Topic: My Last Copy of SFC 3 for sale Signed Unopened

[Sethan]

Toast - what it comes down to is this:

Taldren was never under any contractural obligation to support any version of SFC.

Under the contracts between Taldren and the publishers, that was the responsibility of the publisher - and not one of the publishers of any version of SFC ever supported it.

WE are technically not Taldren's customers - we are Interplay and Activision's customers.

Taldren took it upon themselves to create a forum and method for the end users of the games they developed to get support, since the publishers were not providing support.

Taldren was never paid for this.

I used to work in the game software industry.

I don't know how familiar you are with the game software industry - but the publisher is the one with the money, and they determine to a large extent what features the game will have.  They tell the developer what they want - and the developer tells them how long it will take to do that.  Then the publisher tells them they have 75% (or 50%) of that time - but that the developer is not allowed to cut any features.  The publisher then coughs up a monthly stipend for development costs until they decide it is done.

For at least one of the SFC series, Taldren pushed for an extension on the release date, and continued to develop the game after the publisher stopped paying them.

Individual Taldren programmers also continued working on patches for years after they stopped getting any money for doing so.

IF a game is a big hit, the developer may see some royalties - usually, the publisher gets all of that.

If you want to complain about the state of SFC3, talk to Activision - who refused to allow Taldren to release patches for it because they have a "one patch" policy.

The folks at Taldren went above and beyond to get you the best game they could.

So - the people you want to slam because you got a "broken game" went above and beyond what was required of them or was reasonable for them to do.  The publishers not only were not paying for development - they weren't paying for the patches, and in at least one case, they actively prevented Taldren from releasing patches that Taldren worked on for free.

As to David in particular, if memory serves, he was owed a considerable sum by Taldren when all was said and done - money which the company simply didn't have.

He didn't make huge sums off SFC, and neither did anyone else at Taldren.  If you want to find out where the money went, talk to the various publishers.

That's why old-timers here get upset when those who don't know how things went down, slam Taldren.

[Toast]

 OOPPS srry E_look ill try better btw bro from an earlier post most of the neg karma around us has been from the league stuff were really not that bad...............

[Stormbringer]

In case you wonder; dissent does not have to be accompanied by implicit and overt disrespect. Phaser went out of his way to be rude insulting and obnoxious to Dave, and to Sethan who happens to be a moderator. try calling a moderator an ass at any other forum and see how long you are a forum member. there will be no more of this or the offender will be actioned.

[toasty0]

I think everyone should know that David worked on SFCOP for quite some time without any pay from anyone. On his own time and dime...just like Mag did with EAW.

[E_Look]

Now, now, all the burnt bread boys, chill; you smokin' up the joint.

ISC_Toast, I hear you.  I don't think you're so bad, either.  But we all have our private thoughts and beliefs about other people and when they are not so complimentary, and there's no gain for anyone to say it, keep it, as we old folks say, "under your hat".  And I'd just like you, ISC_phaser, and other folks to realize really how cool Dynaverse and the SFCs are, especially compared to other sites, partly because of the legacy of fine gentlemen like David Ferrell and a few others.  They kicked in when they could have left everybody high and dry... I mean, hey, we're all still here, goin' strong and a big part of that foundation was laid by folks like that who contributed, sacrificed, and just plain did the right thing.

And, you'll see that we don't really care to go around and flame people.  But as you can see by the "turnout" that we do care about doing the right thing.  And, if phaser is still reading, I (and I strongly believe, we) don't have anything against him; if he was just being honest, so were the rest of us!

+1 for your openness and fairness.

secretly transmitted discretions::toasty0- you're just an old crust , but we love you nonetheless.   

[toasty0]

Maybe I was being toooo honest. For that I apologize.

Now where did I put that pain stick for ISC[toast]. I hear frogs make a great delicacy.

[KBF-Crim]

It wasnt the game worth 150 bucks....it was the signature.

[OlBuzzard]

Toast - what it comes down to is this:

Taldren was never under any contractural obligation to support any version of SFC.

Under the contracts between Taldren and the publishers, that was the responsibility of the publisher - and not one of the publishers of any version of SFC ever supported it.

WE are technically not Taldren's customers - we are Interplay and Activision's customers.

Taldren took it upon themselves to create a forum and method for the end users of the games they developed to get support, since the publishers were not providing support.

Taldren was never paid for this.

I used to work in the game software industry.

I don't know how familiar you are with the game software industry - but the publisher is the one with the money, and they determine to a large extent what features the game will have.  They tell the developer what they want - and the developer tells them how long it will take to do that.  Then the publisher tells them they have 75% (or 50%) of that time - but that the developer is not allowed to cut any features.  The publisher then coughs up a monthly stipend for development costs until they decide it is done.

For at least one of the SFC series, Taldren pushed for an extension on the release date, and continued to develop the game after the publisher stopped paying them.

Individual Taldren programmers also continued working on patches for years after they stopped getting any money for doing so.

IF a game is a big hit, the developer may see some royalties - usually, the publisher gets all of that.

If you want to complain about the state of SFC3, talk to Activision - who refused to allow Taldren to release patches for it because they have a "one patch" policy.

The folks at Taldren went above and beyond to get you the best game they could.

So - the people you want to slam because you got a "broken game" went above and beyond what was required of them or was reasonable for them to do.  The publishers not only were not paying for development - they weren't paying for the patches, and in at least one case, they actively prevented Taldren from releasing patches that Taldren worked on for free.

As to David in particular, if memory serves, he was owed a considerable sum by Taldren when all was said and done - money which the company simply didn't have.

He didn't make huge sums off SFC, and neither did anyone else at Taldren.  If you want to find out where the money went, talk to the various publishers.

That's why old-timers here get upset when those who don't know how things went down, slam Taldren.

Hey bud ...   

While it's true our paths very seldom cross ..  I want to thank you personally for tell exactly how many of us feel.  Though I do not personally care for how (or  what)  SFC-OP has evolved into ..  it really gets under my skin to see folk bad mouth those who dedicate so much time as they have ( and continue in many cases)  ..  to improve upon, and or try new things to help support the SFC community.

It never ceases to amaze me how people can stoop to the level that has been achieved  ( in some cases  IMHO  it reaches a new low each time) in order to prove their point, or to take a jab at some one over such matters.


Most of you know that I am rarely this out spoken any more  ( call it lessons well learned ) ..  but I could not believe what I was reading.

Thanks for expressing  ( better than I have ) why some of us still have very strong feelings (even if we disagree on how the game is played) about those who have gone Waaaaaaaaaaaaay   above an beyond the call of duty.


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Dave ....

if ya happen to read this bud ..    there are a few of us who really do appreciate you as a person ....   not just what we can get out of ya sir ...

God bless ... and thanks

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Sethan ...

thanks bud  ..  I hope you are not offended by my jumping in here like this.  I know others of ya spoke well on this matter  ( Stephen being one in particular ) ...   but I needed to quote this due to the particular scope he has presented.


thanks   

[Sethan]

OlBuzzard - I am in no way offended - it is an open thread and forum, and anyone is welcome, so long as they abide by the rules.  Thanks for your comments here.

[OlBuzzard]

Understood.  I was just trying to be cautions of my own statements and conclusions ....   particularly since I started be quoting you.   IMHO ...  by doing so I must also be responsible for the content of my message, the means in which I deliver it, and my conclusion as well.  ( So that it does not misrepresent or take way from your point or position as well.) I guess I've entirely too many flame wars where folk were less than honorable when quoting others.

In short ..  just making sure that we did not unintentionally discredit or abuse your statements as it was also obvious that I was a bit out spoken.  ( I hope this makes sense ).

thanks again !

[Sethan]

Understood.  I was just trying to be cautions of my own statements and conclusions ....   particularly since I started be quoting you.   IMHO ...  by doing so I must also be responsible for the content of my message, the means in which I deliver it, and my conclusion as well.  ( So that it does not misrepresent or take way from your point or position as well.) I guess I've entirely too many flame wars where folk were less than honorable when quoting others.

In short ..  just making sure that we did not unintentionally discredit or abuse your statements as it was also obvious that I was a bit out spoken.  ( I hope this makes sense ).

LOL - I spend a lot of time in the Hot and Spicy Forum.  Being in there pretty much requires a thick skin.  I'm awfully difficult to offend by accident.  You really have to work at it. 

[Reverend]

Well spoken Sethan and OlBuzzard. Thank you Dave for this awesome offer; to have a signed copy would be the equivalent of having a car with Lee Iaccoca's signature on the dashboard!

(Funny that I actually wonder what the miserable trauma hounds will take from my sincere praisings)

[Greenvalv]

Whoa, $152.50!!

[prometheus]

I think everyone should know that David worked on SFCOP for quite some time without any pay from anyone. On his own time and dime...just like Mag did with EAW.

Yeah, Roger That...  This kind of dedication deserves respect...  It takes a special kind of man to put a load of time and effort into a project that isn't returning loadsa greenbacks every week... 

I think the people at taldren have done great...  The Forum is great... 

Funnily enough, I've noticed when you try to do anything, people appear from the woodwork to tell you what you're doing wrong, and it's always the ones who're doing f*ck all themselves...

[Toast]

  ..................

[E_Look]

... nice guy...   

[Corbomite]

The other is, why can't people just be civil, if not nice?  Why must they feel like they have to say something that belittles or hurts someone?  Oh yeah, just expressing himself.  Well then, I wonder where or what the expression comes from.

His incredibly small penis.

[Sssjim]

Whoa, $152.50!!

Wow.... I have an unopened copy of SFC3, too.  And mine was signed by ALL of the Taldren guys (well, not all of them, only 14 signatures on it).  I'll have to move my copy over to my safe!!!!

Jim

[Fedman NCC-3758]

I consider the winning bidder one lucky dude. Especially since I didn't get a chance at the bidding. He'd have had to go over $200.