Topic: Enemy ships as AI ally bug it AOTK2

[CaptJosh]

I was attacking a Klink hex and got two Patrol Cs and a Patrol B where it gave me Klink AI allies. The problem with this is that I was two hexes away from the nearest allied base. So I should have been getting allied ships as AI allies.

[KAT J'inn]

This happens in multi-sided servers.   Consider it a Klingon force that hated Feds more than Kitties.

So it's not a bug.  It's a finely crafted feature brought to you by those loving folks at the AoTK II Admin team.

[CaptJosh]

Perhaps I didn't make this clear. I was attacking a KLINGON hex, against KLINGON ships, with KLINGON AI as allies. Soreyes got the same thing. However, CrazyCat, flying ISC, got Kzin AI allies. This is not a feature.

[FPF-DieHard]

Perhaps I didn't make this clear. I was attacking a KLINGON hex, against KLINGON ships, with KLINGON AI as allies. Soreyes got the same thing. However, CrazyCat, flying ISC, got Kzin AI allies. This is not a feature.

Yes it is a Feature, like the "Hexx" feature . . .  <Snicker>

[GDA-S'Cipio]

Perhaps I didn't make this clear. I was attacking a KLINGON hex, against KLINGON ships, with KLINGON AI as allies. Soreyes got the same thing. However, CrazyCat, flying ISC, got Kzin AI allies. This is not a feature.

You were clear.  This happens sometimes in three-sides servers.  A lot of  of the game's logic assumes there will only be two sides and it gets confused when it suddenly finds itself facing three.  If examines its matrix and gives you an ally that hates someone else you hate, it assumes it has done its job.  Even in a stupid case like this.  I am certain J'inn issued a warning somewhere that this might happen from time to time, but I must admit I can't find it with a quick search.

Solution:  Fly ISC or Lyran for a while when attacking that hex, until the territory around it changes enough that the Kzinti start getting real allies there.  And rest easy.  It will likely happen to everyone eventually.

-S'Cipio

[el-Karnak]

Perhaps I didn't make this clear. I was attacking a KLINGON hex, against KLINGON ships, with KLINGON AI as allies. Soreyes got the same thing. However, CrazyCat, flying ISC, got Kzin AI allies. This is not a feature.

The only alternative for the admins would be to use total war variant missions. In this mission pack, there are no allied AI in any mission.

[FPF-DieHard]

I'm curioes as to what will happen when all 3 sides attck the same hex at the same time . . .

[FPF-SCM_TraceyG_XC]

I can tell you what will happen. Player A (Empire 1) drafts Player B (Empire 2) and Player C (Empire 3). The game will see that Player B and C are enemies to Player A and place them in enemy team slots against Player A. The script then allies Player B and C in the mission. Currently the API can only distinguish between enemies and allies of the host player and not between drafted players. The only way to get a script to actually make the mission truly 3-sided is to hardcode the races into the script itself. Doing so, however, would only make those scripts useful for those particular political settings used on that server.

[KBFLordKrueg]

I'm curioes as to what will happen when all 3 sides attck the same hex at the same time . . .

Tried this on the test server, it always comes out with 2 sides allied and 1 side as enemies...

[GDA-S'Cipio]

I can tell you what will happen. Player A (Empire 1) drafts Player B (Empire 2) and Player C (Empire 3). The game will see that Player B and C are enemies to Player A and place them in enemy team slots against Player A.

Note to self:  When in a busy hex with all three factions, always get drafted.  Never draft!  (And bring friends to play rock with me.)

-S'Cipio

[GDA-Agave]

Note to self:  When in a busy hex with all three factions, always get drafted.  Never draft!  (And bring friends to play rock with me.)

-S'Cipio

Friends like that I don't need.   Hell, I was nervous enough when I was doing a planet assault with DieHard, and he's on MY TEAM!!  I can only imagine the "friendly comadrie" you might receive in mission like that.   

[KAT J'inn]

ANNOUNCEMENT:


The AoTK II Admin team has discovered a way to include rogue factions and tactical diplomacy in game!!   YES YOU HEARD THAT RIGHT!!   IN GAME!!!   OH BOY OH BOY!!!.   

Yup the richness and depth of D2 just doubled.  Hell, tripled.    You may get rouge enemies helping you.  Small scale civil wars.  Traitors.  Whatever.

Yes just another wonderful feature from those folks at AoTK II Admin HQ.    Where Servers With Love is our motto.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Enemies as Allies in ion storms and asteroid fields.........ahh the possibilities are intriging 

[GDA-S'Cipio]

ANNOUNCMENT:


The AoTK II Admin team has discovered a way to include rouge factions and tactical diplomacy in game!!   YES YOU HEARD THAT RIGHT!!   IN GAME!!!   OH BOY OH BOY!!!.   

Have you informed Mabeline and Max Factor?  (I assume Kroma already knows.)

-S'Cipio

[KAT J'inn]

Grrr.    Pesky Gorn.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

ANNOUNCMENT:


The AoTK II Admin team has discovered a way to include rouge factions and tactical diplomacy in game!!   YES YOU HEARD THAT RIGHT!!   IN GAME!!!   OH BOY OH BOY!!!.   

Have you informed Mabeline and Max Factor?  (I assume Kroma already knows.)

-S'Cipio

Does this mean the Gorn will be leaving the Alliance to join this new, more appropriate faction?

You needed some more color anyway Scippy  

[KAT J'inn]

Grrrr.  Pesky Kzinti.

[FPF-DieHard]

Grrrr.  Pesky Kzinti.

Speaking of which, when is your flea-ridden hide goig to make an appearance?   You have  CVA to save up for 

[GDA-Agave]

Enemies as Allies in ion storms and asteroid fields.........ahh the possibilities are intriging 

So how do we rip out the "Friend or Foe" designator in our starship anyway.   

[Braxton_RIP]

Enemies as Allies in ion storms and asteroid fields.........ahh the possibilities are intriging 

So how do we rip out the "Friend or Foe" designator in our starship anyway.   

Have a Coalition guy in the hex when Hexx drafts you so both sides have something to jointly laugh at. 

[KAT J'inn]

Grrrr.  Pesky Kzinti.

Speaking of which, when is your flea-ridden hide goig to make an appearance?   You have  CVA to save up for 

I was on the first day.  Maybe some more tonight.

[el-Karnak]

ANNOUNCEMENT:


The AoTK II Admin team has discovered a way to include rogue factions and tactical diplomacy in game!!   YES YOU HEARD THAT RIGHT!!   IN GAME!!!   OH BOY OH BOY!!!.   

Yup the richness and depth of D2 just doubled.  Hell, tripled.    You may get rouge enemies helping you.  Small scale civil wars.  Traitors.  Whatever.

Yes just another wonderful feature from those folks at AoTK II Admin HQ.    Where Servers With Love is our motto.

Knocks the universal translator to see if it's working...Can you translate this into techie lingo, please. I really don't understand what you say???  ???

[KAT J'inn]

No Problemo . . .



Translating to Techie . . . .


BS.  BS. BS.   Call Microsoft it's their problem. BS. BS.  It's a feature.  BS. BS.  BS.


There ya go.

[el-Karnak]

No Problemo . . .



Translating to Techie . . . .


BS.  BS. BS.   Call Microsoft it's their problem. BS. BS.  It's a feature.  BS. BS.  BS.


There ya go.

OK, got it, cool.

[FPF-DieHard]

Scenario:  Hexx is your Wingman, somebody drops while the mission is loading and the alliances are not set.  You can now target and shot at Hexx.

Bug?   Now way! 

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Enemies as Allies in ion storms and asteroid fields.........ahh the possibilities are intriging 

So how do we rip out the "Friend or Foe" designator in our starship anyway.   

Fly close to any planet and it seems to disappear upon activation of your tractor beam