Topic: Star Wars Episode III - SPOILERS ALLOWED

[J. Carney]

Since you are trying to come up with possible explainations for things, if R2 and 3PO were known very well by Obi-Wan, why did Obi-an not recognize them in A new Hope when Luke was recused by Ben from the Sand People? Huh, huh? Explain that one all knowing J. Carney! LOL

In the book, Obi-Wan displays a little more depth, and that depth includes a trait that the original character in the first trilogy displayed, almost in spades- Droids are just objects. They are tools, and certianly useful ones, but nothing to be overly concerned about.


I mean, you don't remember every different firearm that you've handled in the course of your life, or every wrench, rachet, socket, or attachment that it takes to work on the engine in your car.

There are kids that you went to school with for a decade that you smooth forget 25 years down the road.


That's what happened to Obi-Wan. Oh, I'm sure if you poked and prodded and made him dig around in his brain he'd remember that Anikin always had this opinonated, loud-mouthed astromech that he treated like a sentient being which constantly followed him around... but I doubt that he could pick IT out of a lineup, anymore than I could pick my first M-16 out of a lineup.


There's your logical explination...TAKE THAT!!!

[Harlax]

I will take the advice given many times and read the book.

You know this made more sense with LOTR where books were turned into a movie.  But when a movie is made into a book and you have to read the book to have the movie make sense.........   

[J. Carney]

I will take the advice given many times and read the book.

You know this made more sense with LOTR where books were turned into a movie.  But when a movie is made into a book and you have to read the book to have the movie make sense.........   

Actually, the book was released a month or so BEFORE the movie, and it was written BASED ON the script, not TAKEN FROM the script. The author takes osme liberties with the book, adding in things that the more stringent time limits of a movie couldn't handle.

But since in the Star Wars Universe (as opposed to Trek) the books are canon as well, the book becomes a sort of 'behind the scenes documentary.'

[Dash Jones]

I thought in the SW universe the books were canon...unless contradicted by Lucas...and as far as canon...you have 'official' canon which is everything that Lucas puts in the movies...and the EU canon which includes movies, TV and books?

[J. Carney]

I thought in the SW universe the books were canon...unless contradicted by Lucas...and as far as canon...you have 'official' canon which is everything that Lucas puts in the movies...and the EU canon which includes movies, TV and books?

That's precisely what I said, Dash- they are canon UNLIKE Trek books.:

But since in the Star Wars Universe (as opposed to Trek) the books are canon as well, the book becomes a sort of 'behind the scenes documentary.'

[jualdeaux]

Sheesh. You guys will go to any lengths to make something coherent. Just to continue the devils advocate position here. You mentioned that you woulndn't remember, and Obi-Wan as well, things from 25 years ago. Even if that same droid pulled your chestnuts out of the fire as many times as R2 did? Let alone having the same name, appearence and personality of the droid in the past? I would remember something like that. And as a jedi, I'm sure Ben had a very good memory.

[Dash Jones]

Ah, but Ben never said he didn't know R2 if I recall...he just said..."I never remember owning a droid."  Which technically is correct, since R2 was Padme's...though Annakin used him from time to time.

[Dash Jones]

Here's something that I've thought about.  Palpatine said that the Sith had figured out how to direct the Midichlorians in order to create life...and preserve it.  Is it possible then, that it was in fact Palpatine who instigated the Birth of Annakin through the force?

Addendum to clarify:  Hence it wasn't really part of the prophecy at all, or wasn't his intention...even if it turned out something like it?

[Tus-XC]

he actually said his master knew how, and specifically mentioned that was so in touch w/ the force that he created life (or somthing along them lines)...   makes ya wonder now don't it

o and as for the proficy bit, i thought it cleared it up quite well when they were talking to yoda about annakin and that they could be wrong (which would make sense, it didn't appear like the force was all that out of balance during the first 2, but once we get darth and the jedi are all but wiped out , well then i would say that is way out wack and thus we get luke to correct that problem)

[AcePylut]

Here's something that I've thought about.  Palpatine said that the Sith had figured out how to direct the Midichlorians in order to create life...and preserve it.  Is it possible then, that it was in fact Palpatine who instigated the Birth of Annakin through the force?

Addendum to clarify:  Hence it wasn't really part of the prophecy at all, or wasn't his intention...even if it turned out something like it?

There must be balance bewteen good and evil, and the ol balance scales were tipped to "good" until Anni came along.

Too bad the Jedi Council didn't realize what balance actually was... from a certain point of view.

[Jack Morris]

You did catch the final words of Yoda to Obi-Wan, saying his old Jedi trainer had figured out a way to communicate to living beings from beyond death? That gives explanation as to how Obi-Wan really did not give up the fight between him and Anakin on the Death Star, but instead knew he would be of better use to Luke by having and using that power.

All in all a good movie, I'm not sure if it was the best of them all, I think it would have been if they had made it 4 hours long and done a bit more explaining, also some of the scenes between Anakin and Padme could have been skipped, if I had known about those scenes I would have used them for a quick run to the restroom. 

Winner of all time Sci-Fi? Star Wars so far, definately. For storyline and characters in Sci-Fi? Star Trek. Winner of Fantasy and having a more feel for the characters along the story in the movies? LOTR, no competition. IMO...

[J. Carney]

it didn't appear like the force was all that out of balance during the first 2,

REALLY?

Not out of balance? Thousands of good Jedi running around and only two Sith?
Can two pounds of lead ever balance out a ton of gold?

When Luke faces Vader, there is perfect balance to the force:

2 good Force users- Luke and Leia (she uses the Force, though she's unaware of doing so: "He's not dead, I can feel it")

2 evil Force users- Vader and Palpatine

In that final competition, the scales are perfectly matched, and balance is brought to the Force through Anikin's actions (having children and killing the rest of the Jedi).

[Commander La'ra]

Obi-Wan never seemed to like to lie.  When faced with an uncomfortable situation most people would lie about, he'd evade the issue by either speaking the literal truth without any expounding on his part or say how he saw things which might not be the more usual interpretation.

So, when he says 'I don't recall owning a Droid', he says it so he doesn't have to say to Luke 'Oh yes, that droid belonged to your mother and father, and is the only non-Jedi in the galaxy that knows the full truth behind your father turning to evil and that we plan to have you kill him'.

Least that's how I read it.

[J. Carney]

Obi-Wan never seemed to like to lie.  When faced with an uncomfortable situation most people would lie about, he'd... say how he saw things which might not be the more usual interpretation.

Sound like any pointy-eared science officers that we know?

[Commander La'ra]

Yes it does, actually.

Fascinating...*raises eyebrow*

[Iceman]

Someone was talking about the Sith being able to generate life...I think that was just Palpatine making crap up to seduce Anakin. That's just my thought. I mean, really, if Sidious could live forever, what would he need Anakin for?

[J. Carney]

Someone was talking about the Sith being able to generate life...I think that was just Palpatine making crap up to seduce Anakin. That's just my thought. I mean, really, if Sidious could live forever, what would he need Anakin for?

Well, what if someone sneaks up on the Emperor and kills him while he is asleep?

Or uses a Droid, which doesn't regester any real intent through the Force, just a little *twinge* of danger. Palpatine might miss that just as HIS master did, and where would the Sith be then?


Why did he need an apprentice? Stuff happens.

[AcePylut]

Sith generate life,,, aka, Sidius raped Shmi to produce Anni, and used the force to do so.

Generate does not equal sustain.


Saw it again last night.  Couldn't figure out the lightsabre hand at the end.

And yes, Samual Jackson sucked ass as Mace Windu. 

[Commander La'ra]

Sidious needs an apprentice so he can send him out to do the dangerous stuff.

Which makes me think that Marlin Perkins was a Sith.

[GE-Raven]

It is my understanding that "balance" is the force only used for selfeless and helpful purposes.  In other words balance is not Good vs. Evil.  It is a "balanced" use of the force.  Used only to help all, and never to help one gain power.  This balance is what anakin achieves only by becoming the darkside and ensuring its eradication by killing his master while ending his own tortured existance.  (aided by his child that he should NEVER have had by Jedi code). 

The end of 6 brings balance with the removal of the sith and therefore the darkside of the force.

MHO

GE-Raven