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Lyr, Pig I got your PMs about being members of the Flying Cicus but being unable to access the forums. I deleted your memberships and re added you let me know if this fixed the problem. Also any other circus with the same issue please report it here, Stuckie #1 and Stuckie #2 have moderator status now so if my quick fix doesn't work I'll turn the problem over to them......that is what Stuckies are for anyhow