Topic: That was a GORN!??

[Lono]

BOO!!!

I mean - I liked they played him as intelligent but what was with the weak CG??

Sheesh!?

Anyone else irritated they varied so much from the kirk era likeness?

[Alidar Jarok]

First off, no, you are not the only one who was bothered by the appearance.  Myself, I found the eyes the most annoying (so I made this pic)



But, after looking at some pics, they changed the appearance a lot less than I first thought.  They still maintained a fairly humanoid shape, just gave him a smaller head and longer neck



Oh, and I made this pic as well

[Lono]

Interesting - yes I think the eyes were the worst - glad to see you correct them!

You know when he was actually moving he didn't convey a humanoid shape at all to me - but when you look at that screen shot I guess that he was supposed to.

I like how they used him in the show - hope they put some anatomically correct Gorns in one of the future movies.

[Rat Boy]

Slar-Slar Binks was atrocious, not only because it bore so little resemblence to the original Gorn, but because it was perhaps the worst bit of CGI work I've ever seen.  Scott Bakula wrestling with a rubber alligator would have done a better job at looking more realistic.

[Alidar Jarok]

I found a clip of that whole scene on the internet and I was going to link it here, but it stops working after 30 seconds, so you barely get to see anything.  Its from the same link as I posted in the thread called "Tholians", though.

[Chris Johnson]

Like the Tholians, I actually liked Slar.  People make the misconception that all species that aren't almost human-look-a-likes are supposed to look alike from each other.  Look at ourselves: We have species diversity.  Did it ever occur to anyone here that there may have been some diversity in the gene pool for Gorn to look different from each other?  Perhaps on one continent in their homeworld there's a population of bug-eyed Gorn whilst another have more velociraptor-like.  Perhaps there's even another type of gorn with a tail?  I never got the idea that all Gorn should look alike.

[Lepton]

At first sight, I was repulsed by this version of a Gorn as it was quite divergent from my expectations, but upon seeing the episode for a second time, I felt the Gorn was believable if not preferable to the TOS Gorn.  I mean, the TOS Gorn was a bit silly and perhaps based upon some rather out-moded ideas about reptiles and dinosaurs.  I fully expected the Gorn to be slow and clumsy, then when it was stealthy and quick, I was totally shocked and thought it inappropriate, but really it's much more in keeping with reptiles in general.  Just feel lucky that it didn't have feathers as is being suggested now for a number of dinosaurs.

[Soreyes]

OMG!!!!!!!!   Kroma The Skinny

[Nemesis]

OMG!!!!!!!!   Kroma The Skinny

Kroma just loves those fun house mirrors.

[GDA-S'Cipio]

The way they used the Gorn was OK.  I've been waiting 35 years to see another Gorn in an episode, and I was quite happy with his role 

His voice was perfect.  I don't mind his looks either, and they actually get a really big thumbs up for not giving him a tail.  (So many other places I've seen Gorn seem to forget that they don't have tails.)

He was quicker than expected, and not nearly strong enough.  But that's OK.  The only thing that dissapointed me was the CGI.  You're right, that sucked.  I mean, really sucked.  He'd have looked more realistic with a Mugato costume.  I'll forgive them for that though, and chalk it up to the fact that they probably really stretched the budget on this one.  The still frames are still cool

I love what you've done with the Kroma pic.   

-S'Cipio

-S'Cipio

[KBF-Crim]

OMG!!!!!!!!   Kroma The Skinny

Kroma just loves those fun house mirrors.

[Ravok]

 The only real problems I had with it where , It looked plastic and it was too weak.
 It should have smeared Archer all over the walls.

 It was really inconsistant. It fought weakly. But was able to stand breifly under 20 gees.

 At 20 Gravitys a human would die of heart failure instantly. and his spine and legs would snap. And a average human head alone, would weigh 220 lbs.

[Chris Johnson]

Think about this:

What you just said seemed as if a Gorn was poorly commenting on me being too weak and that was inconsistant.  What he never guessed was that I was just too weak period since I rarely work out for those muscles. :p

I think Slar was strong, but not as strong as his slow-as-heck descendent a century later.  And at least he was plastic and not rubber.

[Villa64]

 At 20 Gravitys a human would die of heart failure instantly. and his spine and legs would snap. And a average human head alone, would weigh 220 lbs.

I am not certain that is correct.  Plenty of people survive aircraft wrecks in excess of 20 G's.  They dont die instantly from heart failure, and many dont have snapped spine and legs, although many more do sustain spine and leg injuries.

[Ravok]

 At 20 Gravitys a human would die of heart failure instantly. and his spine and legs would snap. And a average human head alone, would weigh 220 lbs.

I am not certain that is correct.  Plenty of people survive aircraft wrecks in excess of 20 G's.  They dont die instantly from heart failure, and many dont have snapped spine and legs, although many more do sustain spine and leg injuries.

 20 gees for a second is survivable (maybe) an average ejection seat only causes about 10 for that same reason.

 To be standing in a 20 gee gravity like the gorn did would be fatal .According to my egress instructors in the USAF.
 ( at 8 gees most people start to black out because the blood starts pooling in their lower body)

 Being seated and wearing a G suit spreads the forces around and they can be tolerated briefly.
 To be standing and receive the same trauma, would leave you a puddle of jelly.
 
 Imagine somebody throwing a Volks Wagon on your shoulders while you where standing,and imagine what that would do to your legs, and spine.

 I weigh 235. At 20 gs I would weigh 2,700 lbs.

[Rat Boy]

Considering how this Gorn was a giant, badly-drawn cartoon character, I think we can give them as much leeway as if Daffy Duck had an anvil dropped on him.

[Grand Master of Shadows NCC37385]

Considering how this Gorn was a giant, badly-drawn cartoon character, I think we can give them as much leeway as if Daffy Duck had an anvil dropped on him.

Dont go throwing reality in here RB, they were debating real life. 

[Chris Johnson]

You must cut slack and consider the fact that these guys run under a limited time and have a budget.  Things may not be perfect if you have a short time to work on it.  It can't be helped if something's lacking on a specific CGI if you don't have enough time.  If it were a feature film, it wouldn't lack anything.  If one considers that, one might think the CGI might be impressive given the constraints, probably better than just a guy in a suit acting like he's in a 1980s Japanese monster movie or 1990s Sentai.

[Grand Master of Shadows NCC37385]

Kroma, the shy wall-flower, hasnt revealed the wonderful event that occured to him recently. After many years...and two children...Kroma has married the woman of his dreams! Here is their wedding photograph taken only moment after saying their "I do's". 
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[Rat Boy]

You must cut slack and consider the fact that these guys run under a limited time and have a budget.

Even they admit that they weren't happy with the final product and thought it didn't look that great.   I am merely judging the finished product based on the quality, not based on extenuating circumstances.  If all they had time to do was hand-draw the thing with pencils and crayons, would you still be defending them?