Topic: My Last Copy of SFC 3 for sale Signed Unopened

[14G_Tiger]

Wow $152 bucks for a broken game, and to think i can get a copy of it at bestbuy for 9 bucks.. hehe

The game is broken??? by whos standards??? I happen to love it.

Also, what best buy has a game that hasnt been burned-to-cd in what....a year??

[[ISC]Phaser]

You can hit me with -karma all ya want not like i care, and yes in the bargin bin at bestbuy i saw a copy of sfc1 Gold edition for $4, 2 copies of eaw for $4 each a copy of op for 4.99 and a copy of sfc3 for $9 and yes its a broken game and always will be.Just cause he signed it doest give it value enough to justify $152 bucks just means he was able to put one over on who ever bought it,its just the way i see it nothing personal.

[Toast]

Well I'm sure whoever paid that much for the game did it for collection purposes no matter opinions positive or negative about the game but damn guy's i know he's a developer all but Ferrell is a guy like most of us that dwell here put's his pant's on like the rest of us one leg at a time L leg R leg and of course Hog Leg heh........................

[Chris Jones]

Phaser - be nice. Sure the game had some bugs. So What. It is part of the SFC Franchise, which has a long tradition of fun for a good many people on this forum. I have made
mods for all the Starfleet Command Games and to be quite honest, the bugs didn't bother me a whole lot as it was all STAR TREK. The point is, there were circumstances surrounding the timing of the release of SFC3, and Dave and crew were tireless in thier efforts to fix stuff that was wrong. Saying its a 'broken game' in the manner you said it just seems wrong, although everyone is entitled to an opinion. I still play SFC3 on occasion, and the mods make it even more fun.

by the way - HI DAVE!

[SkyFlyer]

Hey Dave

Wish you didn't have to give up your last signed copy... But I'm sure it is with a good owner. Wish I had a copy

[14G_Tiger]

And another thing phaser....even if you could come up with reasons why its broken, it is in absolutely no way Dave's, Erik's, or any other person from Taldren's fault.  Activision basically left the game out there to die, with no patch support or anything.  You should applaud Dave Erik and Co. for patching it the best they possibly could with what they had.\

Talk about ungrateful

Tiger

[GDA-S'Cipio]

You can hit me with -karma all ya want not like i care, and yes in the bargin bin at bestbuy i saw a copy of sfc1 Gold edition for $4, 2 copies of eaw for $4 each a copy of op for 4.99 and a copy of sfc3 for $9 and yes its a broken game and always will be.Just cause he signed it doest give it value enough to justify $152 bucks just means he was able to put one over on who ever bought it,its just the way i see it nothing personal.

Broken, not broken, bargain bin.....      Who cares?  It's signed.

Collectors usually are willing to pay more for something if it is signed by the owner, designer, author, actor, or whatever.  How much more they are willing to pay is totally dependant upon how much they want the item for their collection.   I've paid extra for an old classic novel because it was a rare first edition.  I've paid extra for a book because it was signed by the author.  I also paid extra once for an edition of a book I could have bought for less elsewhere, just because, if I bought it then, it would fill the last whole in my Ian Flemming collection and I'd be DONE!.    ;-) 

Obviously this game wasn't worth it to you, so I doubt you bid on it.  But I assure you that whoever paid 152 dollars for it had his reason, and he couldn't care less if he could bought the game for 10 bucks somewhere else.  That copy he bid on had what he wanted.  The level that the price rose to also reflects something else about a collector's item:  it was worth that price to more than one person.  Lots of people want collector's items.  (Otherwise they wouldn't be collectible.)

-S'Cipio

[[ISC]Phaser]

And another thing phaser....even if you could come up with reasons why its broken, it is in absolutely no way Dave's, Erik's, or any other person from Taldren's fault.  Activision basically left the game out there to die, with no patch support or anything.  You should applaud Dave Erik and Co. for patching it the best they possibly could with what they had.\

Talk about ungrateful

Tiger

Yo bro, i never said anything about who's fault it was i just comented on the price he got for it "please take ur panties out of the bunch there in" and in my honest opinion CJ no mod out there can help the games problems.I'm sure ur mods make u happy and thats great but for me it's a broken game, all tho i did find a nice use for the cd it's a perfect drink coaster it sits nicely on my desk 

[E_Look]

Some people never get it.   

[Stormbringer]

And another thing phaser....even if you could come up with reasons why its broken, it is in absolutely no way Dave's, Erik's, or any other person from Taldren's fault.  Activision basically left the game out there to die, with no patch support or anything.  You should applaud Dave Erik and Co. for patching it the best they possibly could with what they had.\

Talk about ungrateful

Tiger

Yo bro, i never said anything about who's fault it was i just comented on the price he got for it "please take ur panties out of the bunch there in" and in my honest opinion CJ no mod out there can help the games problems.I'm sure ur mods make u happy and thats great but for me it's a broken game, all tho i did find a nice use for the cd it's a perfect drink coaster it sits nicely on my desk 

So you are not here because you enjoy the game?

[14G_Tiger]

Correct me anyone if im wrong, but if you call a game "broken" isnt that a hit on the developers who created said "broken" game??

Some people never get it.

[Sethan]

David - good to see you here, even if it is (just?) to auction off a signed copy of SFC3.  Wish I'd seen that while bidding was still active - I always said I'd buy a copy to support what you guys did even though I didn't have an interest in SFC3 per se - but I've only been employed for 2 months after a 3-year hiatus, and didn't have the free cash when it might have mattered.

Phaser - quit acting like an ass.

Articfire's source code copy would be better than nothing, but it's pre the last series of patching that Dave did. No fixed cloak, etc... That's if whatever NDA he agreed to would no longer be binding (expired?)

Rod - if we're going to get the source code, the way in which we do it needs to be legitimate - i.e., from the people who own it, and with their permission.  Getting it under the table from someone who was given it under an NDA does not qualify.

[E_Look]

Correct me anyone if im wrong, but if you call a game "broken" isnt that a hit on the developers who created said "broken" game??

Some people never get it.

That's one thing I was saying.

The other is, why can't people just be civil, if not nice?  Why must they feel like they have to say something that belittles or hurts someone?  Oh yeah, just expressing himself.  Well then, I wonder where or what the expression comes from.

[Rod ONeal]

Articfire's source code copy would be better than nothing, but it's pre the last series of patching that Dave did. No fixed cloak, etc... That's if whatever NDA he agreed to would no longer be binding (expired?)

Rod - if we're going to get the source code, the way in which we do it needs to be legitimate - i.e., from the people who own it, and with their permission.  Getting it under the table from someone who was given it under an NDA does not qualify.

OK. There's a good place to start. Who owns it? Got a name(s)?

P.S. My reason for mentioning the NDA (I have to assume that there was one) was precisely for that reason, Sethan. The fact that it wouldn't be ethical if there was a binding NDA in effect. I really, really doubt that any NDA that Articfire was bound by would be "expired". I have no way of knowing for certain though, and didn't want to imply that I did. If, on the other hand, the assumed NDA did have some sort of clause that would allow for public release at some future date or if Taldren no longer existed, etc..., then it would be perfectly ethical to do so.

[[ISC]Phaser]

David - good to see you here, even if it is (just?) to auction off a signed copy of SFC3.  Wish I'd seen that while bidding was still active - I always said I'd buy a copy to support what you guys did even though I didn't have an interest in SFC3 per se - but I've only been employed for 2 months after a 3-year hiatus, and didn't have the free cash when it might have mattered.
Phaser - quit acting like an ass.

i dont get u people, i commented on something and just because u guys idolize that person does'nt mean i caint speak my mind like i said i didnt blame anyone IN MY OPINION ITS A BROKEN GAME! how much clearer can i make it its my opinion nothing personal, and sethan u can kiss my ass bro!

[Sirgod]

David - good to see you here, even if it is (just?) to auction off a signed copy of SFC3.  Wish I'd seen that while bidding was still active - I always said I'd buy a copy to support what you guys did even though I didn't have an interest in SFC3 per se - but I've only been employed for 2 months after a 3-year hiatus, and didn't have the free cash when it might have mattered.
Phaser - quit acting like an ass.

i dont get u people, i commented on something and just because u guys idolize that person does'nt mean i caint speak my mind like i said i didnt blame anyone IN MY OPINION ITS A BROKEN GAME! how much clearer can i make it its my opinion nothing personal, and sethan u can kiss my ass bro!

You have a Donkey? Seriously Phaser, An opinion does matter, Even a desenting one. However, The way you Present has alot to do with It. Telling one of my Best Friends (Sethan) , to kiss your ass, is a Banable Offence. Not because He's a Mod, or that I am, but because of the Very same rules you agreed to when you signed up on this forum.

OK, know for the emotional responce. Don't you ever, ever , ever, Try to Bring this community down, by attacking David, who Did his best, without Pay mind you, to help Make this game better. You want A piece of David, you have to go through me first. And I gaurentee you, I'm not as nice a Christian as David is. That man Did more for this comunity then most. Besides, If It wasn't for his Contributions, We would not have this Close knit Group as we have now.

It's not only about a game Phaser, It's about Friend ship. No matter how many Fleets we have, How many "Clicks" we have. I strongly suggest that even though you Have a problem here, You retract your statements. Esp. Towards Sethan. I think you have a chance, But If you don't Follow the guide lines, and Continue to put down those who tried to make this game work, after all the Financial difficulties, then there is something Wrong. Personally, I think It's you.

Stephen

[14G_Tiger]

David - good to see you here, even if it is (just?) to auction off a signed copy of SFC3. Wish I'd seen that while bidding was still active - I always said I'd buy a copy to support what you guys did even though I didn't have an interest in SFC3 per se - but I've only been employed for 2 months after a 3-year hiatus, and didn't have the free cash when it might have mattered.
Phaser - quit acting like an ass.

i dont get u people, i commented on something and just because u guys idolize that person does'nt mean i caint speak my mind like i said i didnt blame anyone IN MY OPINION ITS A BROKEN GAME! how much clearer can i make it its my opinion nothing personal, and sethan u can kiss my ass bro!

You have a Donkey? Seriously Phaser, An opinion does matter, Even a desenting one. However, The way you Present has alot to do with It. Telling one of my Best Friends (Sethan) , to kiss your ass, is a Banable Offence. Not because He's a Mod, or that I am, but because of the Very same rules you agreed to when you signed up on this forum.

OK, know for the emotional responce. Don't you ever, ever , ever, Try to Bring this community down, by attacking David, who Did his best, without Pay mind you, to help Make this game better. You want A piece of David, you have to go through me first. And I gaurentee you, I'm not as nice a Christian as David is. That man Did more for this comunity then most. Besides, If It wasn't for his Contributions, We would not have this Close knit Group as we have now.

It's not only about a game Phaser, It's about Friend ship. No matter how many Fleets we have, How many "Clicks" we have. I strongly suggest that even though you Have a problem here, You retract your statements. Esp. Towards Sethan. I think you have a chance, But If you don't Follow the guide lines, and Continue to put down those who tried to make this game work, after all the Financial difficulties, then there is something Wrong. Personally, I think It's you.

Stephen

Here Here!! Very nice stephen.  Couldnt have said it better myself.

Not only would he have to go through you to get to Dave, but 99% of everyone registered on the forums too.(the other 0.9% doesnt know him, the last 0.1% is Phaser )

Tiger

[Sethan]

OK. There's a good place to start. Who owns it? Got a name(s)?

P.S. My reason for mentioning the NDA (I have to assume that there was one) was precisely for that reason, Sethan. The fact that it wouldn't be ethical if there was a binding NDA in effect. I really, really doubt that any NDA that Articfire was bound by would be "expired". I have no way of knowing for certain though, and didn't want to imply that I did. If, on the other hand, the assumed NDA did have some sort of clause that would allow for public release at some future date or if Taldren no longer existed, etc..., then it would be perfectly ethical to do so.

It is probably possible to come up with names - just by looking at who ended up with Tadren's assets when the company went down.  That should be available as a matter of public record if there was a bankruptcy.  The source code is an asset.  Whoever ended up with (legal) control of the source code would be the one (or ones) we would have to go through to get a legitimate copy.

Without seeing the NDA involved, I can't be sure - but I'm betting the legal owner(s) of the source code would consider the NDA to remain in force, and could probably get a court to back them if it became an issue.

That makes it pretty important that we play nice and not try to make an end-run around the legitimate owners.  They are the ones who will make the decision on whether we get the source at all, what restrictions will be on it, and whether we are going to have to pay to get it.  If we come up with a gray market copy and they get wind of it (and they will), they are less likely to want to help us.

[Toast]

So its OK for sethan to tell phaser to quit acting as an azz but its not OK for phaser to tell him to kiss his.................interesting his opinion of sfc3 is what it is alot of folks share the same opinion of it alot of folks were pissed when they bought the friggin thing (FUNNY NO DEMO HUH) And yes 14GTigger(AKA band WAGON RIDER) alot of folks doooooooo hold the developers responsible ESPECIALLY when they said they would give the COMMUNITY the CODE so that at least the games could possibly BE FIXED, i dont care what Mr Ferrell did on his own time for enjoyment to help folks out but i do know he was PAID at one time by us all buying the GAMES ..............................Now lets look at the track record hmmm sfc1 unfinished, eaw HOW MANY PATCHES talk about being beta testers o and dont forget about the EXPANSION OP lol and good ole sfc3 ROFL and last but not least the final nail the holy code...........i dont know bout u folks but i know when i have been over the tank FRANKED...........And yes i know they could have really beefed us by just disappearing and the Dyna side would have really cried foul then...................... Now if u all here at D.NET cannot handle decenting opinions and threaten expulsion from the community even when Ur buddy cussed 1ST go ahead and ban away bud................PS 14G TIGGER why dont u and the other 99% come on over to GSA and the ISC will be happy to go thru U.....................ROFL

[E_Look]

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