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« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2005, 06:42:14 pm »
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]Vic, we thought it would be a opening move to regarding unifying the SFC Communites by repealing the ban you got almost a year ago over this exact same type of poop.

No, let me correct that, it was ME that felt that way - I can't speak for the rest of them because quite a few had reservations.

Now, I guess we see who was right and who was wrong.



Frey, sorry for this, but someone has to tell lang what a lot of gamers are thinking of this games franchise, its seems obvious that lang himself quite frankly doesnt give a crap.

Vic, if you were truly sorry, then you wouldn't have done it. You won't get the chance to call me a fool again.

PS. I'm leaving Harry's replies to your posts as they are because:

1. He's friggin Paramount!!!! DUH

2. It could serve as an example for you - you know, professionalism, integrity, truthfullness?
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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2005, 07:46:57 pm »
Wow Vic, I don't understand where you're hostility comes from, but I'll attempt to answer your questions.

FINALLY harry, now we meet in 2005....

I have some questions for you.

Who is funding Perpetual Entertainment.  Isnt it true that the same banking company who are the majority funders of Perpetual happen to be heavilly invested from Viacom or Paramount? Isnt it true that if the game starts losing money in a 3 month span paramount will pull the plug? before you answer that Harry, dig deep.  I have the resources to do so, do you?


Actually, we have met in 2005 already as you probably recall.  As far as I know, Perpetual has funding from serveral sourcesl as you can see from a press release on this page.  None of those mention Viacom.  However if those companies invest in Viacom, that doesn't mean Viacom funds Perpetual (Viacom doesn't need venture capital anyway so it doesn't make sense).  Either way, there is no connection and neither Viacom or Paramount are funding Perpetual in any manner whatsoever.  If you have the resources to say otherwise, I'd love to see them.  As I said, we never have and most likely never will fund game development.  As far as pulling the plug, where do you even come up with this?  Paramount won't pull the plug on the game, that would be Perpetual's call if the game is a complete failure (which it won't be).

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What do you say harry to the fleets like Red Squadrons who are still saying that this MMORPG is a waste of time and Parmaount is in this for the money only?


I'd ask why do they say that?  Fleets are welcomed in STO (which is an MMOG).  As for Paramount being in this for the money...we've wanted to do an mmog for many years and are thrilled to finally be able to have one made.  Paramount is a business and isn't in this for charity, but it's also a labor of love.

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What do you say to the modders who will be ditched by Viacom when it becomes obvious that modders will bascially be useless in this new MMORPG?


I'd say, as I've said already, we have other things in the works which will keep them happy.  We covered this last year on your forums  and no one is being "ditched" for any deliberate reason.  If things happen that we're planning, the modders will be very happy.

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What do you say to the THOUSANDS of casual trek gamers who have followed this game genre, and have emailed me since last year who are saying that they refuse to pay for play, that the game will be a buggy mess (cause Paramount NEVER cares about Q&A) and who also say that ViaComs complete INCOMPETENCE in running this franchise means that enterprise was cancelled and if you are not able to even run a TV Show what chance do you have in running an MMORPG with a company no one has heard of?


I'd say please forward me some of those emails just like I asked you to last year but didn't receive.  I want to see what those people are saying.  Anyway, we're not forgetting about the casual fans who don't want to pay to play.  I'm not responsible for the tv show and Paramount again, is not running this mmog.  Perpetual is.


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What do you have to say PERSONALLY with the reports i have heard of you and your section of the franchise who have been completely ignoreing fan driven attempts at making simple or complex games?  (that question is from a representative of PC Gamers Magazine, i advise you to answer it)


Am I being quoted for a magazine now?  I'd rather respond directly to the person asking the question then.  There's nothing I can do for fan created games.

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What do you have to say about the reports that the STGD has heard of you personally blackballing any sites which supports STGD and some of the older fleets?


I'd say someone's been feeding you b.s. because I've never said anything of the sort.  I'd ask for evidence because it's not true.

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What do you have to say about the continued harrasement from the sites you DO support to anyone who has anything negative to say against the new MMORPG?


Again, I don't support any fansite.  I post on a couple of them but in no way is any fan site supported or endorsed by Paramount.  Let's get that straight right now.  Anyone is free to express their like or dislike of the game.  I certainly don't approve of harrassment of any site towards another but since I don't control fansites, I can't tell them what to do.  As I told you last year, I don't get involved in squabbles between fansites.


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Do you ADMIT that STGD was right last year when i PERSONALLY told you that you need to release a game THIS year or NEXT year, and that even though Paramount and STGD have since fallen out all of a sudden you have now given news that you are attempting to "ressurect" an old game.  What is something i told you to do LAST YEAR?


I told your forums long before you emailed me that we are always talking to publishers and that was true.  Of course we want a game out asap.   I posted the news almost two months ago because there had been a lot of developments and I hadn't talked much about the future in a while (and it was more than just resurrecting an old game I spoke about).  I agree that we need a game but again, we do NOT release games, we license to publishers or developers who release games.  So it requires another party.


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What do you say to the emails sent to you from the old STCD warning you against giving Activision all the license packs, and dont bother saying you didnt get the email, i got a reply.


What do you want me to say?  It's not like you sent that back in 1998.  What's done is done.  The first email I ever got from you was early 2004.

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Harry, STGD may be on it's knees, but you have made an enemy of that site, me and the thousands of visitors who follow it.  Its only a matter of time before we are proved right.  You have STILL to answer any of the relevant questions myself and the staff threw at you before i was banned form your little Paramount ran STGU forum.  Its not STGU you should continually visit to gather support for the MMORPG, STGU is ran by a bunch of minions.  You want to talk to the REAL trek gamers who have been here long before STGU was even thought of?  Then you visit the follwing sites...
www.sgnonline.com

www.dynaverse.net

www.strategyplanet.com/stgd

You wantr to deal with the REAL trek gamers?  You deal with STGD, this place, sgnonline ANY site but STGU.  I might have said back in 2004 that this place is bad, a lot of them in here may not trust me or the STGD but ill guartuntee you this, you will get a more direct and honest answer from the sites listed above than the brainwashed minions of the sites you regularly visit just now.


Again, Paramount does't run or support STGU.  I post on there, that's all.  just like I post on other forums.  Why you think Paramount runs that site is beyond me.  And as I recall, you never answered a lot of my questions either about the false accusations and slanderous remarks made towards me as I indicated in a lengthy post on STGU.  That was the reason for the "falling out" plain and simple.  I've tried to reach out to you but you seem hell bent on being angry with me as if I've personally wronged you.  I haven't.   I offered to resolve the issues with you but never heard back.  I have posted on this site in the past and have experienced the fans opinions here.  I certainly can't post on every single site that exists.  As for your site, after the treatment I recieved from you outlined in my post, I don't know why I should visit there.  You say I've made enemies there, well, not because I've done anything to them. 

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The statement that Katherine said about you resigning and of the complete incompetence of you running this gaming franchise will be brought into the open, and i KNOW you are not ready for it...i am.]


This still puzzles me...don't know what I've personally done to either of you.  I'd love to hear it though.  Why are you so angry with me?  Could you please tell me once and for all how I've personally upset you so much that you would say such things?

What is it that you want?  I've made offers to try to help you but you never responded.

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Frey, sorry for this, but someone has to tell lang what a lot of gamers are thinking of this games franchise, its seems obvious that lang himself quite frankly doesnt give a crap.


Not true, or otherwise I won't be posting.  Where do you come up with a question like that?

Once again, I'd love to hear why you seem to have such hatred towards me.  I've answered all of your questions and have a few of my own.

I can take criticism, but you go beyond that.  It's not a matter of "standing up to Paramount" but hostile and personal attack.
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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2005, 12:37:00 am »
Ok ...let me make this perfectly clear...

These forums do NOT exist for use by individuals  to engage in perpetual conflict with Other users ,third party sites, companies, or their employees....

These forums exist, and are hosted for, the enjoyment of the StarFleet Command Comunity...

This informational post has turned into an obvious airing of personal grievences...real or otherwise....and serves NO useful purpose other to inflame and illicit negative responces.

This post serves notice that such behaviour will stop imediately....or the disrputive individuals involved will be shown the door.

The choice is entirely yours ,this thread will remain open, pending future behaviour.

Sincerly,

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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2005, 10:18:50 am »
*sigh*

Just when I think I'm going to see some new and interesting info about ST and all it encompasses someone has to jump in and air their past dirty delicates.

So, Harry, you got any poop on any movement for ST:Enterprise? Any juicy rumors? How about game wise?

Jerry
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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2005, 12:26:18 am »
*sigh*

Just when I think I'm going to see some new and interesting info about ST and all it encompasses someone has to jump in and air their past dirty delicates.

So, Harry, you got any poop on any movement for ST:Enterprise? Any juicy rumors? How about game wise?

Jerry

Hi Jerry.  Sorry, nothing to report on Ent. from my perspective.  I'm not involved with the show.  Game wise - well, we're working to rectify that.  Hope to have more good news on that front soon.

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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2005, 12:58:52 am »
Man, I can't wait.

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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2005, 05:52:30 pm »
Victoria, the main reason why I still play SFC is that its based on SFB (one of my favorite board games).  There will most lilkely never be another game based on SFB again which means I will be playing SFC for a looooooooooonnnnnggg time. 

And I agree with pestilance.  I feel its is wrong to pay a monthly fee to play online.  If you pay a copy of a game in a store, you should have the right to play it free if it offers multiplayer.  That sounds an awful lot like how EA Sports works with its sports titles for example. 
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« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2005, 06:20:53 pm »
Yeah, in my opinion if it's pay to play, then you shouldn't have to pay to get yourself setup in the first place (as in buying the software).  Now a lot of those games come with a few months free that you might argue compensates for the price of the game, but it' better cover it all, in my opinion.  Otherwise it's just double dipping as far as I'm concerned.

I play SFC for a lot more reasons than it just being SFB based, though.  I appreciate it, having played SFB in my youth (which makes it a little more familiar), and truthfully the claim that it was based on SFB was the reason I gave this Trek game a shot after not having bought Trek games for a long time due to their history of being just bad.  I thought, "well, if it's based on that they've got at least a good base" and they did.  I continue to play it, though, because it is a deep and diverse game, many things to do and learn and diversity of function between all of it's elements.

The thing that gets me is the diversity of the game.  You can't use a Plasma the same as Photon, or an ESG, it just wouldn't work. It requires different strategies in order to get hits, and so forth.  They are just completely different, which is something a lot of Trek games don't offer.  In a lot of the others a Photon is a Disruptor, is a you name it.  They all work the same, they all take the same essential tactic to get them to work, it's a no brainer.  Take the biggest gun line it up and press the button, which is unfortunate since Trek offers such a great field of depth, which SFB/SFC demonstrates, it's unfortunate that more folks don't take advantage of the possabilities.

I do have to say that the concept behind STO does interest me, but with no PvP I do find myself thinking I would get bored.  Now, it would afford me to finally get a chance to play Fed for once (I always take a different faction if possible because so many folks play Fed and so few play the other races.  I guess everyone wants to be like their heros on screen.  Of course my heroes were Mark Leonard as the Romulan commander, and various Klingons.  Man they were cool, but that Romulan commander, boy he was the slickest of the slick.  Even though he died), but fighting the AI for months, where does that go really?  What I'm wanting is an expanded dynaverse setting.  Something where you create the universe through your conquests, online, fighting to keep territory and whatnot.   Something on that scale might be worth paying to play month, after month.

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« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2005, 11:08:30 pm »
   Victoria if you want to try a Trek MMO. soon this will be coming out in June and it is nonprofit fan made game.It is called Destiny's Wind.Go here and real all about it.

http://www.strategyplanet.com/stgd/

  It is the hard talk at the upper right hand corner if Victoria does return after the treatment she got in this thread I am unsure.
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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2005, 07:37:26 pm »
Actually I went over to Gamespy after Mplague died and so did a few others, though many people didn'tand I would have liked to keep in touch with a few of them. Anyways I think Star Trek Online is a great idea, partly because it is what Star Trek is all about. There are a few reasons a lot of Star Trek games haven't done well and I think what is to blame is that no ST game to date has really captured what it is Star Trek is. Just a Thought.

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« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2005, 09:19:24 am »
Well I for one am looking forward to it, but I think its going to take alot to pull it off (for trekkers anyways)

It will be interesting to see how they pull space travel off, interactions on ships and exploration.  The benefit to MMO's is the constant content updates, along with the ability to play with thousands upon thousands of people.  (which is what you pay your monthly subscription for, and frankly with all the games I toy around with, not spending 50$ for a game I finish in 2 weeks is a blessing)


Far a MMO's with 0 pvp, City of Heroes started that way and has been very successful, you simply need good story lines to work with. 
What will push STO ahead will be the preliminary storyline, I feel as long as they follow a particular path and expand upon WRITTEN ST history, it will be a game to contend with the best.
Hopefully it will not follow the ST track record as of late, but I would place a bet it will be quite similiar to SW Galaxies.

I will buy it simply to live out a character in the trek world, hopefully it will hold my interest.

See you all there :)
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« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2005, 05:02:50 pm »
Well I for one am looking forward to it, but I think its going to take alot to pull it off (for trekkers anyways)

It will be interesting to see how they pull space travel off, interactions on ships and exploration.  The benefit to MMO's is the constant content updates, along with the ability to play with thousands upon thousands of people.  (which is what you pay your monthly subscription for, and frankly with all the games I toy around with, not spending 50$ for a game I finish in 2 weeks is a blessing)


Far a MMO's with 0 pvp, City of Heroes started that way and has been very successful, you simply need good story lines to work with. 
What will push STO ahead will be the preliminary storyline, I feel as long as they follow a particular path and expand upon WRITTEN ST history, it will be a game to contend with the best.
Hopefully it will not follow the ST track record as of late, but I would place a bet it will be quite similiar to SW Galaxies.

I will buy it simply to live out a character in the trek world, hopefully it will hold my interest.

See you all there :)

STO does have some PvP...your will be able to do pvp in the holodeck..

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Relax, train, or perhaps engage in PvP competitions with players networked from all over the galaxy. You may also be able to play other custom made holodeck programs made by other people!

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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #32 on: March 31, 2005, 05:10:02 pm »
I don't think that pvp is really that important. Now if you can be Romulan and you run into a Klingon well then maybe. Otherwise I think it could get stupid people just killing other people for no reason at all. There needs to be some common goal to be achieved maybe like killing Borg, or Romulans but not the Federation killing other members of the Federation.

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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #33 on: April 02, 2005, 05:59:18 pm »
Is there an official site for STO yet or somewhere I can get more information about the game?  Are the developers involved with the community yet?

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« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2005, 03:14:45 pm »
Is there an official site for STO yet or somewhere I can get more information about the game?  Are the developers involved with the community yet?


No official site yet, too early.  But the official forum where the developers are actively participating is here:

http://boards.startrek.com/community/messages.html?act=SF;f=15

Official FAQ is at the top.

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« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2005, 08:42:45 am »
Cool thanks Harry
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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2005, 06:16:18 pm »
Victoria...hmmm...limmee see...a Klingon with HOV?

You are only partially right.  Two killing events happened in fairly close proximity (I think about six months apart)...the one you mentioned and also SFC2...a game that promised much but delivered little.  A game that was out of specs to SFB and thus imbalanced with their experimentations on drones, bugs with pont defense, fighter problems, race imbalances,  and a DYNAVERSE that took them too long to put up.  And bugs...so many bugs to crical systems like the cloak.



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« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2005, 06:26:55 pm »
I suppose I should mention this...the third and last "blow" to the SFC community (which still survives) was self-inflicted.

When SFC OP came out the community initially rejected it.  That was due primarily to the presence of the X ships, which many players felt were "too much" (despite the fact that many of them flew more like SFC1 ships). 

Another thing I would say is that SFB is not the only reason why people still play SFC.  SFC is a game in its own right.  It has many of the elements of chess and survives because it is a very good thing to play once you master it.

Unfortunately SFC is not in the public domain and chess is.  One can only wonder what would have been the fate of "chess" had it been developed in the 20th century, and had it's rights owned by some company whose only real motive was to make a profit from the lowest common denominator.

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« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2005, 06:30:43 pm »
ok let me get into this discussion with some wise points to make anyone against paying to play think again.

Reasons you should pay to play

the main reason, the best reason the only reason you should EVER pay to play is if you like the game, because any arguments for or against this method begin and end at if you like the game. Because let's face it, it is obvious if you do not like the game I cannot convince you to pay to play it.

so first

1) you must like the game, and it must go beyond like. It is an addictive like, a game so good so fun so (well for this one) represtative of the star trek universe that you being a fan love it so much you have that burn to play it.

2) you could find alot more stupid things to waste 15 U.s dollars on a month. Whether it be some subscription to some game magazine, buying some stupid expensive food you like... going to McCdonalds everyday...or going to the movies twice a week or something. Point is there iS SOMETHING ELSE not worth it that you spend 15 u.s on a month that you could cut out to afford to play this game.

3) most new games cost about average 49.99 u.s for the PC, divide that by 15 and you get 3. Now I don;t know about you but most games I buy, half life 2...doom 3, starfleet command, most the trek games, I stopped playing after 3 months... I MIGHT go back to it later with mods etc etc...but as it is stand alone... stop playing. And for one month at 15 dollars you could decide whether or not it is a game you want ot keep playing, plus im sure they will have free trials to do that.

4) in life there are not many things we find to enjoy so much, so if you find that you DO actually like the game... don't let a 15 dollar fee a month deter you. This point here is targeted at people who play the game and like it, but say that because they have to pay to continue to play they will back out. If you like it.. 15 dollars a month is not too much for something you enjoy.

5) how much money do you make? I am not rich I am not poor, I am not well off.. I have a house a car a job... and a computer...and I'm married with a baby on the way I have resposibilities and U.S dollars is twice my dollars...but if I liked the game 30 dollars a month is not something I would find difficulty paying in terms of money... The only people who would find difficulty paying that might be minimum wage people. And I doubt most star trek gamers are minimum wage.

I guess my whole argument for pay to play is aimed at people who CAN afford 15 a month but just can't get over the idea of paying to play, even though it is a game you will enjoy.... I mean what do you want to do with 15 dollars every month that is more enjoyable than playing a game you like? You can't take the money with you when you die, and maybe in 4-5 years time you won't even be interested in playing games... so do something you enjoy, while you can enjoy it.

15 month is  $180 / year. after 5  years thats less than $1000 saved.... lets be realistic saving less than 1000 every year is NOT ideal.

15 is too negligable and amount to say you won't pay it for something you like....


that is all thanks

btw im a police officer...so you know I dont make much money.  I would more wish I had 15 hours a month to myself to play it, than 15 dollars to pay.