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Cell Phones
« on: May 04, 2005, 10:41:31 am »
Okay, guys.  You've given me a lot of assistance with computer issues,  so I'll try and offer a bit of advice for anyone who has a cell phone, since that is what I do for a living.  These are just basic pointers to help out in the process of buying one or changing from one company to another.  More detailed questions I'll have to address later on.  If it is something I am not sure of, I'll get back with you on an answer.

1.  NEVER buy your phone over the 'net.  Always go to a company owned cell store.  The reason is, if you have trouble with a phone, you want to be able to take it directly to someone to get it looked at/replaced.  If you order one over the 'net, guess what?  You are out your phone while you ship it back to be fixed, unless you have a 'spare' handy. 
   If you order your phone over the phone or on the 'net, and get one that doesn't work due to whatever reason, then you will have to wait until it gets shipped back to you, after they receive the bad one back, before you can use it.  At a store, you walk out the door and know it will work.
   Thus, since communication is such a big part of things today, keep in mind that you want to be able to get it fixed quickly.  You'll pay a little more at a store, but it is normally worth it, as the store will do all they can to fix your issues as soon as you come in, sometimes even giving you a 'loaner' until your phone comes in.

2.  If you are changing to another cell phone company, be aware that it is a minimum of three hours from what is called confirmation.  The FCC rules requires that.  If it is a landline number, that is 3 days to 10 days on average.  Don't expect it to be any faster regardless of what you are told.   It isn't happening.
    Just because you have a number on your cell phone doesn't mean it will be done in three hours, either.  95% of the time, it will, but other times, you will have what is called a type 1 number.  This is a landline number that is rented, and actually owned by a landline company, thus, it will fall under the 3 day+ rule.
   
3.   When you decide to change companies, be sure your contract is up, or is going to be that day.  If your phone is disconnected at the old service provider prior to  the end of contract, most charge some hefty early termination fees, and that can hurt.  They also will make a point of charging a reconnection fee for some of them to let you 'port' the number out. 
   Yes, it has to be active at the old service provider to move to another company, which is called porting.  Do not turn it off.  Otherwise, you could lose your number.
   Carry a copy of your bill in from the old service provider to make sure that you can do this in one try. 
   If you are with a carrier like Virgin, you will have to wait 24 hours minimum.  The reason is they rent their numbers from another cell company, and it has to go through them, then to Virgin, to complete it.  One day on average, so be aware of what you  are dealing with.
   
   If you have any other questions, just ask and I'll see what I can help you with.


NPR is a lot like NASCAR.  Two hundred miles an hour in a circle, and you end up right back where you started with nothing but lost time for the effort.


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Re: Cell Phones
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2005, 10:47:05 am »
P.S. AT&T Rogers Cellular in Canada are outright criminals. Avoid like the plague. (false advertising, fraud, extortion... the list goes on - plus they're on the verge of collapse.)

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Re: Cell Phones
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2005, 10:49:44 am »
Actually, if that is the one that is a branch of AT&T wireless, here in the states, it isn't going to  be much longer.   AT&T wireless got bought out last year, and is slowly being absorbed.


NPR is a lot like NASCAR.  Two hundred miles an hour in a circle, and you end up right back where you started with nothing but lost time for the effort.


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Re: Cell Phones
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2005, 11:07:46 am »
Actually, if that is the one that is a branch of AT&T wireless, here in the states, it isn't going to  be much longer.   AT&T wireless got bought out last year, and is slowly being absorbed.

Absorbed by the Great Evil of Cingular.

Dont get me started on them. ::)

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Re: Cell Phones
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2005, 11:08:46 am »
ROFL.  They are all evil, Darth.  It is just a matter of perception. 


NPR is a lot like NASCAR.  Two hundred miles an hour in a circle, and you end up right back where you started with nothing but lost time for the effort.


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Re: Cell Phones
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2005, 11:34:37 am »
Ah but the evil of the 'not having to deal with' vs the 'we have no choice but to deal with cuz ATTwireless got absorbed by a different borg entity'...

Evil is still evil though

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Re: Cell Phones
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2005, 11:38:01 am »
True enough, although I've never been called a borg entity before.   ;D  Cool, since I like the borg.  Migration problems?


NPR is a lot like NASCAR.  Two hundred miles an hour in a circle, and you end up right back where you started with nothing but lost time for the effort.


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Re: Cell Phones
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2005, 12:10:09 pm »
i actually like cingular... they are the only company that gets reception out here
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Re: Cell Phones
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2005, 12:10:54 pm »
Nah - just major changes not documented in the changeover from ATTwireless to Cingular.

Like all of the sudden burning minutes to check voicemail.

Reception where i'm at is ok... bad at home due to having a ground level apartment

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Re: Cell Phones
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2005, 02:06:23 pm »
lol, well i'm about 7,000 feet about sea level and about 2,000 feet above the rest of colorado springs.... you would think we would have perfect reception wouldn't ya ;) lol
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Re: Cell Phones
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2005, 02:52:37 pm »
Here's a question: Why cannot I transfer files to/from my bluetooth phone and my computer?

Here's another: Why can I also not do it via USB?

OK, I know the answer. It just irritates me.....
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Re: Cell Phones
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2005, 04:43:55 pm »
It it true that a cell phone that is disconnected (such as cell phone no longer in use and the number has been re-assigned to a newer phone) can still be used to make a 911 call?
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Re: Cell Phones
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2005, 10:08:38 am »
Darth,
   Jus because Cingular bought AT&T Wireless, doesn't mean you have to migrate over immediately, unless you live in one of the markets that the FCC said we had to sell, and that would depend on who bought that market from us as to who you would be contacted by.
   As for the burning minutes, that has been done as long as I know.  However, remember also that we have the rollover, and you can bank a ton of minutes up with it.  The minute thing  is something we've always done, because it is using airtime to call the voice mail.

Death_Merchant,
   I'll check on that.  Depending on what phone/PDA you have, it should be possible.




NPR is a lot like NASCAR.  Two hundred miles an hour in a circle, and you end up right back where you started with nothing but lost time for the effort.


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Re: Cell Phones
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2005, 10:47:15 am »
We had no choice but to migrate over. (this was in December).  Dead TDMA phone - no replacements in the state that would work without alot of hacking.

I'm guessing the constant dropped calls (on both ATT/Cing) are mainly due to being in a ground floor apartment (head is at ground level).  We;ve got whole wall windows - but doesnt help.

Planning on moving in August, to a different location in the city, and not on ground floor.
(it's mainly my GF thats pissed about the vm thing - i rarely get any)

Darth,
   Jus because Cingular bought AT&T Wireless, doesn't mean you have to migrate over immediately, unless you live in one of the markets that the FCC said we had to sell, and that would depend on who bought that market from us as to who you would be contacted by.
   As for the burning minutes, that has been done as long as I know.  However, remember also that we have the rollover, and you can bank a ton of minutes up with it.  The minute thing  is something we've always done, because it is using airtime to call the voice mail.

Death_Merchant,
   I'll check on that.  Depending on what phone/PDA you have, it should be possible.




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Re: Cell Phones
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2005, 10:49:30 am »
P.S. AT&T Rogers Cellular in Canada are outright criminals. Avoid like the plague. (false advertising, fraud, extortion... the list goes on - plus they're on the verge of collapse.)

Coulda sworn Rogers detatched themselves from AT&T sometime last year...
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Re: Cell Phones
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2005, 11:15:26 am »
They could have, Strafer, as the name was actually leased, and not part of the AT&T landline company.  For either one.
   Darth, what kind of phone do you have?  I know it's GSM, but I meant what particular model?


NPR is a lot like NASCAR.  Two hundred miles an hour in a circle, and you end up right back where you started with nothing but lost time for the effort.


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Re: Cell Phones
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2005, 11:46:24 am »
Motorola V180.

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« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2005, 12:07:21 pm »
V180's are moderately good phones.  Nokia has the best reception though.  Are your windows tinted?  You can also look up on the internet the locations of the nearest towers. 
   Tinted windows have metal in them, which can block reception.  There are a lot of problems with those in some areas.  If you have a friend who has a Nokia, ask him to try it in your house.  You may be shocked.


NPR is a lot like NASCAR.  Two hundred miles an hour in a circle, and you end up right back where you started with nothing but lost time for the effort.


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Re: Cell Phones
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2005, 12:21:49 pm »
Nope, not tinted windows.

It seems to be a problem for ATT/Cingular in the entire St. Paul area - which doesnt surprise me.

I had a Nokia phone before on ATT-TDMA.  All but useless inside the apartment.

If i wasnt about to move in a few months i'd be getting a landline again.
Would switch providers - but cant afford the contract termination

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Re: Cell Phones
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2005, 12:41:43 pm »
The different tech's can impact the reception as well.  GSM in most cities is the primary source.  TDMA gets the leftovers.   Obviously, other carriers use different tech.  We use GSM because it is the tech that is worldwide.  Thus, if someone has international roaming, they can actually make and receive calls even overseas in a lot of areas.
   I'd still recommend having a friend with a GSM Nokia try it.  That would probably end the issue.


NPR is a lot like NASCAR.  Two hundred miles an hour in a circle, and you end up right back where you started with nothing but lost time for the effort.