Topic: Can I ask J'inn and the other RMs to consider this

[el-Karnak]

J'inn, need feedback.   I can do this if you want, just say the word.

It seems like everyone would be cool with it.   I just don't want to stick you with anymore work, esp., since I haven't done a damn thing. 

If you have the time, and you think it's a good idea,  go ahead an implement it.   You have Carte Blanche on the details. 

Let me know the results so I can change the rules.

I'm going to consider the I-CA/CAW/CAY/CAZ a command ship.   Flame away 

all "Vannila" ship (non-command, non-specialty) will be flagged with a "v".  Examples: F-cCAR+, K-vD5K, R-vWE, I-vCLY

Rommie Heavy Hawks (all FHx, NHx, etc. etc.) and Gorn 180+ BPV CAs should get the same treatment then...

It should work that way... I can see the I-CAZ maybe getting that treatment, the rest of them are close enough to the "stock" CAs that they should either be unrestricted CAs or all ships in the BPV range of the I-CA line should be restricted...

I think this is fair.  Otherwise you are discriminating by race.

What he said.

[KAT J'inn]

J'inn, need feedback.   I can do this if you want, just say the word.

It seems like everyone would be cool with it.   I just don't want to stick you with anymore work, esp., since I haven't done a damn thing. 

If you have the time, and you think it's a good idea,  go ahead an implement it.   You have Carte Blanche on the details. 

Let me know the results so I can change the rules.

I'm going to consider the I-CA/CAW/CAY/CAZ a command ship.   Flame away 

all "Vannila" ship (non-command, non-specialty) will be flagged with a "v".  Examples: F-cCAR+, K-vD5K, R-vWE, I-vCLY

Rommie Heavy Hawks (all FHx, NHx, etc. etc.) and Gorn 180+ BPV CAs should get the same treatment then...

It should work that way... I can see the I-CAZ maybe getting that treatment, the rest of them are close enough to the "stock" CAs that they should either be unrestricted CAs or all ships in the BPV range of the I-CA line should be restricted...

This is not open to debate, not trying to be rude, simply don't have time to do things by committee.

Seriously.  This one was supposed to be rules-lite.  That will yield some imperfections (assuming that perfection is even possible).

Don't worry.   We'll do our best to screw every race one way or another. 

[FPF-DieHard]

J'inn, need feedback.   I can do this if you want, just say the word.

It seems like everyone would be cool with it.   I just don't want to stick you with anymore work, esp., since I haven't done a damn thing. 

If you have the time, and you think it's a good idea,  go ahead an implement it.   You have Carte Blanche on the details. 

Let me know the results so I can change the rules.

I'm going to consider the I-CA/CAW/CAY/CAZ a command ship.   Flame away 

all "Vannila" ship (non-command, non-specialty) will be flagged with a "v".  Examples: F-cCAR+, K-vD5K, R-vWE, I-vCLY

Rommie Heavy Hawks (all FHx, NHx, etc. etc.) and Gorn 180+ BPV CAs should get the same treatment then...

It should work that way... I can see the I-CAZ maybe getting that treatment, the rest of them are close enough to the "stock" CAs that they should either be unrestricted CAs or all ships in the BPV range of the I-CA line should be restricted...

This is not open to debate, not trying to be rude, simply don't have time to do things by committee.

The NHK and RHK are command variants anyway Julin so are thus excluded from any shorter disengagement times as well, same for all the CCHs, Kzin, Gorn, the Fed CB etc.

That is pretty much my point.  The command cruiser do not get this excemption and the I-CA series are better than the CCs of the rest of the races.. 

Let's be honest, everyone is going to fly a Command/Specialty ship anyway.

PS:   The F-CS/CS+ did not get a "v" either as though it is not a command or specialty ship for the same reason.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

J'inn, need feedback.   I can do this if you want, just say the word.

It seems like everyone would be cool with it.   I just don't want to stick you with anymore work, esp., since I haven't done a damn thing. 

If you have the time, and you think it's a good idea,  go ahead an implement it.   You have Carte Blanche on the details. 

Let me know the results so I can change the rules.

I'm going to consider the I-CA/CAW/CAY/CAZ a command ship.   Flame away 

all "Vannila" ship (non-command, non-specialty) will be flagged with a "v".  Examples: F-cCAR+, K-vD5K, R-vWE, I-vCLY

Rommie Heavy Hawks (all FHx, NHx, etc. etc.) and Gorn 180+ BPV CAs should get the same treatment then...

It should work that way... I can see the I-CAZ maybe getting that treatment, the rest of them are close enough to the "stock" CAs that they should either be unrestricted CAs or all ships in the BPV range of the I-CA line should be restricted...

This is not open to debate, not trying to be rude, simply don't have time to do things by committee.

The NHK and RHK are command variants anyway Julin so are thus excluded from any shorter disengagement times as well, same for all the CCHs, Kzin, Gorn, the Fed CB etc.

That is pretty much my point.  The command cruiser do not get this excemption.  What is the Command ratting on a I-CA?  (will edit post after I check)

Let's be honest, everyone is going to fly a Command/Specialty ship anyway.

PS:   The F-CS/CS+ did not get a "v" either as though it is not a command or specialty ship.

I agree totally, everyone will be in a command or specialy ship pretty much, but it does allow for some slack to those pilots who lose their ship and haven't got a replacement yet so they can hit the next hex.

[FPF-DieHard]

J'inn, need feedback.   I can do this if you want, just say the word.

It seems like everyone would be cool with it.   I just don't want to stick you with anymore work, esp., since I haven't done a damn thing. 

If you have the time, and you think it's a good idea,  go ahead an implement it.   You have Carte Blanche on the details. 

Let me know the results so I can change the rules.

I'm going to consider the I-CA/CAW/CAY/CAZ a command ship.   Flame away 

all "Vannila" ship (non-command, non-specialty) will be flagged with a "v".  Examples: F-cCAR+, K-vD5K, R-vWE, I-vCLY

Rommie Heavy Hawks (all FHx, NHx, etc. etc.) and Gorn 180+ BPV CAs should get the same treatment then...

It should work that way... I can see the I-CAZ maybe getting that treatment, the rest of them are close enough to the "stock" CAs that they should either be unrestricted CAs or all ships in the BPV range of the I-CA line should be restricted...

This is not open to debate, not trying to be rude, simply don't have time to do things by committee.

The NHK and RHK are command variants anyway Julin so are thus excluded from any shorter disengagement times as well, same for all the CCHs, Kzin, Gorn, the Fed CB etc.

That is pretty much my point.  The command cruiser do not get this excemption.  What is the Command ratting on a I-CA?  (will edit post after I check)

Let's be honest, everyone is going to fly a Command/Specialty ship anyway.

PS:   The F-CS/CS+ did not get a "v" either as though it is not a command or specialty ship.

I agree totally, everyone will be in a command or specialy ship pretty much, but it does allow for some slack to those pilots who lose their ship and haven't got a replacement yet so they can hit the next hex.

And it will encourage suicide flying in an NCL/CW/CLY/D5K as it is cheap to replace and you can jump back in the hex after 20 minutes (or whatever half the Death penalty is).

[Braxton_RIP]

Why fly a cheap replaceable Fed ship, when I can get a nice F-CVS+ and have someone bring along an even nicer little F-NAE, maybe throw a G-BF into the mix.  You can run missions so damn fast with that combo.

[FPF-DieHard]

Why fly a cheap replaceable Fed ship, when I can get a nice F-CVS+ and have someone bring along an even nicer little F-NAE, maybe throw a G-BF into the mix.  You can run missions so damn fast with that combo.

Back to my point, I still don't think many will fly the line ships even with this rule.

[Braxton_RIP]

Why fly a cheap replaceable Fed ship, when I can get a nice F-CVS+ and have someone bring along an even nicer little F-NAE, maybe throw a G-BF into the mix.  You can run missions so damn fast with that combo.

Back to my point, I still don't think many will fly the line ships even with this rule.

I don't know about the rest of you, but the very nice thing about not having ship restrictions is you can build things like carrier groups, and personally, I think the people who go farther on this server will be the ones who take the most advantage of it.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Why fly a cheap replaceable Fed ship, when I can get a nice F-CVS+ and have someone bring along an even nicer little F-NAE, maybe throw a G-BF into the mix.  You can run missions so damn fast with that combo.

Back to my point, I still don't think many will fly the line ships even with this rule.

Except perhaps a few of us on a lark, just for the hell of it  .

Oh DH got one thing for you to consider on this, what about the Heavy war destroyers?  While technically vanilla I'm not sure that they should get any shorter penalty.  The Kzin ones can be pretty mean hex flippers with six drone racks and all of them have fighters.  I'd recommend considering all the HDWs to be specialty ships in keeping in the spirit of the issue.

[FPF-DieHard]

Why fly a cheap replaceable Fed ship, when I can get a nice F-CVS+ and have someone bring along an even nicer little F-NAE, maybe throw a G-BF into the mix.  You can run missions so damn fast with that combo.

Back to my point, I still don't think many will fly the line ships even with this rule.

Except perhaps a few of us on a lark, just for the hell of it  .

Oh DH got one thing for you to consider on this, what about the Heavy war destroyers?  While technically vanilla I'm not sure that they should get any shorter penalty.  The Kzin ones can be pretty mean hex flippers with six drone racks and all of them have fighters.  I'd recommend considering all the HDWs to be specialty ships in keeping in the spirit of the issue.

I did. HDWs did not get the "v"

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Why fly a cheap replaceable Fed ship, when I can get a nice F-CVS+ and have someone bring along an even nicer little F-NAE, maybe throw a G-BF into the mix.  You can run missions so damn fast with that combo.

Back to my point, I still don't think many will fly the line ships even with this rule.

Except perhaps a few of us on a lark, just for the hell of it  .

Oh DH got one thing for you to consider on this, what about the Heavy war destroyers?  While technically vanilla I'm not sure that they should get any shorter penalty.  The Kzin ones can be pretty mean hex flippers with six drone racks and all of them have fighters.  I'd recommend considering all the HDWs to be specialty ships in keeping in the spirit of the issue.

I did. HDWs did not get the "v"

Good move 

[Braxton_RIP]

What about the MIRV boats, DH? 

[el-Karnak]

That is pretty much my point.  The command cruiser do not get this excemption and the I-CA series are better than the CCs of the rest of the races.. 

Let's be honest, everyone is going to fly a Command/Specialty ship anyway.

Yeah, but don't forget that when Karnak is flying the I-CA series then they are better than the DNs for the other races; especially, the all-powerful F-DN. Yeah, maybe even the BBs of every race!!  YEAH!! :O

I can't live with myself if you don't make all the ISC ships down to at least the I-ECL level CCs variants. It just wouldn't be sporting and fair and that would just suck to be on receiving of such Frog firepower.  I mean, think of the poor Gorns quivering in the flakey G-CAs getting the PPD shower. That's so sad...

*sniff*, *sniff*

Please DH, you gotta make all the I-ECLs and I-DDs equivalent to CC variants. You just got to!!! 

[FPF-DieHard]

What about the MIRV boats, DH? 

There are no MIRV line ships

[Braxton_RIP]

the all-powerful F-DN

F-DN = Crap

F-DNL = *Drool*

[el-Karnak]

the all-powerful F-DN

F-DN = Crap

F-DNL = *Drool*

SHHHHHHHHH!!!

Durn, foiled again....