Topic: My Last Copy of SFC 3 for sale Signed Unopened (Read 11923 times)

David Ferrell · « **on:** July 25, 2005, 10:09:54 pm »

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5792735006&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

If you are interested.

Thanks,

Dave

Rod ONeal · « **Reply #1 on:** July 25, 2005, 10:47:41 pm »

Hey Dave,
You wouldn't happen to have a copy of the OP source code lying around that you're looking to part with, would you? It doesn't even have to be signed or unopened.

Toast · « **Reply #2 on:** July 25, 2005, 10:53:09 pm »

+ 1 For you Rod

Sirgod · « **Reply #3 on:** July 27, 2005, 12:27:56 pm »

C'mon guys. Dave stuck with us for a very long time. + having an autographed copy is Akin to a merit badge. Let's help the guy out. He did so much for us during the whole series.

Stephen

GarrethMacLeod · « **Reply #4 on:** July 27, 2005, 01:08:24 pm »

Only 10 bids on it so far? C'mon people, open them checkbooks.

David Ferrell · « **Reply #5 on:** July 29, 2005, 06:21:58 am »

Please, I am not a charity.

If you are interested, feel free to bid. If not, that's OK too.

Thanks,

Dave

RazalYllib · « **Reply #6 on:** July 29, 2005, 07:20:23 am »

Dave,

We miss ya.
We know we would not be where we are at now without your dedication to making OP the best it could be, considering the circumstances of its genesis.

Sirgod · « **Reply #7 on:** July 29, 2005, 07:54:01 am »

Quote from: David Ferrell on July 29, 2005, 06:21:58 am

Please, I am not a charity.

If you are interested, feel free to bid. If not, that's OK too.

Thanks,

Dave

It's not that at all Dave. Most of us here, just have a lot of respect for you, that's all. You'er a good man, and I miss talking with you. Besides, I still have a copy of sfc3 that you all signed, and I love It. I just hope someone else will get the same joy, out of the game, and the friendships we have formed over the years.

Stephen

GarrethMacLeod · « **Reply #8 on:** July 29, 2005, 08:47:33 am »

Quote from: Stephen, AKA Sirgodhand Jr. on July 29, 2005, 07:54:01 am

Quote from: David Ferrell on July 29, 2005, 06:21:58 am
Please, I am not a charity.

If you are interested, feel free to bid. If not, that's OK too.

Thanks,

Dave

It's not that at all Dave. Most of us here, just have a lot of respect for you, that's all. You'er a good man, and I miss talking with you. Besides, I still have a copy of sfc3 that you all signed, and I love It. I just hope someone else will get the same joy, out of the game, and the friendships we have formed over the years.

Stephen

Yes, what Stephen said. Didn't mean to imply anything by my statement. I was just a bit shocked by the number of bids. I can remember only a few months back that SFC3 would have many more bids than that on ebay. And those copies weren't signed. This one is. I too enjoy my signed copy although it is not yet in a frame of any kind. I keep it in the box you shipped it in and take it out every once in a while to look at it. (The box is the only way to protect it from the dog at the moment, lol).

Toast · « **Reply #9 on:** July 31, 2005, 04:31:22 am »

hmm Lets see 2 copies of sfc1,1 of academy (which started it for me) 2 of eaw 3 of op an 1 of sfc3 i dunno................. and yes im sure dave is a very nice guy. but this code thing man..............

David Ferrell · « **Reply #10 on:** August 01, 2005, 07:26:02 pm »

Well, I guess you don't have to worry about me, because I no longer
have any SFC code. You'll have to blame another source for your problems.

Thanks,

Dave

Bonk · « **Reply #11 on:** August 01, 2005, 09:05:41 pm »

I cannot speak for Rod, but as I see it:

It was a joke... (though perhaps not [ISC]Toast's mentioning it again...)

It is not a problem that we do not have the client source, we never did have it. (Certainly no blame need be placed...) It is a challenge to get the scattered concerned parties together and show them that we are worthy of their trust enough that we can carry the torch of OP, to carry on the fine work that you helped contribute to.

Not a problem, a challenge.

Rod ONeal · « **Reply #12 on:** August 02, 2005, 06:30:51 pm »

Yes, it was a joke. I hope that you didn't take it any other way, Dave. I appreciate everything that you have already done for us.

KBF-Crim · « **Reply #13 on:** August 02, 2005, 09:53:33 pm »

Quote from: David Ferrell on August 01, 2005, 07:26:02 pm

Well, I guess you don't have to worry about me, because I no longer
have any SFC code. You'll have to blame another source for your problems.

Thanks,

Dave

Hmmm...got Arcticfire's last known address?

RazalYllib · « **Reply #14 on:** August 03, 2005, 06:33:32 pm »

One of my very good friends is a private dectective...with a little bit of a stepping off point, it might be possible. I have seen him pull rabbits out of the hat. It is simpley mindboggling what datamining lots of sources can turn up.

Rod ONeal · « **Reply #15 on:** August 03, 2005, 07:56:37 pm »

Articfire's source code copy would be better than nothing, but it's pre the last series of patching that Dave did. No fixed cloak, etc... That's if whatever NDA he agreed to would no longer be binding (expired?)

Toast · « **Reply #16 on:** August 03, 2005, 10:57:48 pm »

WOW 152.50 not to shabby............ anyways yo folks i do not mean to offend i am new to this side of the sfc experience and like many here i am also eager to see continued support for the game as well as for the community.....if i come off as an azz i do apologise as i have ill will towards no one most who have taken the time to come to know me call me a friend after all it's just a game folks, I'm a transitional player GSA-gz to here so out of the loop i am i guess as I'm not aware of all that Dave has done for us all...........I do know that their are more parties involved with this game than i have fingers and toes and not 1 person is to blame for things, and as i explore the entire sfc community from mods to models to scripts an servers an ladder competition for folks i am amazed by the pure talent i see as i have none in that department just an opinion an a little kid dream of what coulda or can be...........To me the code is useless as I'm not a programmer I'm a semi-driver HONK HONK lol...........but i believe talent in the community could really do a amazing number on the game I'm just hoping u all get the chance but if not hey it was a ride.........................again best wishes

_Rondo_GE The OutLaw · « **Reply #17 on:** August 04, 2005, 03:59:13 pm »

Quote from: David Ferrell on August 01, 2005, 07:26:02 pm

Well, I guess you don't have to worry about me, because I no longer
have any SFC code. You'll have to blame another source for your problems.

Thanks,

Dave

I think we were not looking to "blame" but to "deal".

But I'm sorry to here you don't have it.

[ISC]Phaser · « **Reply #18 on:** August 04, 2005, 10:11:00 pm »

Wow $152 bucks for a broken game, and to think i can get a copy of it at bestbuy for 9 bucks.. hehe

E_Look · « **Reply #19 on:** August 04, 2005, 11:22:40 pm »

That is unkind, unfair, and not totally accurate, Phaser.

-1 for that. 104 posts, -21. Think about it, not that I think you care, especially for others' feelings...

... There are lots of us who do realize that for our $40 or $50, we had lots of enjoyment out of the game, and Mr. Ferrell was a chief contributor to it. If I could afford to, I would have entered a bid. I think it would be a kick to own a copy signed by the makers.

14G_Tiger · « **Reply #20 on:** August 05, 2005, 11:45:36 am »

Quote from: [ISC]Phaser on August 04, 2005, 10:11:00 pm

Wow $152 bucks for a broken game, and to think i can get a copy of it at bestbuy for 9 bucks.. hehe

The game is broken??? by whos standards??? I happen to love it.

Also, what best buy has a game that hasnt been burned-to-cd in what....a year??

[ISC]Phaser · « **Reply #21 on:** August 05, 2005, 06:17:44 pm »

You can hit me with -karma all ya want not like i care, and yes in the bargin bin at bestbuy i saw a copy of sfc1 Gold edition for $4, 2 copies of eaw for $4 each a copy of op for 4.99 and a copy of sfc3 for $9 and yes its a broken game and always will be.Just cause he signed it doest give it value enough to justify $152 bucks just means he was able to put one over on who ever bought it,its just the way i see it nothing personal.

Toast · « **Reply #22 on:** August 05, 2005, 06:45:15 pm »

Well I'm sure whoever paid that much for the game did it for collection purposes no matter opinions positive or negative about the game but damn guy's i know he's a developer all but Ferrell is a guy like most of us that dwell here put's his pant's on like the rest of us one leg at a time L leg R leg and of course Hog Leg heh........................

Chris Jones · « **Reply #23 on:** August 07, 2005, 11:37:50 am »

Phaser - be nice. Sure the game had some bugs. So What. It is part of the SFC Franchise, which has a long tradition of fun for a good many people on this forum. I have made
mods for all the Starfleet Command Games and to be quite honest, the bugs didn't bother me a whole lot as it was all STAR TREK. The point is, there were circumstances surrounding the timing of the release of SFC3, and Dave and crew were tireless in thier efforts to fix stuff that was wrong. Saying its a 'broken game' in the manner you said it just seems wrong, although everyone is entitled to an opinion. I still play SFC3 on occasion, and the mods make it even more fun.

by the way - HI DAVE!

SkyFlyer · « **Reply #24 on:** August 08, 2005, 05:55:32 am »

Hey Dave

Wish you didn't have to give up your last signed copy... But I'm sure it is with a good owner. Wish I had a copy

14G_Tiger · « **Reply #25 on:** August 08, 2005, 12:41:08 pm »

And another thing phaser....even if you could come up with reasons why its broken, it is in absolutely no way Dave's, Erik's, or any other person from Taldren's fault. Activision basically left the game out there to die, with no patch support or anything. You should applaud Dave Erik and Co. for patching it the best they possibly could with what they had.\

Talk about ungrateful

Tiger

GDA-S'Cipio · « **Reply #26 on:** August 08, 2005, 05:20:30 pm »

Quote from: [ISC]Phaser on August 05, 2005, 06:17:44 pm

You can hit me with -karma all ya want not like i care, and yes in the bargin bin at bestbuy i saw a copy of sfc1 Gold edition for $4, 2 copies of eaw for $4 each a copy of op for 4.99 and a copy of sfc3 for $9 and yes its a broken game and always will be.Just cause he signed it doest give it value enough to justify $152 bucks just means he was able to put one over on who ever bought it,its just the way i see it nothing personal.

Broken, not broken, bargain bin..... Who cares? It's signed.

Collectors usually are willing to pay more for something if it is signed by the owner, designer, author, actor, or whatever. How much more they are willing to pay is totally dependant upon how much they want the item for their collection. I've paid extra for an old classic novel because it was a rare first edition. I've paid extra for a book because it was signed by the author. I also paid extra once for an edition of a book I could have bought for less elsewhere, just because, if I bought it then, it would fill the last whole in my Ian Flemming collection and I'd be DONE!. ;-)

Obviously this game wasn't worth it to you, so I doubt you bid on it. But I assure you that whoever paid 152 dollars for it had his reason, and he couldn't care less if he could bought the game for 10 bucks somewhere else. That copy he bid on had what he wanted. The level that the price rose to also reflects something else about a collector's item: it was worth that price to more than one person. Lots of people want collector's items. (Otherwise they wouldn't be collectible.)

-S'Cipio

[ISC]Phaser · « **Reply #27 on:** August 08, 2005, 06:27:39 pm »

Quote from: 14G_Tiger on August 08, 2005, 12:41:08 pm

And another thing phaser....even if you could come up with reasons why its broken, it is in absolutely no way Dave's, Erik's, or any other person from Taldren's fault. Activision basically left the game out there to die, with no patch support or anything. You should applaud Dave Erik and Co. for patching it the best they possibly could with what they had.\

Talk about ungrateful

Tiger

Yo bro, i never said anything about who's fault it was i just comented on the price he got for it "please take ur panties out of the bunch there in" and in my honest opinion CJ no mod out there can help the games problems.I'm sure ur mods make u happy and thats great but for me it's a broken game, all tho i did find a nice use for the cd it's a perfect drink coaster it sits nicely on my desk

E_Look · « **Reply #28 on:** August 08, 2005, 08:29:17 pm »

Some people never get it.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #29 on:** August 08, 2005, 08:44:44 pm »

Quote from: [ISC]Phaser on August 08, 2005, 06:27:39 pm

Quote from: 14G_Tiger on August 08, 2005, 12:41:08 pm
And another thing phaser....even if you could come up with reasons why its broken, it is in absolutely no way Dave's, Erik's, or any other person from Taldren's fault. Activision basically left the game out there to die, with no patch support or anything. You should applaud Dave Erik and Co. for patching it the best they possibly could with what they had.\

Talk about ungrateful

Tiger

Yo bro, i never said anything about who's fault it was i just comented on the price he got for it "please take ur panties out of the bunch there in" and in my honest opinion CJ no mod out there can help the games problems.I'm sure ur mods make u happy and thats great but for me it's a broken game, all tho i did find a nice use for the cd it's a perfect drink coaster it sits nicely on my desk

So you are not here because you enjoy the game?

14G_Tiger · « **Reply #30 on:** August 08, 2005, 09:24:11 pm »

Correct me anyone if im wrong, but if you call a game "broken" isnt that a hit on the developers who created said "broken" game??

Quote from: E_Look on August 08, 2005, 08:29:17 pm

Some people never get it.

Sethan · « **Reply #31 on:** August 08, 2005, 10:22:55 pm »

David - good to see you here, even if it is (just?) to auction off a signed copy of SFC3. Wish I'd seen that while bidding was still active - I always said I'd buy a copy to support what you guys did even though I didn't have an interest in SFC3 per se - but I've only been employed for 2 months after a 3-year hiatus, and didn't have the free cash when it might have mattered.

Phaser - quit acting like an ass.

Quote from: Rod ONeal on August 03, 2005, 07:56:37 pm

Articfire's source code copy would be better than nothing, but it's pre the last series of patching that Dave did. No fixed cloak, etc... That's if whatever NDA he agreed to would no longer be binding (expired?)

Rod - if we're going to get the source code, the way in which we do it needs to be legitimate - i.e., from the people who own it, and with their permission. Getting it under the table from someone who was given it under an NDA does not qualify.

E_Look · « **Reply #32 on:** August 08, 2005, 11:51:39 pm »

Quote from: 14G_Tiger on August 08, 2005, 09:24:11 pm

Correct me anyone if im wrong, but if you call a game "broken" isnt that a hit on the developers who created said "broken" game??

Quote from: E_Look on August 08, 2005, 08:29:17 pm
Some people never get it.

That's one thing I was saying.

The other is, why can't people just be civil, if not nice? Why must they feel like they have to say something that belittles or hurts someone? Oh yeah, just expressing himself. Well then, I wonder where or what the expression comes from.

Rod ONeal · « **Reply #33 on:** August 09, 2005, 12:26:49 am »

Quote from: Sethan on August 08, 2005, 10:22:55 pm

Quote from: Rod ONeal on August 03, 2005, 07:56:37 pm
Articfire's source code copy would be better than nothing, but it's pre the last series of patching that Dave did. No fixed cloak, etc... That's if whatever NDA he agreed to would no longer be binding (expired?)

Rod - if we're going to get the source code, the way in which we do it needs to be legitimate - i.e., from the people who own it, and with their permission. Getting it under the table from someone who was given it under an NDA does not qualify.

OK. There's a good place to start. Who owns it? Got a name(s)?

P.S. My reason for mentioning the NDA (I have to assume that there was one) was precisely for that reason, Sethan. The fact that it wouldn't be ethical if there was a binding NDA in effect. I really, really doubt that any NDA that Articfire was bound by would be "expired". I have no way of knowing for certain though, and didn't want to imply that I did. If, on the other hand, the assumed NDA did have some sort of clause that would allow for public release at some future date or if Taldren no longer existed, etc..., then it would be perfectly ethical to do so.

[ISC]Phaser · « **Reply #34 on:** August 09, 2005, 11:02:39 am »

Quote from: Sethan on August 08, 2005, 10:22:55 pm

David - good to see you here, even if it is (just?) to auction off a signed copy of SFC3. Wish I'd seen that while bidding was still active - I always said I'd buy a copy to support what you guys did even though I didn't have an interest in SFC3 per se - but I've only been employed for 2 months after a 3-year hiatus, and didn't have the free cash when it might have mattered.
Phaser - quit acting like an ass.

i dont get u people, i commented on something and just because u guys idolize that person does'nt mean i caint speak my mind like i said i didnt blame anyone IN MY OPINION ITS A BROKEN GAME! how much clearer can i make it its my opinion nothing personal, and sethan u can kiss my ass bro!

Sirgod · « **Reply #35 on:** August 09, 2005, 11:46:25 am »

Quote from: [ISC]Phaser on August 09, 2005, 11:02:39 am

Quote from: Sethan on August 08, 2005, 10:22:55 pm
David - good to see you here, even if it is (just?) to auction off a signed copy of SFC3. Wish I'd seen that while bidding was still active - I always said I'd buy a copy to support what you guys did even though I didn't have an interest in SFC3 per se - but I've only been employed for 2 months after a 3-year hiatus, and didn't have the free cash when it might have mattered.
Phaser - quit acting like an ass.

i dont get u people, i commented on something and just because u guys idolize that person does'nt mean i caint speak my mind like i said i didnt blame anyone IN MY OPINION ITS A BROKEN GAME! how much clearer can i make it its my opinion nothing personal, and sethan u can kiss my ass bro!

You have a Donkey? Seriously Phaser, An opinion does matter, Even a desenting one. However, The way you Present has alot to do with It. Telling one of my Best Friends (Sethan) , to kiss your ass, is a Banable Offence. Not because He's a Mod, or that I am, but because of the Very same rules you agreed to when you signed up on this forum.

OK, know for the emotional responce. Don't you ever, ever , ever, Try to Bring this community down, by attacking David, who Did his best, without Pay mind you, to help Make this game better. You want A piece of David, you have to go through me first. And I gaurentee you, I'm not as nice a Christian as David is. That man Did more for this comunity then most. Besides, If It wasn't for his Contributions, We would not have this Close knit Group as we have now.

It's not only about a game Phaser, It's about Friend ship. No matter how many Fleets we have, How many "Clicks" we have. I strongly suggest that even though you Have a problem here, You retract your statements. Esp. Towards Sethan. I think you have a chance, But If you don't Follow the guide lines, and Continue to put down those who tried to make this game work, after all the Financial difficulties, then there is something Wrong. Personally, I think It's you.

Stephen

14G_Tiger · « **Reply #36 on:** August 09, 2005, 12:10:08 pm »

Quote from: Stephen, AKA Sirgodhand Jr. on August 09, 2005, 11:46:25 am

Quote from: [ISC]Phaser on August 09, 2005, 11:02:39 am
Quote from: Sethan on August 08, 2005, 10:22:55 pm
David - good to see you here, even if it is (just?) to auction off a signed copy of SFC3. Wish I'd seen that while bidding was still active - I always said I'd buy a copy to support what you guys did even though I didn't have an interest in SFC3 per se - but I've only been employed for 2 months after a 3-year hiatus, and didn't have the free cash when it might have mattered.
Phaser - quit acting like an ass.

i dont get u people, i commented on something and just because u guys idolize that person does'nt mean i caint speak my mind like i said i didnt blame anyone IN MY OPINION ITS A BROKEN GAME! how much clearer can i make it its my opinion nothing personal, and sethan u can kiss my ass bro!

You have a Donkey? Seriously Phaser, An opinion does matter, Even a desenting one. However, The way you Present has alot to do with It. Telling one of my Best Friends (Sethan) , to kiss your ass, is a Banable Offence. Not because He's a Mod, or that I am, but because of the Very same rules you agreed to when you signed up on this forum.

OK, know for the emotional responce. Don't you ever, ever , ever, Try to Bring this community down, by attacking David, who Did his best, without Pay mind you, to help Make this game better. You want A piece of David, you have to go through me first. And I gaurentee you, I'm not as nice a Christian as David is. That man Did more for this comunity then most. Besides, If It wasn't for his Contributions, We would not have this Close knit Group as we have now.

It's not only about a game Phaser, It's about Friend ship. No matter how many Fleets we have, How many "Clicks" we have. I strongly suggest that even though you Have a problem here, You retract your statements. Esp. Towards Sethan. I think you have a chance, But If you don't Follow the guide lines, and Continue to put down those who tried to make this game work, after all the Financial difficulties, then there is something Wrong. Personally, I think It's you.

Stephen

Here Here!! Very nice stephen. Couldnt have said it better myself.

Not only would he have to go through you to get to Dave, but 99% of everyone registered on the forums too.(the other 0.9% doesnt know him, the last 0.1% is Phaser

)

Tiger

Sethan · « **Reply #37 on:** August 09, 2005, 12:34:04 pm »

Quote from: Rod ONeal on August 09, 2005, 12:26:49 am

OK. There's a good place to start. Who owns it? Got a name(s)?

P.S. My reason for mentioning the NDA (I have to assume that there was one) was precisely for that reason, Sethan. The fact that it wouldn't be ethical if there was a binding NDA in effect. I really, really doubt that any NDA that Articfire was bound by would be "expired". I have no way of knowing for certain though, and didn't want to imply that I did. If, on the other hand, the assumed NDA did have some sort of clause that would allow for public release at some future date or if Taldren no longer existed, etc..., then it would be perfectly ethical to do so.

It is probably possible to come up with names - just by looking at who ended up with Tadren's assets when the company went down. That should be available as a matter of public record if there was a bankruptcy. The source code is an asset. Whoever ended up with (legal) control of the source code would be the one (or ones) we would have to go through to get a legitimate copy.

Without seeing the NDA involved, I can't be sure - but I'm betting the legal owner(s) of the source code would consider the NDA to remain in force, and could probably get a court to back them if it became an issue.

That makes it pretty important that we play nice and not try to make an end-run around the legitimate owners. They are the ones who will make the decision on whether we get the source at all, what restrictions will be on it, and whether we are going to have to pay to get it. If we come up with a gray market copy and they get wind of it (and they will), they are less likely to want to help us.

Toast · « **Reply #38 on:** August 09, 2005, 06:20:09 pm »

So its OK for sethan to tell phaser to quit acting as an azz but its not OK for phaser to tell him to kiss his.................interesting his opinion of sfc3 is what it is alot of folks share the same opinion of it alot of folks were pissed when they bought the friggin thing (FUNNY NO DEMO HUH) And yes 14GTigger(AKA band WAGON RIDER) alot of folks doooooooo hold the developers responsible ESPECIALLY when they said they would give the COMMUNITY the CODE so that at least the games could possibly BE FIXED, i dont care what Mr Ferrell did on his own time for enjoyment to help folks out but i do know he was PAID at one time by us all buying the GAMES ..............................Now lets look at the track record hmmm sfc1 unfinished, eaw HOW MANY PATCHES talk about being beta testers o and dont forget about the EXPANSION OP lol and good ole sfc3 ROFL and last but not least the final nail the holy code...........i dont know bout u folks but i know when i have been over the tank FRANKED...........And yes i know they could have really beefed us by just disappearing and the Dyna side would have really cried foul then...................... Now if u all here at D.NET cannot handle decenting opinions and threaten expulsion from the community even when Ur buddy cussed 1ST go ahead and ban away bud................PS 14G TIGGER why dont u and the other 99% come on over to GSA and the ISC will be happy to go thru U.....................ROFL

E_Look · « **Reply #39 on:** August 09, 2005, 06:28:40 pm »

... dissenting...

Sethan · « **Reply #40 on:** August 09, 2005, 06:47:16 pm »

Toast - what it comes down to is this:

Taldren was never under any contractural obligation to support any version of SFC.

Under the contracts between Taldren and the publishers, that was the responsibility of the publisher - and not one of the publishers of any version of SFC ever supported it.

WE are technically not Taldren's customers - we are Interplay and Activision's customers.

Taldren took it upon themselves to create a forum and method for the end users of the games they developed to get support, since the publishers were not providing support.

Taldren was never paid for this.

I used to work in the game software industry.

I don't know how familiar you are with the game software industry - but the publisher is the one with the money, and they determine to a large extent what features the game will have. They tell the developer what they want - and the developer tells them how long it will take to do that. Then the publisher tells them they have 75% (or 50%) of that time - but that the developer is not allowed to cut any features. The publisher then coughs up a monthly stipend for development costs until they decide it is done.

For at least one of the SFC series, Taldren pushed for an extension on the release date, and continued to develop the game after the publisher stopped paying them.

Individual Taldren programmers also continued working on patches for years after they stopped getting any money for doing so.

IF a game is a big hit, the developer may see some royalties - usually, the publisher gets all of that.

If you want to complain about the state of SFC3, talk to Activision - who refused to allow Taldren to release patches for it because they have a "one patch" policy.

The folks at Taldren went above and beyond to get you the best game they could.

So - the people you want to slam because you got a "broken game" went above and beyond what was required of them or was reasonable for them to do. The publishers not only were not paying for development - they weren't paying for the patches, and in at least one case, they actively prevented Taldren from releasing patches that Taldren worked on for free.

As to David in particular, if memory serves, he was owed a considerable sum by Taldren when all was said and done - money which the company simply didn't have.

He didn't make huge sums off SFC, and neither did anyone else at Taldren. If you want to find out where the money went, talk to the various publishers.

That's why old-timers here get upset when those who don't know how things went down, slam Taldren.

Toast · « **Reply #41 on:** August 09, 2005, 06:48:36 pm »

OOPPS srry E_look ill try better btw bro from an earlier post most of the neg karma around us has been from the league stuff were really not that bad...............

Stormbringer · « **Reply #42 on:** August 09, 2005, 07:31:22 pm »

In case you wonder; dissent does not have to be accompanied by implicit and overt disrespect. Phaser went out of his way to be rude insulting and obnoxious to Dave, and to Sethan who happens to be a moderator. try calling a moderator an ass at any other forum and see how long you are a forum member. there will be no more of this or the offender will be actioned.

toasty0 · « **Reply #43 on:** August 09, 2005, 08:16:22 pm »

I think everyone should know that David worked on SFCOP for quite some time without any pay from anyone. On his own time and dime...just like Mag did with EAW.

E_Look · « **Reply #44 on:** August 09, 2005, 08:29:36 pm »

Now, now, all the burnt bread boys, chill; you smokin' up the joint.

ISC_Toast, I hear you. I don't think you're so bad, either. But we all have our private thoughts and beliefs about other people and when they are not so complimentary, and there's no gain for anyone to say it, keep it, as we old folks say, "under your hat". And I'd just like you, ISC_phaser, and other folks to realize really how cool Dynaverse and the SFCs are, especially compared to other sites, partly because of the legacy of fine gentlemen like David Ferrell and a few others. They kicked in when they could have left everybody high and dry... I mean, hey, we're all still here, goin' strong and a big part of that foundation was laid by folks like that who contributed, sacrificed, and just plain did the right thing.

And, you'll see that we don't really care to go around and flame people. But as you can see by the "turnout" that we do care about doing the right thing. And, if phaser is still reading, I (and I strongly believe, we) don't have anything against him; if he was just being honest, so were the rest of us!

+1 for your openness and fairness.

secretly transmitted discretions::toasty0- you're just an old crust , but we love you nonetheless.

toasty0 · « **Reply #45 on:** August 09, 2005, 10:55:13 pm »

Maybe I was being toooo honest. For that I apologize.

Now where did I put that pain stick for ISC[toast]. I hear frogs make a great delicacy.

KBF-Crim · « **Reply #46 on:** August 09, 2005, 11:32:48 pm »

It wasnt the game worth 150 bucks....it was the signature.

OlBuzzard · « **Reply #47 on:** August 18, 2005, 12:54:37 pm »

Quote from: Sethan on August 09, 2005, 06:47:16 pm

Toast - what it comes down to is this:

Taldren was never under any contractural obligation to support any version of SFC.

Under the contracts between Taldren and the publishers, that was the responsibility of the publisher - and not one of the publishers of any version of SFC ever supported it.

WE are technically not Taldren's customers - we are Interplay and Activision's customers.

Taldren took it upon themselves to create a forum and method for the end users of the games they developed to get support, since the publishers were not providing support.

Taldren was never paid for this.

I used to work in the game software industry.

I don't know how familiar you are with the game software industry - but the publisher is the one with the money, and they determine to a large extent what features the game will have. They tell the developer what they want - and the developer tells them how long it will take to do that. Then the publisher tells them they have 75% (or 50%) of that time - but that the developer is not allowed to cut any features. The publisher then coughs up a monthly stipend for development costs until they decide it is done.

For at least one of the SFC series, Taldren pushed for an extension on the release date, and continued to develop the game after the publisher stopped paying them.

Individual Taldren programmers also continued working on patches for years after they stopped getting any money for doing so.

IF a game is a big hit, the developer may see some royalties - usually, the publisher gets all of that.

If you want to complain about the state of SFC3, talk to Activision - who refused to allow Taldren to release patches for it because they have a "one patch" policy.

The folks at Taldren went above and beyond to get you the best game they could.

So - the people you want to slam because you got a "broken game" went above and beyond what was required of them or was reasonable for them to do. The publishers not only were not paying for development - they weren't paying for the patches, and in at least one case, they actively prevented Taldren from releasing patches that Taldren worked on for free.

As to David in particular, if memory serves, he was owed a considerable sum by Taldren when all was said and done - money which the company simply didn't have.

He didn't make huge sums off SFC, and neither did anyone else at Taldren. If you want to find out where the money went, talk to the various publishers.

That's why old-timers here get upset when those who don't know how things went down, slam Taldren.

Hey bud ...

While it's true our paths very seldom cross .. I want to thank you personally for tell exactly how many of us feel. Though I do not personally care for how (or what) SFC-OP has evolved into .. it really gets under my skin to see folk bad mouth those who dedicate so much time as they have ( and continue in many cases) .. to improve upon, and or try new things to help support the SFC community.

It never ceases to amaze me how people can stoop to the level that has been achieved ( in some cases IMHO it reaches a new low each time) in order to prove their point, or to take a jab at some one over such matters.

Most of you know that I am rarely this out spoken any more ( call it lessons well learned ) .. but I could not believe what I was reading.

Thanks for expressing ( better than I have ) why some of us still have very strong feelings (even if we disagree on how the game is played) about those who have gone Waaaaaaaaaaaaay above an beyond the call of duty.

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Dave ....

if ya happen to read this bud .. there are a few of us who really do appreciate you as a person .... not just what we can get out of ya sir ...

God bless ... and thanks

--------------

Sethan ...

thanks bud .. I hope you are not offended by my jumping in here like this. I know others of ya spoke well on this matter ( Stephen being one in particular ) ... but I needed to quote this due to the particular scope he has presented.

thanks

Sethan · « **Reply #48 on:** August 18, 2005, 11:03:00 pm »

OlBuzzard - I am in no way offended - it is an open thread and forum, and anyone is welcome, so long as they abide by the rules. Thanks for your comments here.

OlBuzzard · « **Reply #49 on:** August 19, 2005, 07:35:07 am »

Understood. I was just trying to be cautions of my own statements and conclusions .... particularly since I started be quoting you. IMHO ... by doing so I must also be responsible for the content of my message, the means in which I deliver it, and my conclusion as well. ( So that it does not misrepresent or take way from your point or position as well.) I guess I've entirely too many flame wars where folk were less than honorable when quoting others.

In short .. just making sure that we did not unintentionally discredit or abuse your statements as it was also obvious that I was a bit out spoken. ( I hope this makes sense ).

thanks again !

Sethan · « **Reply #50 on:** August 21, 2005, 04:34:57 am »

Quote from: OlBuzzard on August 19, 2005, 07:35:07 am

Understood. I was just trying to be cautions of my own statements and conclusions .... particularly since I started be quoting you. IMHO ... by doing so I must also be responsible for the content of my message, the means in which I deliver it, and my conclusion as well. ( So that it does not misrepresent or take way from your point or position as well.) I guess I've entirely too many flame wars where folk were less than honorable when quoting others.

In short .. just making sure that we did not unintentionally discredit or abuse your statements as it was also obvious that I was a bit out spoken. ( I hope this makes sense ).

LOL - I spend a lot of time in the Hot and Spicy Forum. Being in there pretty much requires a thick skin. I'm awfully difficult to offend by accident. You really have to work at it.

Reverend · « **Reply #51 on:** August 21, 2005, 03:28:17 pm »

Well spoken Sethan and OlBuzzard. Thank you Dave for this awesome offer; to have a signed copy would be the equivalent of having a car with Lee Iaccoca's signature on the dashboard!

(Funny that I actually wonder what the miserable trauma hounds will take from my sincere praisings)

Greenvalv · « **Reply #52 on:** August 23, 2005, 04:01:22 pm »

Whoa, $152.50!!

prometheus · « **Reply #53 on:** August 26, 2005, 05:57:58 pm »

Quote from: std::toasty0 on August 09, 2005, 08:16:22 pm

I think everyone should know that David worked on SFCOP for quite some time without any pay from anyone. On his own time and dime...just like Mag did with EAW.

Yeah, Roger That... This kind of dedication deserves respect... It takes a special kind of man to put a load of time and effort into a project that isn't returning loadsa greenbacks every week...

I think the people at taldren have done great... The Forum is great...

Funnily enough, I've noticed when you try to do anything, people appear from the woodwork to tell you what you're doing wrong, and it's always the ones who're doing f*ck all themselves...

Toast · « **Reply #54 on:** August 27, 2005, 08:21:04 am »

..................

E_Look · « **Reply #55 on:** August 27, 2005, 03:43:27 pm »

... nice guy...

Corbomite · « **Reply #56 on:** September 04, 2005, 10:17:41 am »

Quote from: E_Look NCC-9091 on August 08, 2005, 11:51:39 pm

The other is, why can't people just be civil, if not nice? Why must they feel like they have to say something that belittles or hurts someone? Oh yeah, just expressing himself. Well then, I wonder where or what the expression comes from.

His incredibly small penis.

Sssjim · « **Reply #57 on:** September 22, 2005, 06:56:23 pm »

Quote from: G®33N<@L> on August 23, 2005, 04:01:22 pm

Whoa, $152.50!!

Wow.... I have an unopened copy of SFC3, too. And mine was signed by ALL of the Taldren guys (well, not all of them, only 14 signatures on it). I'll have to move my copy over to my safe!!!!

Jim

Fedman NCC-3758 · « **Reply #58 on:** November 10, 2005, 08:33:50 pm »

I consider the winning bidder one lucky dude. Especially since I didn't get a chance at the bidding. He'd have had to go over $200.

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