Topic: Looking for a Federation tos style Maguellanes class cruiser (Read 9660 times)

Khalee1 · « **on:** June 18, 2005, 07:07:00 pm »

Im thinking one got made but I could be wrong. And yes I went thru Battleclinic's site and all they had was the tmp one. So if some one has one please send it my way at Khalee@gmail.com Thanks

Mr_Tricorder · « **Reply #1 on:** June 18, 2005, 07:44:22 pm »

I couldn't find one just now, but I did manage to find a great site for schematics. I've been looking for something like this for a while!
http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/

atheorhaven · « **Reply #2 on:** June 18, 2005, 11:16:24 pm »

If none is available, this is one I could probably do for you..

(edit) Just trying a kitbash, and it's working not too bad... see if this is something that you could live with. No texture work done yet, using the stock Maguellanes textures, and the USS Republic's TOS FCA textures to start with...

If it's what you were wanting, I'll finish the kitbash, and then do the texture work to make it all match.

Arcanum · « **Reply #3 on:** June 19, 2005, 01:51:51 am »

Oh yea thats nice, I like it too!

Terradyhne · « **Reply #4 on:** June 19, 2005, 06:23:42 am »

sorry but this TOS model looks simply ugly without the photon Turret and why must all Fed TMP ships have an TOS version can there be not a ship that is only a TMP design

Khalee1 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 19, 2005, 07:46:21 am »

Quote from: atheorhaven on June 18, 2005, 11:16:24 pm

If none is available, this is one I could probably do for you..

(edit) Just trying a kitbash, and it's working not too bad... see if this is something that you could live with. No texture work done yet, using the stock Maguellanes textures, and the USS Republic's TOS FCA textures to start with...

If it's what you were wanting, I'll finish the kitbash, and then do the texture work to make it all match.

Looks good to me keep at it.

Rogue NineCH · « **Reply #6 on:** June 19, 2005, 07:47:07 am »

Quote from: Terradyhne on June 19, 2005, 06:23:42 am

sorry but this TOS model looks simply ugly without the photon Turret and why must all Fed TMP ships have an TOS version can there be not a ship that is only a TMP design

Why? Because we can that's why, and you can never have too many TOS ships. And to answer the second part of your question, there are several ships that are strictly TMP that come to mind. The Wilkerson, Remora, Franz Ferdinand, Andor, Northhampton, Durrett, Chesterfield, Excalibur, Grissom, Thufir, Atlanta, Einherjer, Odyssey, Zeus, Ulysses, Ranger, and the Rosa. Those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

Khalee1 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 19, 2005, 07:51:43 am »

Quote from: Terradyhne on June 19, 2005, 06:23:42 am

sorry but this TOS model looks simply ugly without the photon Turret and why must all Fed TMP ships have an TOS version can there be not a ship that is only a TMP design

Seems to me there are quite a few ships that are tmp only. But this is going into my personal mod.

And anyway why arnt you releasing more ships yourself, Wern't you going to do A Rom V20, I've liked all the other ships you've made so far.

Dizzy · « **Reply #8 on:** June 19, 2005, 09:35:47 am »

Looked at that linked site and saw this one... Never seen this made, could be wrong tho. http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/romulan/battleship_firebat.jpg

Dizzy · « **Reply #9 on:** June 19, 2005, 09:37:22 am »

http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/romulan/battleship_firebat.jpg

S33K100 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 19, 2005, 09:45:50 am »

That because that Rom is a fugly horrific kitbash that was made in 2 minutes by a12 year old fanboy, seriously I mean it's just a Jem'Hadar battleship with the pods from the Jem'Hadar battlecruiser with token Romulan bits stuck to it in the form of the nacelles and completely unmodified head of a D'Deridex, the parts don't mix well they're from 2 very conflicting styles and there are so many good original Romulan designs out there that put that to shame (all of Azel's TNG Romulans for just one example) infact most of the fan submitted stuff on Shipschematics is pretty gut-wrenching, take for Federation ships named after Pokemon, like this beauty for instance:

http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/heavyfrigate_charmander.jpg

Oh and try not to double post Dizzy

Mr_Tricorder · « **Reply #11 on:** June 19, 2005, 11:16:30 am »

Wow. It looks like whoever was designing that Charmander class ship ran out of time, just stuck a box on the back of the saucer, stuck a couple of nacelles (actually, I can't tell if it's one or two) on the box, and called it finished. Add the fact that, except for the box, all parts of this ship come from the Intrepid class, and you have one horrible, useless rippoff.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #12 on:** June 19, 2005, 11:39:55 am »

Quote from: Terradyhne on June 19, 2005, 06:23:42 am

sorry but this TOS model looks simply ugly without the photon Turret and why must all Fed TMP ships have an TOS version can there be not a ship that is only a TMP design

Because, someone asked. Isn't that the basic reason why we do this?

There was a request for a TOS version of this, which I am working on fulfilling. I removed the photon turret for a simple reason, as this is a TOS version, it made sense not to have it there. The seperate torpedo pod is a TMP development afterall.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #13 on:** June 19, 2005, 11:46:32 am »

Quote from: Khalee1 on June 19, 2005, 07:46:21 am

Looks good to me keep at it.

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Shall do...

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #14 on:** June 19, 2005, 01:40:24 pm »

Quote from: Terradyhne on June 19, 2005, 06:23:42 am

sorry but this TOS model looks simply ugly without the photon Turret and why must all Fed TMP ships have an TOS version can there be not a ship that is only a TMP design

I have to agree with ya there. Some ships shouldn't have TOS versions. I'm just happy there's no TOS Sovereign.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #15 on:** June 19, 2005, 03:19:15 pm »

Quote from: ModelsPlease on June 19, 2005, 01:40:24 pm

I have to agree with ya there. Some ships shouldn't have TOS versions. I'm just happy there's no TOS Sovereign.

np... noone has ever asked for one. But if someone did, I think it'd be awesome to play with the design, specifically how to try and backdate some of the tech to make it look somewhat plausible.

Call it a "design model" or whatever. The thing I look at with these are: they're fulfilling someone's request, and they're fun to do. I don't really care too much if they're canon or not, they fit into *someone's* universe, or else they wouldn't be asked for.

Almost redone the textures here on this one.. just have to fix the texture for the deflector and clean things up and it's almost good to go over to Khalee...

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #16 on:** June 19, 2005, 04:09:36 pm »

Don't get me wrong Alec, I'm sure it was fun to do, and yes someone did ask for it. My point was simply this.......

The Lamborghini Diablo was not driving around when the Model T came out right ? The Diablo is far more advanced etc. Yes some ships have a TOS lineage the obvious one being the Connie. She had her time and her MOVIE refit but alas she went the way of the Model T. A timeless classic but not a modern day hotrod. Yes there's plenty of room for every idea in the game and yes it is a personal choice whether to use a particular ship in ones Personal Trek Timeline. I wasn't trying to disrespect anyone by stating how I felt, or saying anything about your ship at all. You have mad skills, as I've said time and again, and this is just another example of it. Great work !!!!

-MP

Mr_Tricorder · « **Reply #17 on:** June 19, 2005, 04:15:03 pm »

Lord Schtupp has a TOS Galaxy at his site. He did a really good job with it, but the idea of a TOS Galaxy class is a little too extreme to fit into my universe. Here's the picture of it from his site.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #18 on:** June 19, 2005, 04:30:45 pm »

Quote from: Mr_Tricorder on June 19, 2005, 04:15:03 pm

Lord Schtupp has a TOS Galaxy at his site. He did a really good job with it, but the idea of a TOS Galaxy class is a little too extreme to fit into my universe. Here's the picture of it from his site.

Yup, I'm aware of it, and personally I find this puppy wicked sweet.

I was planning on revamping the textures one of these days on it and bring them a little more into line with the Connies.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #19 on:** June 19, 2005, 04:46:48 pm »

Quote from: ModelsPlease on June 19, 2005, 04:09:36 pm

Don't get me wrong Alec, I'm sure it was fun to do, and yes someone did ask for it. My point was simply this.......

The Lamborghini Diablo was not driving around when the Model T came out right ? The Diablo is far more advanced etc. Yes some ships have a TOS lineage the obvious one being the Connie. She had her time and her MOVIE refit but alas she went the way of the Model T. A timeless classic but not a modern day hotrod. Yes there's plenty of room for every idea in the game and yes it is a personal choice whether to use a particular ship in ones Personal Trek Timeline. I wasn't trying to disrespect anyone by stating how I felt, or saying anything about your ship at all. You have mad skills, as I've said time and again, and this is just another example of it. Great work !!!!
-MP

Point understood and no offense taken, but I'm looking at it this way. If someone in the time of the Diablo said to someone,"I wonder what the Diablo would've looked like in the time of the Model T?" Then they tried to create the beast in the style of what had been done in that time. What would it have looked like?

Or conversely, in the early 1900's, there were racers. They pushed the limits, and in some cases designed vehciles that had design elements that were not comon until a couple of decades later.

And Boeing's SST is a plane that was designed in the '70's, and has been updated occasionally since. If it had been built, you'd have found a lot of elements common between it and the new plans for the stage two shuttle concept (where everything in the vehcile relands and is reused, and it launches like a plane with three stages of flight). And once it's built, you'll find similar design elements between it and the Concorde, a ship that was built.

This is entirely a concept of "What If?", and Khalee looked at his fleet and decided ,"I need a 'What If" ship right here, and that ship is a TOS version of the Maguellanes." So he came here, and asked. That's also *exactly* why I helped put together the Alseides for Atolm. An uber-fanboy ship yes, but really pretty ingame, and I learned new skills on it that I've applied to more recent models down ther line.

We here are all the "What If?" Makers.... and I'm just happy to try something new.

Terradyhne · « **Reply #20 on:** June 20, 2005, 06:57:41 am »

sorry if i picked on someones thoughts about TOS but why making more TOS fed ships that are some kind of prequels to TMP or later models, the feds taking over the Galaxy with that much ships, and i know that its easier to make feds because there is more refference for them out there but is there not enough tallent in this community to make other races ships

thats the reason why i don't like this TOS remaking of ships of TMP Feds, there are enough of them out there for me and yes i have made a Romu V-20 but can't finish it because of that sh** BOP had texture that i can't get done right and i have given it up to finish this

and Atheorhaven it looks good now for a TOS version with TOS textures for the secondary Hull but without the Photonturret it looks not like an Maguellanes more like a TOS Menahga or that other FASA ship i can't remember the name of

and for me this looks more like an TOS Maguellanes, even if i think this is ugly looking compared to the TMP Maguellanes:

Sandman3D · « **Reply #21 on:** June 20, 2005, 07:53:55 am »

Looks great Alec!!

As for remaking TOS versions of everything, I say why not? It's all sci-fi anyway, and if TOS were made today those designs might be what was done. TOS rules, and if I want to have a TOS version of the Defiant (been done by Alec), then by God I'll have one. We build for fun, so...

I mean look at that monstrocity I just finished for MP...looks like an Orion slave girls w** dream, lmao.

Mackie · « **Reply #22 on:** June 20, 2005, 08:24:40 am »

Quote from: ModelsPlease on June 19, 2005, 01:40:24 pm

I'm just happy there's no TOS Sovereign.

HMMMmmm.... >:}}

Lord Schtupp · « **Reply #23 on:** June 20, 2005, 09:03:19 am »

Quote from: Mr_Tricorder on June 19, 2005, 04:15:03 pm

Lord Schtupp has a TOS Galaxy at his site. He did a really good job with it, but the idea of a TOS Galaxy class is a little too extreme to fit into my universe. Here's the picture of it from his site.

lol - so you think I put enuf windows in it or what... ah well she was my first model that seriously needs a makeover. I started building the model the nght of 9/11/01. I wanted to build a ship with twinned warp nacelles (inspired by the twin nacelles of the B-52), not evident from the side view. Definitely came across with the bomber look to it.

Anyway good work Altheorhaven. Frankly the Maguellanes looks better as a TOS ship IMO because of its realtivly simple hull shape. Its actually cool looking. Ugly? Yes, but so was the Ju-87 Stuka, and that was a cool aircraft. Some TMP and TNG ships are derived from TOS or preTOS era ships, some are not. Who decides which? Only the enthusiast that envisions it. Obviously I am a proponent of exploring ship design lineage and applaud efforts of others doing the same as well as those who dare to say it doesnt look right. After all there where 1700 ships built before the Enterprise and there are 256 slots in available in the SFC2 shiplist.

I quite liked the TOS excelsior that was being worked on a couple of years ago, I dont know if it ever got released. Ive seen plans for a TOS defiant and Oberth that looked plausible.

Lord Schtupp · « **Reply #24 on:** June 20, 2005, 09:27:22 am »

Altheor - Maybe you can take the Photon bay from my Monitor or a p81 model, and integrate that into this model, that way it could be a prototype for such a weapons config. Give it a NX registry perhaps. It does seem to need it i.e. the purpose of such a design.

Also try using the warps from the SFB connie or pehaps the DN as the inside of the intercoolers are texture mapped differently so they dont have the warp engine glow (or remap the current ones yourself)

Rogue · « **Reply #25 on:** June 20, 2005, 01:04:56 pm »

Lord Schtupp,

That particular Galaxy model you did was a remarkable creation and a personal favorite of its kind. What I liked about it so much was the distinct impression of purpose of design. Not a five year mission on the frontier of Federation space. Compared to a Constitution it looks like it was intended to go deep into uncharted space and operate independent for a decade or more. Not just another conjectural battleship that never got past the engineering CAD work. If Roddenbury had made a show about a voyage to the Galactic core this could have been the starship to do it with.

Overlook my straying from topic but it was a good opportunity to make a comment on that particular model.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programing.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #26 on:** June 20, 2005, 10:57:34 pm »

Quote from: Lord Schtupp on June 20, 2005, 09:03:19 am

lol - so you think I put enuf windows in it or what... ah well she was my first model that seriously needs a makeover. I started building the model the nght of 9/11/01. I wanted to build a ship with twinned warp nacelles (inspired by the twin nacelles of the B-52), not evident from the side view. Definitely came across with the bomber look to it.
Anyway good work Altheorhaven. Frankly the Maguellanes looks better as a TOS ship IMO because of its realtivly simple hull shape. Its actually cool looking. Ugly? Yes, but so was the Ju-87 Stuka, and that was a cool aircraft. Some TMP and TNG ships are derived from TOS or preTOS era ships, some are not. Who decides which? Only the enthusiast that envisions it. Obviously I am a proponent of exploring ship design lineage and applaud efforts of others doing the same as well as those who dare to say it doesnt look right. After all there where 1700 ships built before the Enterprise and there are 256 slots in available in the SFC2 shiplist.
I quite liked the TOS excelsior that was being worked on a couple of years ago, I dont know if it ever got released. Ive seen plans for a TOS defiant and Oberth that looked plausible.

I like the idea of using the Monitor's torpedo assembly if it helps make things plausible for some... it won't cause problems with the new design and still maintain the torpedo launcher idea, plus TOS it.

The TOS Excelsior was released... I remember doing the release shots for it.

And I worked on, and have released two TOS versions of the Defiant... the Connie version, and the DS9 version TOS-ized. It can be found here:

http://www.the-tcs.net/_hosted/atheorhaven/html/userfiles/ships/trek/sfc2/tosdefiantv2.zip

Still have to update its textures one of these days..

Think I've seen plans for an Obereth as well... and I do like the idea.. (grin)..

Khalee1 · « **Reply #27 on:** June 21, 2005, 06:59:27 pm »

How's the ship coming along.

Bernard Guignard · « **Reply #28 on:** June 21, 2005, 07:02:49 pm »

Hello Alec

I'd be interested in getting a copy of this beauty also Great Kitbash work as usual

Quote from: atheorhaven on June 19, 2005, 03:19:15 pm

Quote from: ModelsPlease on June 19, 2005, 01:40:24 pm
I have to agree with ya there. Some ships shouldn't have TOS versions. I'm just happy there's no TOS Sovereign.

np... noone has ever asked for one. But if someone did, I think it'd be awesome to play with the design, specifically how to try and backdate some of the tech to make it look somewhat plausible. Call it a "design model" or whatever. The thing I look at with these are: they're fulfilling someone's request, and they're fun to do. I don't really care too much if they're canon or not, they fit into *someone's* universe, or else they wouldn't be asked for.

Almost redone the textures here on this one.. just have to fix the texture for the deflector and clean things up and it's almost good to go over to Khalee...

Khalee1 · « **Reply #29 on:** June 21, 2005, 10:10:50 pm »

You know after looking at the ship some more it bears striking resemblance to the Fed sfb war destroyer. All you need to do, is to scale it down and add a third engine to it. Just may do that once I get it.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #30 on:** June 22, 2005, 12:43:28 am »

Almost done... just need to do a bit of work on the back of the secondary hull. Photons and phaser turrets have been added all around using the Monitor saucer and photons, so that should be good I think. Here's a teaser shot as it stands (hiding the last area I need to work on):

Rogue NineCH · « **Reply #31 on:** June 22, 2005, 09:18:53 pm »

One thing I think is funny is that some posters say that the Maguellanes is an ugly ship without the TMP torp bay. With that torp bay it's a beautiful ship, but without it, it's fugly.

Khalee1 · « **Reply #32 on:** June 22, 2005, 09:28:09 pm »

Quote from: Rogue NineCH on June 22, 2005, 09:18:53 pm

One thing I think is funny is that some posters say that the Maguellanes is an ugly ship without the TMP torp bay. With that torp bay it's a beautiful ship, but without it, it's fugly.

You dont like it, You dont have to download it. But It look's fine to me.

Khalee1 · « **Reply #33 on:** June 24, 2005, 06:05:32 am »

Im being as calm as I can be BUT IS IT DONE YET!!!!!!!!.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #34 on:** June 24, 2005, 10:46:37 am »

Quote from: Khalee1 on June 24, 2005, 06:05:32 am

Im being as calm as I can be BUT IS IT DONE YET!!!!!!!!.

Yes it is, and I'll be uploading it tonight.

Rogue NineCH · « **Reply #35 on:** June 24, 2005, 01:24:03 pm »

Quote from: Khalee1 on June 22, 2005, 09:28:09 pm

Quote from: Rogue NineCH on June 22, 2005, 09:18:53 pm
One thing I think is funny is that some posters say that the Maguellanes is an ugly ship without the TMP torp bay. With that torp bay it's a beautiful ship, but without it, it's fugly.
You dont like it, You dont have to download it. But It look's fine to me.

You misunderstood me Khalee1 I like the ship, I was just poking a little fun at the posters who were saying that the torp bay is the sole difference between this ship being a great looking ship and a fugly ship.

Khalee1 · « **Reply #36 on:** June 24, 2005, 09:15:10 pm »

Quote from: atheorhaven on June 24, 2005, 10:46:37 am

Quote from: Khalee1 on June 24, 2005, 06:05:32 am
Im being as calm as I can be BUT IS IT DONE YET!!!!!!!!.

Yes it is, and I'll be uploading it tonight.

Do you still have a web site? the one in your profile direct's me to a italian site. I guess telling me it's not there or something.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #37 on:** June 25, 2005, 01:15:58 am »

Quote from: Khalee1 on June 24, 2005, 09:15:10 pm

Do you still have a web site? the one in your profile direct's me to a italian site. I guess telling me it's not there or something.

Quote

Actually, it's French.

My redirector has been doing that for a while.. you can still get to the site using the other rediector:

http://mareimbrium.webhop.net

Beats typing out something _________________________________________________________________ this long.

At any rate, took a little bit longer than I was planning.. I realized that I was missing some work on the pylons, so I completed that first.

So here it is.. and send me a pic of it ingame so I can see it in some heated battles. I like screenies..

Bernard Guignard · « **Reply #38 on:** June 25, 2005, 04:47:35 am »

Very nice work Alec a sweet addition to the TOS fleet

USS Mariner · « **Reply #39 on:** June 25, 2005, 10:21:49 am »

Quote from: atheorhaven on June 25, 2005, 01:15:58 am

Quote from: Khalee1 on June 24, 2005, 09:15:10 pm
Do you still have a web site? the one in your profile direct's me to a italian site. I guess telling me it's not there or something.
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Actually, it's French. My redirector has been doing that for a while.. you can still get to the site using the other rediector:

http://mareimbrium.webhop.net

Beats typing out something _________________________________________________________________ this long.

At any rate, took a little bit longer than I was planning.. I realized that I was missing some work on the pylons, so I completed that first.

So here it is.. and send me a pic of it ingame so I can see it in some heated battles. I like screenies..

I
I can only get 1.9meg off of the attachment, and then it says download complete. Can someone send this to BC so I can get this fine piece of TOS action?

atheorhaven · « **Reply #40 on:** June 25, 2005, 02:39:08 pm »

Quote from: Mariner Class on June 25, 2005, 10:21:49 am

I can only get 1.9meg off of the attachment, and then it says download complete. Can someone send this to BC so I can get this fine piece of TOS action?

I can do that, np.

(edit: Okay, it's up at BattleClinic)

Sandman3D · « **Reply #41 on:** June 25, 2005, 03:48:31 pm »

Very nice!!

Khalee1 · « **Reply #42 on:** June 25, 2005, 03:50:09 pm »

Well I got it thanks dude

Rogue NineCH · « **Reply #43 on:** June 25, 2005, 06:48:11 pm »

I get a "unexpected end of archive" when I downloaded from your url. However when I tried to download at BC, It gives me a "hosted_download.htm" and it keeps going in circles. Anyone have any suggestions?

USS Mariner · « **Reply #44 on:** June 25, 2005, 07:19:28 pm »

Quote from: Rogue NineCH on June 25, 2005, 06:48:11 pm

I get a "unexpected end of archive" when I downloaded from your url. However when I tried to download at BC, It gives me a "hosted_download.htm" and it keeps going in circles. Anyone have any suggestions?

If your on broadband, check your firewall for reffer status or something to that effect in your web options (if you have Norton.) Ask Mr Cue on the BC Forums about it, he helped me fix that same problem.

Rod ONeal · « **Reply #45 on:** June 25, 2005, 09:20:26 pm »

Very nice, Alec. As was said, "Great addition to the TOS fleet." Thanks for taking on Khalee's request and doing her for us.

Rogue NineCH · « **Reply #46 on:** June 25, 2005, 09:30:10 pm »

Thanks for the advice, got the problem fixed now.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #47 on:** June 27, 2005, 08:51:41 pm »

Glad that someone besides Khalee found it good enough to download.

USS Mariner · « **Reply #48 on:** June 27, 2005, 09:42:45 pm »

Hey, I'm busy retexturing it with Monitor textures.

Rhaz · « **Reply #49 on:** June 27, 2005, 11:52:50 pm »

great work Alec - though I had to go to battleclinic to d/l her. I was getting the end-of-file error too. ???

Weird.

Thanks again for the hard work and the suffering the nay-sayers!

Rhaz

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