minis/GRN/Gorn1.pdf

Kana

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #15 on:** August 03, 2005, 07:17:12 am »

Nice catch Kana.

Kana · « **Reply #16 on:** August 03, 2005, 06:08:22 pm »

Yeah I think there is a thread with a link to all of the races on the main modelling forum...something about sfb modellers I believe...

Kana

Captain Adam · « **Reply #17 on:** August 04, 2005, 12:49:14 am »

GotAFarmYet? · « **Reply #18 on:** August 04, 2005, 12:56:21 am »

I think they are beautiful as well, always wanted somethingto replace the current gorns with.

As for the colours the blue and grey look cool!
and for anyone else, well that is what retextures are for, changing colours only is easy

Rod ONeal · « **Reply #19 on:** August 05, 2005, 03:22:32 pm »

OK, here's what I'm doing... When I first showed the DN to Atolm he asked if I could do a version with green glows, to better match his later era Gorn CA that he recently released. That should have been my 1st clue that the blue glows might not be real popular.
When I showed it to my GF she said, "It's really blue." I said, "That's it? Is that all you have to say?" She said, "Well you can't expect me to gush all over everything that you do." That should have been more than a clue. More like El Kabong's guitar up side my head! (Does anyone here know who "El Kabong" is?)

Well, I still like the blue, (as do some others) but I can compromise.

Here's the green glows for Atolm->

To coordinate better with his later era Gorn here (shown for reference)->

...and, "truer to SFB", red->

Thanks for everyone's input. After doing the other colors, I've decided that I like the red best. Although I still like the blue a lot.
Some of the comments might prove useful in the future, as well. I now know what color scheme to use for Andorians, for example, if I ever do any.
A bit of a special thanks to G.A.F.Y. I'm glad that you like them. You're one of my texturing mentors (along with a few others). The level of detail that you put into your textures is awesome, man.

I'll get all of the models done and then I'll get them posted.

MajorRacal · « **Reply #20 on:** August 05, 2005, 04:06:14 pm »

And you got your hull illluminations too - excellent.

Mr_Tricorder · « **Reply #21 on:** August 05, 2005, 06:40:58 pm »

Quote from: Rod ONeal on August 05, 2005, 03:22:32 pm

... More like El Kabong's guitar up side my head! (Does anyone here know who "El Kabong" is?)...

My girlfriend made an El Kabong reference the other day, and I had no idea what she was talking about. She explained it and I had one of those "oh yeah... now I remember" moments.

Rogue · « **Reply #22 on:** August 05, 2005, 06:43:23 pm »

I've been keeping tabs on your progress with these and I wanted to compliment you taking these on.

I approve the texture work on the hull and wouldn't change a thing with the Gorn aztec patterns for the hull plating. I wouldn't worry too much about the color of the illuminations your going to release as it's such an easy thing to alter to one's taste.

The only thing I think that isn't working very well is the emblems on the nacelles and, to a lesser extent, the insignia on the saucer. To offer an opinion I think it might work better if the level of color was reduced. Perhaps start with the pattern on the base hull textures then bring in the reddish-orange to make it contrast with the hull plating. Or rather than looking like it was painted on that it was a tint of the hull plating, instead. Make sense?

Anyway, these look like they will be a lot of fun to use. Take your time and have fun with it.

PS. El Kabong... refers to Quickdraw McGraw of Hanna Barbara cartoon fame?

Rod ONeal · « **Reply #23 on:** August 08, 2005, 08:56:59 am »

Thanks, Rogue. Something looked wrong with the "decals" to me, as well, but I didn't know what it was. That's probably it though, especially on the warp decals. Maybe if I try to drop the opacity a bit (90% or so) and possibly add some sort of mild "crinkle" texture/pattern to them to make them appear a bit weathered? Maybe that'll help.

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #24 on:** August 09, 2005, 01:51:35 pm »

El Kabong = Quickdraw McGraw's alter ego. Quickdraw is an old Hanna and Barbera cartoon who's sidekick was Baba Looey

And EL Kabong himself.

There ya go.
-MP

OlBuzzard · « **Reply #25 on:** August 13, 2005, 06:17:40 pm »

The ship looks good bud ...

oh .. and MP ..

Ya know what bad ... I remember when all of that was originally released !

Rod ONeal · « **Reply #26 on:** October 12, 2005, 09:57:19 pm »

Hi, all. I've been working s-l-o-w-l-y on these. I posted this at DRS for Atolm to see. I wanted you to see them too.

After much comsideration and debate I've decided to stick to SFB original "paint scheme" which is grey hull, red warps (I also made the "deflector grid" red) and blue impulse. I hope that Atolm approves.

First up an Atolm original GCL

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I bashed an "anatomically correct" SFB CL from Atolm's CA that I showed previously.

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Also, an SFB CA bashed from the same model.

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Finally, (stop cheering

) a Gorn PF. I shaved the CL from 2210 polies down to 676. Kept it looking pretty smooth too, if I do say so myself. that keeps a squadron of them under the self imposed 2750 poly limit that I set for the ships (2500 +/- 10%).

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The little pics are linked to full sized 1024x768 photoshop renders. Again, I hope ya like'em

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #27 on:** October 12, 2005, 11:17:22 pm »

Looking great Rod !!!!
-MP

Rhaz · « **Reply #28 on:** October 13, 2005, 03:46:18 pm »

Quote from: ModelsPlease on October 12, 2005, 11:17:22 pm

Looking great Rod !!!!
-MP

I concur. I can't wait to fly them

Rod ONeal · « **Reply #29 on:** October 26, 2005, 12:58:45 am »

Here's the reworked DN and CVA variant (and some wee ships

)

Doors open (CVA):

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Doors closed (DN):

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Fighter:

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Shuttle:

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You can have either open or closed rear hanger doors with either variant by swapping out one texture, depending on your preference.
These are all ready except for brk.mods. Once I can get those I'll post them for DL. Sorry for the delay.

Rhaz · « **Reply #30 on:** October 26, 2005, 08:45:01 am »

Well done and well worth the wait. I really like the open / closed options on the hanger bay doors.

Jaeih t`Radaik · « **Reply #31 on:** December 12, 2005, 01:15:33 pm »

Newcomer here, and I know this might be old news to some, but I just had to say that I love these "TMPed" Gorn ships! They are very true to the orginal SFB shape but just modified enough to look modern, exactly like the Enterprise was from TOS to TMP.

Excellent work, truly stellar. Now, where canI DL them? Are they at Battleclinic?

Rod ONeal · « **Reply #32 on:** December 12, 2005, 10:45:51 pm »

There's download links posted here:
http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163362454.0.html

If nightsoft is offline, be patient. It'll come back up. I'm glad you like them.

Jaeih t`Radaik · « **Reply #33 on:** January 19, 2006, 03:43:53 pm »

Most definitely. I'll be DLing them tomorrow for all my Gorn "+" refit ships.

Thanks Rod.

Red_Green · « **Reply #34 on:** March 16, 2006, 05:45:42 pm »

Very nice Rod. Great light maps. I like em all.

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