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Offline Chris Johnson

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...Do any of you people out there have a dog?  I was just wondering, because as of a half hour ago, I'm playing a waiting game with my German Shephard named Mina.  She's almost seven months old, she's very unruly and does what she wants in this suburb I live in.  I have my back yard caged up, back door too.  The trouble is, each time I put her outside so she does her business or plays, she never comes when I command her, only on her own will.  Even now at two in the morning! *sigh* That's just great.  I swear I'm going nuts and might do wrong to her, and I don't want to do that.  When she comes in, it's on her own will, and I don't want that, nor want her barking her head off at night and cause unwanted attention.  I mean, if this keeps up I'm going to have to just forget about her and deal with any mess she makes inside the house rather than keep her house trained as she is.

I've tried giving her treats as bait, I've tried commands, I've tried waiting, and today they've all miserably failed.  I won't bother catching this speed demon with my hands either, that's extremely hard and tiresome.  So my problem--to summarize--is that she doesn't do what she's told.   What can I do to train her?  What can I do to get her to listen to me?

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Re: In the words of Scott Bakula, "Oh, boy." Puppy problems...
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2005, 02:34:19 am »
Have you considered threatening her with a orbital super laser?

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Re: In the words of Scott Bakula, "Oh, boy." Puppy problems...
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2005, 06:57:20 am »
Have you tried using a(n extended)  leash?

At least for the midnight outings... then you can just pull her in.

Murphy (my German Shepard/Border Collie mix) never did that stuff, but I have had other dogs who wanted to check out the local scenery at zero dark thirty on a regular basis.

Leashes worked well with them.
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Re: In the words of Scott Bakula, "Oh, boy." Puppy problems...
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2005, 08:14:43 am »
Leash is the way to go.  Try keeping her on a leash while INSIDE also.  She goes everywhere that you do.  She will start to learn that YOU are the boss, and can enforce it (because you have the leash).

Also, go to Petsmart and buy a book.  They have about 20.  They will all say to be firm, consistent, patient.

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Re: In the words of Scott Bakula, "Oh, boy." Puppy problems...
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2005, 09:07:50 am »
You might want to PM Dracho. I know he raises German Shepards, and has had a few put into National Calanders. I'm sure he can Give you some advice. I have Boston Terriers, and one Shepard/Malamute Mix, and I have more trouble with the bosties then the shepard. Then again, I have 5 of them together, so they have that Pack mentality when they go outside.

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Re: In the words of Scott Bakula, "Oh, boy." Puppy problems...
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2005, 09:23:31 am »
I have two German Shepherds and a Rottweiler right now.  The shepherds were bad about not coming when called, but the Rottie will arrive promptly wherever he thinks I have a treat.  There are a few things you can try..

#1 NEVER chase the dog.  If it runs from you, run the opposite direction, hide and call the dog's name.  Curiousity will generally get the better of her and she will try to find you.

#2 NEVER EVER scold the dog when it comes to you, even if it took 20 minutes and you are totally pissed.  Coming to you should be the most pleasurable of experiences.  To train her, do this:  Hold a cookie (treat) where she can see it and call her "Fifi, COME".. as she starts toward you repeat in your best voice "Good girl come.. good girl come".. when she arrives, give her the treat and lots of praise.  If she turns away, in a nasty, disgusted voice, "Fifi NO".. if she turns back, immediately switch back to "Good Girl Come"..  You can practive this in the yard with a 12' training lead.

#3  If that fails, get a correction collar.  NEVER let her know it's you doing it, but when she bolts, zap her and say "NO  COME"  she'll try a different direction, zap her again and "NO, COME".. when she does come, praise her and give her a treat.  I had to use this method on oen of my shepherds, but only had to use it once in his entire life, and it's the only thing I ever had to shock him for (he'd run out the door, into the street, and take off).  I only use a shock collar for situations that would threaten the dogs life, and I've zapped myself with it to see if it's painful.  Surprising is more accurate of a description, but my hand was numb for 5 minutes..

A young dog like that is vying with you to see if she can be the boss.  A method of play that will renforce your position as alpha is to gently (but firmly) put her on her back, put your body directly over hers, with your face over her throat, and talk softly and praise her. You can use one hand on each side of her head, and your elbows to deal with the front paws.  Use your weight to pin her, but be careful not to hurt.. she'll act like you are killing her at first, but it's like the first year of marriage.. decising who owns the remote.. As long as she resists, firmly keep her in that position.. when she stops struggling (acknowledges you as dominant) let her up and play her favorite game as a reward for obedience.

It's exactly how an alpha dog would treat her and she instinctively knows what's happening.

Most importantly, spend about 20 minutes at least every other day teaching the dog something.  Build a bond, establish yourself as her leader, and reward her for doing well.  Shepherds will amaze you with their ability to retain training.  You need to work with her, but she'll remember things much longer than most other breeds, so you won't need to do the same things over and over 6 days a week.

Edit:  A quick tip for getting medicine into the dog, which most new owners HATE:  A dog, by instinct, gorges on food as quickly as it can, because an Alpha allows it to feed for a set period.  Use this instinct against the dog when trying to get a pill into it (this even works with little dogs who the owner says "Oh but she just nibbles her food all day"..

Put the pill into something she will like (I like shoving it into a cut piece of hotdog)..then cut another one just like it.. show both to the dog at the same time.. then give her the one with the pill, while holding the other up for her to see.  999 dogs out of 1000 will wolf down the first bite to get at the second one.  That way, they do't bite into or chew the treat, spit the pill out, then make you shove it down their throat manually.
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Re: In the words of Scott Bakula, "Oh, boy." Puppy problems...
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2005, 09:27:20 am »
Hey, Dracho!  That's how most of our wives trained us!!!


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Re: In the words of Scott Bakula, "Oh, boy." Puppy problems...
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2005, 09:31:28 am »
Really?  Mine used celibate.. not celibate... works well. :P

Hey, Dracho!  That's how most of our wives trained us!!!
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Re: In the words of Scott Bakula, "Oh, boy." Puppy problems...
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2005, 09:57:07 am »
Edit:  A quick tip for getting medicine into the dog, which most new owners HATE:  A dog, by instinct, gorges on food as quickly as it can, because an Alpha allows it to feed for a set period.  Use this instinct against the dog when trying to get a pill into it (this even works with little dogs who the owner says "Oh but she just nibbles her food all day"..

Put the pill into something she will like (I like shoving it into a cut piece of hotdog)..then cut another one just like it.. show both to the dog at the same time.. then give her the one with the pill, while holding the other up for her to see.  999 dogs out of 1000 will wolf down the first bite to get at the second one.  That way, they do't bite into or chew the treat, spit the pill out, then make you shove it down their throat manually.

My dog Murphy is the only dog I have ever had that will willingly take pills without any issues and without any 'bribes' (ala peanut butter covered or what not). 

I think it is b/c when she was a pup, she got vitamins every morning and they were flavored to taste like dog biscuts.
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Re: In the words of Scott Bakula, "Oh, boy." Puppy problems...
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2005, 01:18:12 pm »


Thanks for the advice, all of you (Dracho especially).  It's really appreciated, and I'll take them all into consideration, I know I sure need 'em, if not just a boat-load of patience that I'm lacking here.

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Re: In the words of Scott Bakula, "Oh, boy." Puppy problems...
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2005, 01:22:13 pm »
Dracho's right on the mark with his advice.

I currently have a 90 lb (all muscle including...perhaps...his brain) male Golden Retriever that is by far the best dog I've ever owned.

The key is making sure they know who is the Alpha in the pack.

Establish which spouse is going to be with the dog the most. I've seen couples where one person is the Alpha but they are out of town on business all the time leaving their spouse to deal with a dog that doesn't obey commands as well. It's a recipe for disaster.

I guess I would like to know what outside is distracting the German Shepherd so much?

Our backyard is woods with moose, coyote, deer, fox, and wild turkeys passing through all the time. The last thing I wanted to do was chase my Golden around the woods at 11 PM when it is -30 F. We have an attached garage so when I moved in I built a dog run behind the garage and built from scratch a self locking dog door in the back wall of the garage with a pulley system next to my service door. Now when my Golden needs to go out I simply open up my service door from my house, pull a rope which is attached to the self locking dog door and come back in five minutes when my Golden is finished.

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Re: In the words of Scott Bakula, "Oh, boy." Puppy problems...
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2005, 01:33:01 pm »
I'm curious, when it's -30 can you actually get the dog to go out?


I finally put in a dog door when one of my shepherds got old and developed a weak bladder. Getting up to let him out at 2 am was no longer amusing.
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