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OT : What should a Federation Mine Layer look like ?
« on: May 13, 2005, 09:35:08 pm »
Ok folks time to put your thinking caps on. What should a Fed Mine Layer look like ? I want everyones opinion

Hull :BB, DN, BC, CA, CL, DD, FF, AuxClass :Connie, Miranda, Excelsior, yada yada yada
Subsequently I'll be doing a mine sweeper as well. I'm gonna start with the Feds but eventually I'm going to do these for ALL the races so input for ALL species is welcome. If someone wants to bash/model either of these even better. Otherwise whatever is decided I may retexture as needed.
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Re: OT : What should a Federation Mine Layer look like ?
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2005, 10:14:27 pm »
dd or cl, i would imgaine the miranda filling this claass as you could swap out shuttle bays for mines...
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Re: OT : What should a Federation Mine Layer look like ?
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2005, 10:32:51 pm »
I agree, some sort of Miranda varient perhaps.  I have always invisioned a ship similar to the Norway Class for TNG.  At least, a design similar to it.
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Re: OT : What should a Federation Mine Layer look like ?
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2005, 11:16:58 pm »
actually minelayer's and minesweeper's are considered auxillary vessel's not intended for combat and would be smaller than a CL or DD. That's not to say it can't look like a Miranda just not as
big. just my 2cents
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Re: OT : What should a Federation Mine Layer look like ?
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2005, 02:38:37 am »
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Re: OT : What should a Federation Mine Layer look like ?
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2005, 04:31:03 am »
Defiant, shes even shown too do it on screen.
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Re: OT : What should a Federation Mine Layer look like ?
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2005, 12:44:40 pm »
I like that idea of a Modified Oberth Class with some other stuff added.
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Re: OT : What should a Federation Mine Layer look like ?
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2005, 02:31:39 pm »
Ok so far we're down to CL or DD or Aux  for Hull. BTW did I mention I'm trying to stay as true as I can to an SFB style ship.

Sweeper
Some sort of Miranda varient

Layer
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how about a new kitbash
the rear miranda hull the forward section of the oberth with its nacelles retextured to look like the nacelle space is a dual mine bay on either side of the ship and a single mianda nacelle running on the underside of the ship.Minelayers and sweepers are supposed to be notoriously slow (that and i like oberth saucers)
Ya know MIles if it's gonna be a "slow" ship why not just do way with the nacelles all together( ie retexture them) and just go with impulse drive. There's a few oberth w/o pod over at Battleclinic,with a retexture anyone of them would do.
Defiant (TNG era)
Norway Class (TNG era)

More ideas please  ;D I should have the final stats ready by tomorrow for the other races as well. NOw all we need are the ships LOL.

Ya know Mackie's really good at coming up with some unique designs maybe he'll read this and come up with something as well.
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Re: OT : What should a Federation Mine Layer look like ?
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2005, 06:11:11 pm »
Easy

Sweepers
TOS = Schtupp's Pegasus
TMP = Oberth
TLE = My Hawkeye and Oberth
TNG = Oberth
VOY = Oberth / Nova

Layers
TOS = Ptolemy
TMP = Oberth
TLE = Miranda
TNG = Miranda / an excel-style tug
VOY = Miranda / Intrepid
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Re: OT : What should a Federation Mine Layer look like ?
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2005, 03:58:34 am »
I would use Maquis Raiders as Layers ;) They're fast they can be modified to hold more cargo. The other concept was to use Danube class Runabouts because they've got 4 interchangable modules which in my opinion can be adapted to lay mines :)
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Re: OT : What should a Federation Mine Layer look like ?
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2005, 04:02:27 am »
Such Danube Modules can contain living quarters, labs, diplomatic facilities etc. Why couldn't they contain cargo and devices to lay mines?  ;D
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Re: OT : What should a Federation Mine Layer look like ?
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2005, 06:42:48 am »
Well, i dont think the raider or the danube has the cargo room for it. Yes they have enough to be used in a pinch - but wouldnt it be better to have an AUX ship filled with them?
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Re: OT : What should a Federation Mine Layer look like ?
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2005, 07:02:52 am »
Quote from: Furyofaseraph on May 15, 2005, 06:42:48 am
Well, i dont think the raider or the danube has the cargo room for it. Yes they have enough to be used in a pinch - but wouldnt it be better to have an AUX ship filled with them?
Fury's right runabout's wouldn't have the cargoroom needed. Think of flleet tug's they would be
the right size with the room to hold a sh*t load of mine's and slow.
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Re: OT : What should a Federation Mine Layer look like ?
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2005, 08:35:25 am »
One thing to consider, though, is that at least in the TNG era, you don't have to carry the mines--just the raw material to replicate them from...  ;)  And it must not take much raw material to make a mine if a mine can replicate itself...   ::)

Personally, i tend to see Starfleet minelayers as modifications of existing, older ships.  For example, in StressPuppy's TOS Homeworld mod, we used the Daedalus as a minelayer, under the assumption that a good portion of the secondary hull was hangar space where mine racks could be installed.  Similarly, as mentioned before, the Miranda in TMP or later eras would be a good choice.  In the Cardassian War or TNG eras, the Curry might work...
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Re: OT : What should a Federation Mine Layer look like ?
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2005, 08:42:58 am »
Pierce Your're right as well :)
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Re: OT : What should a Federation Mine Layer look like ?
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2005, 11:51:27 am »
The Oberth won't work as a Sweeper.........no room for drones. Other classes to consider............

Remora-TMP(LAYER)
Abbe-TMP(SWEEPER)
Larson-TOS(LAYER)
Nebula-TNG (SWEEPER)
Burke(SWEEPER)
New Orleans(Mid TNG SWEEPER)
Challanger(Mid TNG LAYER)
Centaur(Early TNG)
Trident(Early TNG)

I'm not even consider runabouts or fighters/shuttles.....way to small. Corvettes/Monitors are the smallest i'll consider.

The one that's for sure is the TNG layerer.... Defiant it's cannon so case closed there.
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Re: OT : What should a Federation Mine Layer look like ?
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2005, 01:32:59 pm »
Just so you know, MP, we at alternate Universe actually put into our current mod minelayers for each race. We call them CSV (Combat Support Vessels) and they come stock with 6 antimater mine layers that you can't refit.
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Re: OT : What should a Federation Mine Layer look like ?
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2005, 05:28:01 pm »
Actually, on further thought, with replicator & transporter technology, in TNG, any ship could be a minelayer.  Just replicate & beam, replicate & beam...  :D

And I'm not sure that any era would need a dedicated minesweeper; the average phaser bank seems like a pretty good anti-mine weapon to me...  :)
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Re: OT : What should a Federation Mine Layer look like ?
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2005, 07:35:48 pm »
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And I'm not sure that any era would need a dedicated minesweeper; the average phaser bank seems like a pretty good anti-mine weapon to me... 


They are but.......the mine layer I'm designing can dump 120 mines on the field of battle. No phaser ships gonna be able to deal with that, and fight other ships at the same time. Hence the choice for drones instead of photons.

Here's an example of the Fed TOS/TMP sweeper weapons.As everyone knows there are 6 ball turrets on the saucer grouped in pairs so........

3 sets 2X Ph2

1) 2X Ph2 FH arc
2) 2X Ph2 LS arc
3) 2X Ph2 RS arc

2 sets 1X Ph3 (point defense)

1) 1XPh3 LS
2) 1XPh3 RS

5 missile racks (haven't decided what type of drone yet)
*Obviously the key to using them will be how the mines are layed out. In clusters you want to use FIRE ALL MODE if the mines are spaced out FIRE ONE mode will work better. SO you'll have anywhere from 5 to 30 missiles firing at one time.
TOS will have 2 reloads
TMP and later ships will have 3 reloads.
Power is not a problem since the minesweeper must be nearly at a dead stop to sweep mines anyway.


For the Gorn I'm going with the Heavy Destroyer Hull for both sweeper/layer.
For the Roms I'm going withthe N8 (layer) and MR's Merlin for the sweeper so far.
*Both utilizing the Plasma F in a shotgun mode to distribute 6 mini plasma burst (ala drone missiles) to destroy mines. You can read how this works in the OP manual  ;)
Kzinti And Hydran....same as the Gorn, some medium sized ship.

That's what's swimming around in my head so far if that helps everyone see where I'm heading with this.
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Re: OT : What should a Federation Mine Layer look like ?
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2005, 07:51:12 pm »
Any ship can be a minesweeper............ once
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