Topic: Quit being a party pooper Dallas. (Read 15337 times)

Slider · « **on:** April 17, 2005, 09:24:19 pm »

Sure you lock my thread but you let them ramble for days. Equal time bud

Dallas · « **Reply #1 on:** April 17, 2005, 09:27:12 pm »

Sorry if I have a life and I didn't catch it sooner.

This isn't up for debate, everyone needs to go take
their meds and chill out.

I love ya Slider but there will be no flame fests.

Slider · « **Reply #2 on:** April 17, 2005, 09:28:17 pm »

Its a poll not a Flame...its a gathering of opinion. Now unlock my thread before I stick a drone in your arse.

K9 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 18, 2005, 06:40:16 pm »

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
and then
ROTFLFAO

Slider · « **Reply #4 on:** April 18, 2005, 07:01:09 pm »

K9 you old mutt how are ya. As you can see im still the Don Quixote of the forums.

K9 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 18, 2005, 07:05:15 pm »

Well slider Im old.

Its good to see you Mini, duck, Dfly, and a few of the old old old (did I say old?) timers still around.

Its great that you guys still care enough to put up with the obivious BS that still seems to stalk this league.

Slider · « **Reply #6 on:** April 18, 2005, 07:10:00 pm »

yea, i cant believe im still around. lol. Well I havent been all that much. Just recently resurface and dug my disk out of the back yard. (Yes i really buried it.)

As always its all my fault Im the mean forum flamer, im the one cussing and screaming like a british greek goat with herpes.

K9 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 18, 2005, 07:12:27 pm »

I told you a long time ago you were a jerk and you didnt beleive me. Now I bet you do ;0

Slider · « **Reply #8 on:** April 18, 2005, 07:15:33 pm »

I know you were right, *sigh* I am a jerk...and Whoo did bury that GZ code. That bastige.

I still luv you though. <3

K9 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 18, 2005, 07:21:51 pm »

Your full of first Slider.

As far as I can recall your the only admin that stuck around.

Generally after being an admin here you have to either shoot yourself in the foot and leave, or be admitted to a psych ward.

No admin has ever stuck around and played the game afterward.

Except you.

So your not only a jerk but you have a very high tolerance for ignorance.

I imagine your much like a starfish on a rock at the edge of the ocean. Sure it would be easier to let go, get out of the pounding surf, to get your meal, But you look soo much cooler hanging on the rock.

KHH Jakle · « **Reply #10 on:** April 19, 2005, 09:36:15 am »

Quote from: K9 on April 18, 2005, 07:21:51 pm

Generally after being an admin here you have to either shoot yourself in the foot and leave, or be admitted to a psych ward.

No admin has ever stuck around and played the game afterward.

I resemble that remark...

Although, should I get my new system, there may be two of us.

Slider · « **Reply #11 on:** April 19, 2005, 10:06:59 am »

ok here is a reasonale question i should have maybe asked years ago. I'll ask here amoung you whom know me.

Why do you put up with it?

I sorta understood Whoo's its a business, thing but even in business when people get abusive they are escorted from the premise and you have a right not to deal with them, especially if it will adversly effect your other customers.

IN the case here its a group of SFC enthusiasts whom for the most part share a certain sportsmanship code and are generally friendly toward each other.

I mean I can understand why they are mad at me, I dont put up with them, I stand up to them, I bash them on the forums with their own posts.

So again, Why put up with the abussiveness.

KHH Jakle · « **Reply #12 on:** April 19, 2005, 11:41:04 am »

Couple things to think about:

This 'league' is run off of a forum, belonging to people who largely never come down in here. Now that there is all this drama, they feel the need to police it. The nice thing about this relative to the GZ forums, as you actually do have totally disinterested parties enforcing things based off of how they see things - which is unbiased as I see it.

Realisitcally, if people don't want to put up with it, the only choice they have is to stop playing, or to try to pick up stakes and move somewhere else and disinvite the group that is percieved as causing the issue.

Thing is - who the hell want's to set that up?

What you have here, with these forums, is largely neutral territory. We've been given a parcel of land by a higher, unconcerned power to do as we like - so long as we play nice. The only thing that's needed is one poor schlub to act as moderator.

Kel has served as that for this cycle. He won't be doing it again, so it will roll to someone else next cycle - Kroma I believe. While it may be ideal to have a totally uninterested party be the moderator, it is totally unrealistic to expect that. What person - who's totally disinterested and doesn't play - is going to be willing to donate their time and energy out of pure genorosity?

I heard the same thing when I was admining GZ "you shouldn't be a player and an admin" - Jesus - you find somebody who want's the job and has no interest in playing. You do that, they would be a golden admin - although I am certain some would still find ways to percieve actions in certain light

Until then, and as long as we all still want to play matches like this, we're stuck with what we've got and each other. Might as well make the most of it and play nice.

Whoo · « **Reply #13 on:** April 21, 2005, 04:06:26 pm »

Well my "it's a business" attitude went a bit beyond that.
First off, you are dealing with alot of variables, internet connections, personalities, game flaws and even the occasional hack/cheat.
You can't realisitically expect to toss every person who takes the game seriously enough to vent an arguement on a public forum and stay open. It's a competive outlet, and tempers will flare. Problem is (disagreeing with Jakle) the ONLY person who could realistically admin a game is someone who not only is involved in the game but also has a passion for the game and understands the quirks that go with it.

The problem isnt that there are arguements, disagreements and fights...
The problem is too many people get involved in public disputes and refuse to resolve things outside of the forums...
In other words people let other people get to them.

Too few admins understood this.

Slider · « **Reply #14 on:** April 21, 2005, 05:27:29 pm »

I learned throughout my time online just how incredible different people are. I mean there are people who talk to you everyday and act friendly but secretly harbor anger toward you. Yet there are people whom ive seldom spoke to only later to find that after 1 or 2 games we are fast friends.

There are people whom have strong opinions and those who dont.

There are people who judge people carefully and those who label quickly.

I rememeber thinking the first time I went to post on SL...."If I do this...If I take a position....some will hate me and spread the word, most will not even read what I write, some will applaud what I say but never acknowledge it for fear of joining me in the effigy set up by the first group.

So is it better to be silent....or vocal? To be private, or a politician who will have to measure everyword.

I think that decision comes from having a passion for the game or not.

Sure you cant win them all but would we have been better off without the arguements? Surprisingly....the answer is yes. I think arguements remind people its just a game and not worth it especially if their level of "commitment" is only cursury.

While I enjoy a great debate and still have some with my good friend Ronin to this day, I find most of the things I pressed for eventually would have come to pass regardless. All I did by posting about using Starbases models as ships to decrease weopon ranges for example was to upset 20-30 people (who now had to deal with accusations and fallout). It took me a long time to see that sometimes it takes time for the vine to crush the tree but eventually it does.

One thing I did learn fast was that cursing to get a point accross was admiting defeat. I would see that often people who engaged in colorful language did so to hide lack of facts or logical thinking. Flat out they had an agenda and sought to intimidate others by challengin them to pointless games or just cursing for the sake of cursing. Of course thats never the case, and if you cuss just once...you'll hear about it forever.

So a person who wants to contribute and perhaps only has forum time is really in a quandry. So many things can go wrong more wrong than right. Like a favorite saying in football, "When you throw the ball 3 things can happen 2 of them are bad." this is also true for human communication and interactions especially when the following is not observed.

1. I,understand we are all different and all have at least at the starting point some opinion, even if its not well supported in facts.
2. I thnk people need to be open minded: willing to consider the welfare of all the participants and not just their own position.
3. When you do encounter me online I am respectful, curtious and honorable. It costs me nothing and in the long run the friends ive made are the ones worth keeping.
4. If you cant say something good about someone dont. (ie ISC are leaving....good)
5. Have a sence of humor...most people post out of passion not hate. However if there is name calling I tend to believe there is fear anger and hate behind it. (if you laughed at number 4 then you know what I mean, If you PM'd your friends to drive my karma down by 7 points a day then please refer to Yoda "Fear leads to anger anger leads to hate hate leads to sufferng)

I guess in 5 years, I have more regrets about forums than anything else....I guess if I could go back to that first post on the SL forums id hit the delete key before even posting.

However I did learn alot about people and group mentalities. It goes along way in day to day life and if your going to make mistakes (which i have and Jakle and Whoo will love to point out) I think that Ive gotten way more out of the experience by trying to communicate, than those silent missing who just walked out on the game simply because it was too much emotional energy to care.

I think if we argue not to fight, but to clear things up and come to a mutually accceptable condition, then thats what its all about. I dont think its posible to interact and Never fight or argue. I think thats human as long as there is respect.

K9 · « **Reply #15 on:** April 26, 2005, 07:05:09 am »

Seems to me to simply be the nature of the beast. At best an organized league is doomed to fail at some point due to new games and at worst gets destructive by its very nature. I mean come on its awfully hard to ask people to get involved in a game, then become competitive with one another for months if not years and to also be firends. I mean this type of gamming will never be the same as a friendly game of pool, and people get shot everyday all over the country over a friendly game of pool.

I agree you have to not only be a player to be an admin but you have to be an exceptional player to be a good admin. (probably why I was so bad at at). I allways liked the way we had good guy admins and bad guy admins when we did GZ. Hit them with a rock (me generally) then when the smoothing came along (Whoo, Jackle) they were a lot more intrested in listening to reason.

Whoo · « **Reply #16 on:** April 28, 2005, 11:17:22 am »

Actually you were a big pain in the ass...

But I still love ya anyways

K9 · « **Reply #17 on:** April 29, 2005, 05:40:50 am »

You mean like hemerriod pain, or like jalapenio pain?

Whoo · « **Reply #18 on:** April 29, 2005, 01:37:53 pm »

Sitting on a bed of hot coals while a goat tugs at your privates type pain.

K9 · « **Reply #19 on:** April 29, 2005, 01:42:27 pm »

Billy goat or Mountain goat?

lol

Whoo · « **Reply #20 on:** April 29, 2005, 01:44:12 pm »

When hes chewing on your privates, does it honestly matter what kind of goat?

K9 · « **Reply #21 on:** April 29, 2005, 01:45:11 pm »

lol.. I guess no.

Payne · « **Reply #22 on:** April 29, 2005, 03:52:33 pm »

Interesting talk for a couple old farts

Heya goobers hows things

Slider · « **Reply #23 on:** April 29, 2005, 04:24:04 pm »

who let Payne out of the boiler room again!!!

K9 · « **Reply #24 on:** April 29, 2005, 05:53:09 pm »

Woof Payne.

Good to see you also... or am I chewing on your privates with "goat like tenacity" as well

2Hot2Handle · « **Reply #25 on:** April 30, 2005, 08:41:01 am »

Hmmm looks like a old timers meeting in here. Shouldn't you all be taking a nap or something? I know I'm due for my sponge bath soon.

P.S. Slider you were a pain in the arse. But we loved you anyways!!!!!!!!!!!!!
actually a couple of times I hated locking your threads or banning you just because I wanted to say the same things.

Now where is my nurse with that sponge ?

K9 · « **Reply #26 on:** May 01, 2005, 02:13:02 pm »

FYI, Im spending the summer in West YellowStone park. And then will be in Florida all winter. If anyone is heading that way yell and we can BB-Q some meat and get drunk.

K9

PM me for e-mail

Whoo · « **Reply #27 on:** May 02, 2005, 07:36:31 am »

Florida? What did we ever do to you?

Whoo · « **Reply #28 on:** May 02, 2005, 07:41:30 am »

Oh for all you fuzzy nuts who want to keep in touch I have a website up (in design) with forums. Just PM me for the addy and feel free to yack away.

Slider · « **Reply #29 on:** May 02, 2005, 08:54:18 am »

sure send it to me

(picks up gas can)

Juuuuuust kiddding.

KHH Jakle · « **Reply #30 on:** May 02, 2005, 09:45:22 am »

Quote from: Whoo on May 02, 2005, 07:41:30 am

Oh for all you fuzzy nuts who want to keep in touch I have a website up (in design) with forums. Just PM me for the addy and feel free to yack away.

you can send it to me as well

Whoo · « **Reply #31 on:** May 02, 2005, 12:10:48 pm »

Done.
Sent one to you and to Ronin. If you guys want a forum (KHH) be it private or otherwise I can set you a full one or join on with the current one.
Keep in mind there is no gaming requirement here, I just wanted a forum for a few of the ol' timers to keep in touch.

KHH Jakle · « **Reply #32 on:** May 02, 2005, 12:36:00 pm »

Thanks - but the ridge heads at KHH has shown repeatedly over the years their inability to manage more than one forum at a time.

Our old ass Yahoogroup (created after the demise of SL to keep the group together in the interim) has proven to be the only thing they use

Whoo · « **Reply #33 on:** May 02, 2005, 01:55:22 pm »

Gotcha, the ol' "why fly when the model T still runs" philosophy

2Hot2Handle · « **Reply #34 on:** May 04, 2005, 10:00:13 am »

Why are we talking about fuzzy nuts ?

Is Payne wearing short shorts again ?

KHH Jakle · « **Reply #35 on:** May 04, 2005, 10:21:31 am »

Quote from: Whoo on May 02, 2005, 01:55:22 pm

Gotcha, the ol' "why fly when the model T still runs" philosophy

Trust me - I tried.

Got them a forum on GZ - never used it
Got them a forum on Payne's SoV forum - never used it.

But they use the Yahoogroup all the time, clogging up my inbox.

The fact that you can expect a 30-60 minute delay just to deal with Duck's shiplist issues whenever their is a new OP rollout or D2 server sums it up as well.

Whoo · « **Reply #36 on:** May 04, 2005, 10:32:27 am »

Quote from: Black-Jak on May 04, 2005, 10:21:31 am

The fact that you can expect a 30-60 minute delay just to deal with Duck's shiplist issues whenever their is a new OP rollout or D2 server sums it up as well.

Point taken :-D

Whoo · « **Reply #37 on:** May 04, 2005, 10:34:01 am »

Quote from: 2Hot2Handle on May 04, 2005, 10:00:13 am

Why are we talking about fuzzy nuts ?

Is Payne wearing short shorts again ?

Always have to take it one step to far...

Now excuse me while I remove a mental image...

2Hot2Handle · « **Reply #38 on:** May 10, 2005, 10:29:13 pm »

was it something i said?

The_Joker · « **Reply #39 on:** May 11, 2005, 01:46:05 am »

Send an email to me with said URL Whoo. My addy has changed to stmcginnis@cox-net.

The one and Only IM/PGC The Joker

Payne · « **Reply #40 on:** May 13, 2005, 09:43:23 am »

Its nice out, of course I'm wearing my shorts.

Oh look a quarter *bends over letting things come "free"*

KHH Jakle · « **Reply #41 on:** May 13, 2005, 10:48:34 am »

Hey Fuzzy nuts - your SoV forum is down.....

Payne · « **Reply #42 on:** May 13, 2005, 03:56:11 pm »

$:-\$

Damn gremlins, its the gremlins I tell yah.

Working on getting them out of there.

2Hot2Handle · « **Reply #43 on:** May 14, 2005, 04:31:23 am »

If you dont stop bending over i am going to take your karma point back

By the way we not got a super group any more or what ?

Payne · « **Reply #44 on:** May 14, 2005, 09:05:09 am »

Yes theres still a sg, just changed it around a little.

Havent seen yah online for ages dummy, let me know when you will be on and I'll meet you.

762_XC · « **Reply #45 on:** May 14, 2005, 06:57:25 pm »

Payne, any word on the forums?

Whoo · « **Reply #46 on:** May 22, 2005, 08:21:42 am »

You guys are welcome to use our forums.

If you're interested send me a PM and I will set up a private area for ya.

762_XC · « **Reply #47 on:** May 22, 2005, 09:07:07 am »

We're set already, thanks for the offer Whoo.

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