Topic: Topical: WIP:Releasing NCC-1764 USS Defiant in time for "In a Mirror, Darkly"

[atheorhaven]

Seeing that the episode is coming up the 22nd, I undid the "ghosty" effect on this ship and am thinking about releasing it more or less how it shoud appear in the upcoming ep.

That is, if anyone is interested? 

Started with the SFC 3 version of it, so it'll take no time at all to get out the SFC 2 and SFC 1 version from there.

Just let me know if you guys want it..

(modded the title)

[Kaenyne]

I am MOST interested, sir! Connie junkie that I am.

[Rat Boy]

I like it!

[markyd]

Yep... I think its fair to say we all want the bugger 

[GarrethMacLeod]

Very nice. Just one question...how do you get the star field in your model viewer? mine just has a blue background with no place to change it that I can find

[atheorhaven]

Very nice. Just one question...how do you get the star field in your model viewer? mine just has a blue background with no place to change it that I can find

Pretty simple really.. Open the .MOD file in ModViewer, get it orientated as wanted, Alt-Print.  Go into PSP, paste as a new image, use the magic wand to select the blue area.  Open my background in another window, Select All, copy, go back to my original window, paste into selecttion.  Done. 

Trick here is to not have a blue area touching the blue of ModViewer, then the wand works without taking out a chunk of the ship itself.  The reason I sometimes post the shot from inside ModViewer is so that people can see how it actually looks in ModViewer as opposed to a render in Max.  But I hate the plain blue background..

[markyd]

rofl.... i thought then for a glimpse of a second their was gonna be a hidden function within the modviewer....

there ya go... anhoot... get working on the damn ship... looks way cool 

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

Has enterprise blown continuity again? I thought the defiant was NCC-1764.

Defiant, U.S.S. (NCC-1764)
Episode: TOS 064 - The Tholian Web
 

Caught in a spatial interphase in 2268 near Tholian territory, the starship was lost between dimensions for several hours until it finally faded completely into interspace forever. Its crew went insane due to adverse affects on humanoid neurophysiology by the interphased space

Your ship looks terrific though

[Rat Boy]

It's hard to tell if it's an 8 or a 6 in the one picture released so far, but one would think that since the Trek art department assigned it the number 1764, that'd be the one they'd use.


Oh, and Alec, do you happen to have textures for the Yorktown, NCC-1717?

[ModelsPlease]

Great work Alec, I look forward to grabbing this gem.
-MP

[Chris Johnson]

Also, as Rat Boy pointed out in the thread in the Holodeck forum, there are "inaccuracies" to the CGI ship in the upcoming two-parter episode.  After some thought today (when I got off working), I wouldn't really say they're as much inaccurate as it is small differences as it is with some ships of the same class of Starship, like the Constellation for example (from "The Doomsday Machine" [TOS]).  So, like the Constellation, the Defiant has some differences that make it unique from most other class of Starships while not being too different to be another class of Starship.  As he explained, there might be sharper curves on the saucer when compared to the U.S.S. Enterprise, and the Defiant's saucer is a little thicker, which explains how the registry looks like it was "slipping off", even though it's neatly stuck on.

What you did so far is nice, Atheorhaven.  Although I prefer the 6 over the 8, I still think it's a nice job.

[markyd]

Nice input Chris as always..... 

whew... that went straight over my head though... I need to study more trek obviously....

Personally.... 8/6 doesnt matter to me... easily changed... just make the model dude 

[Rat Boy]

I wouldn't really say they're as much inaccurate as it is small differences as it is with some ships of the same class of Starship, like the Constellation for example (from "The Doomsday Machine" [TOS]).

To be fair, Chris, you could right off most of the visual differences on the Constellation to the fact it got its butt whooped by the Planet Killer.

[atheorhaven]

It's hard to tell if it's an 8 or a 6 in the one picture released so far, but one would think that since the Trek art department assigned it the number 1764, that'd be the one they'd use.

Yeah, I think that was my mess-up... the textures I have on here now are pretty well the base Schtupp textures with the changed registries.  But these'll still need to be fixed, these give us the famous blue glow on the intercooler.. so I'll have to fix things yet on these.  (Hence WIP).  The 8 can be changed to a 6 in no time, it just involves changing things on two sets of textures, that's all.   

Oh, and Alec, do you happen to have textures for the Yorktown, NCC-1717?

Not yet, but easy enough to fix. 

If someone wants to provide me a list of ships and regs of the original 12 Connie's, I can bang out a set of Phull?1 and their illums, and the Warp1 pair as well so people can use whichever set they want on things. 

One thing though.. there's two Schtupp versions, so one set may or may not work on the other mesh. 

[Rat Boy]

Ask and ye shall receive:

USS Constitution NCC-1700
USS Constellation NCC-1017
USS Defiant NCC-1764
USS Eagle NCC-956
USS Endeavour NCC-1895
USS Enterprise NCC-1701
USS Essex NCC-1697
USS Excalibur NCC-1664
USS Exeter NCC-1672
USS Farragut NCC-1647
USS Hood NCC-1703
USS Intrepid NCC-1831
USS Kongo NCC-1710
USS Lexington NCC-1709
USS Potemkin NCC-1657
USS Republic NCC-1371
USS Yorktown NCC-1717


Admittedly, this isn't 12 ships, but it stands to reason that they commissioned a few more after Kirk said that line in "Tomorrow is Yesterday."

[Chris Johnson]

To be fair, Chris, you could right off most of the visual differences on the Constellation to the fact it got its butt whooped by the Planet Killer.

I doubt it shrunk the size of the Constellation's secondary hull and possibly other areas as well.  And besides, everybody says what's seen on-screen is canon.  Therefore, there are variances in the Constitution-class Starship design due to seeing the differences between the Enterprise and the Constellation in that episode, and therefore the Defiant is accurate enough to be a Constitution-class due to having the basic attributes of the said class of Starship design.  I will hold to this opinion.  Of course, yes, I don't always go canonical in things as I say, but I will in this case to justify the FX people's work.

[Rat Boy]

I doubt it shrunk the size of the Constellation's secondary hull and possibly other areas as well.

Uh, Chris, there weren't any such differences between the two models; both the AMT model and the shooting model are so close in proportion that any differences (and there is no evidence that there are any differences) would be invisible to the human eye.  I think you're being facetious just for the sake of being so.

[Chris Johnson]

There are some differences between the Constellation and Enterprise, believe it or not.  A slightly smaller secondary hull at the very least, and probably some different details here and there.  It may not be as easy to recognize as the Defiant's different details, but the differences are there.  Atra probably noted them and included 'em in his Constitution-class model variants on his website, I know how sharp an eye he has simply by looking at his observations about things, drawing up valid theories about how this or that wasn't meant to be in the original concepts of the Enterprise in TOS, etc.

Besides, I don't believe there's any official book or statement that all starships of a class have to be exactly alike.  Trek nullified it when it came to sister ships of a certain class of Starship.  You have to know where to look in Trek to notice the subtle and not-so-subtle differences in sister ships in a specific class of Starship.

[atheorhaven]

Alright, fixed the registries to be what they should...

Also, played with creating spec maps for it as well.. something new for me.  Think it worked well...

[Rod ONeal]

Way cool, Alec! She looks fantastic. You need to get back into SFC a bit more fulltime, IMHO.

I also agree with Chris. It makes sense, to me as well, that there would be differences between Connies. Each one would most likely have some advancements/refinements, etc... Technology marches on, after all.

[ModelsPlease]

Way cool, Alec! She looks fantastic. You need to get back into SFC a bit more fulltime, IMHO.

I also agree with Chris. It makes sense, to me as well, that there would be differences between Connies. Each one would most likely have some advancements/refinements, etc... Technology marches on, after all.

I agree as well Great work Alec !!! And it totally makes sence that there should be subtle differences in each ship.
-MP

[atheorhaven]

Way cool, Alec! She looks fantastic. You need to get back into SFC a bit more fulltime, IMHO.

I also agree with Chris. It makes sense, to me as well, that there would be differences between Connies. Each one would most likely have some advancements/refinements, etc... Technology marches on, after all.

I'd love be doing this more fultltime again, but my new job and family life takes a lot of time.  I've never been happier at work (I get to advise guys all day long on how they can help others fix computer problems), but I put in close to 10 hour days now there.  And then when I get home, if I'm on the computer too long, my wife gets cranky (seeing I'm "on it all day as it is at work".)  You know how that goes...

I do what I can when I can... but its delayed projects like the Lief Ericcson (down to under 15,000 polies now and just missing two textures now) and my own stuff.

At any rate, I uploaded her to Battleclinic last night in all three versions (1, 2, and 3)... so she's up there for the grabbing. 

As always, if anyone wants to send me a screenie of her ingame doing something awesome, please feel free... that's one of *my* SFC-candy points. 

Send it to my Gmail account (atheorhaven at gmail dot com) and you won't have to worry about it filling my inbox. 

[Rod ONeal]

Hey Alec,
Check out the "Q3 documentation thread" in the open source forum. I know that you were very interested in this aspect of the source code. While the SFC source has stagnated, there has been some progress in the Q3 (2D interface) source.

While I can't tell the dif between code and a grocery list, you might find it interesting.

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

Looks Great! Nice work1

[CaptainTombs]

man i hope someone creates a tholian space dock to go with this it looks awesome

[atheorhaven]

man i hope someone creates a tholian space dock to go with this it looks awesome

Anyone have any reference pictures for that space dock yet?

[markyd]

Sorry it took me so long to get back to this.. but it looks fantastic... great job dude 

[CaptainTombs]

here is a screenie of what i could get from the ep hope it helps

[Don Karnage]

Ask and ye shall receive:

USS Constitution NCC-1700
USS Constellation NCC-1017
USS Defiant NCC-1764
USS Eagle NCC-956
USS Endeavour NCC-1895
USS Enterprise NCC-1701
USS Essex NCC-1697
USS Excalibur NCC-1664
USS Exeter NCC-1672
USS Farragut NCC-1647
USS Hood NCC-1703
USS Intrepid NCC-1831
USS Kongo NCC-1710
USS Lexington NCC-1709
USS Potemkin NCC-1657
USS Republic NCC-1371
USS Yorktown NCC-1717


Admittedly, this isn't 12 ships, but it stands to reason that they commissioned a few more after Kirk said that line in "Tomorrow is Yesterday."

just one thing: the Endeavour is NCC-1716, for the rest you seem to have for it. 

for the model well i want it, i will add it to my colection

[Rat Boy]

The Endeavour's number is derived from the list generated for the Star Trek Encyclopedia, and since the VFX people used the number from that list on the Defiant, it stands to reason that the other numbers are pretty much valid at this point.

[atheorhaven]

Just a quick update:

I have all the base SFC 1 textures completed as per the above list at this point, am currently working on the illuminations for SFC 2 and SFC 3 versions.

I've decided to use the same base ship and package as I did for the Darkly Defiant release... I will even include that one in the downloads.  So with what you see in the Defiant release, expect the same with this release.  That'll be, a SFC 1, SFC 2, and SFC 3 release.

(edit: Alright, completed the illuminations.    These'll be ready for release as soon as I sort them all out into SFC 1, SFC 2, and SFC 3 versions.  But here's what I'm going to do.  For all the textures that are the same, they'll be in the root directory of the archive.  For the differing regs and such, they'll be in their own directories under the root.  Then, when you want to play a ship... just copy the root files, plus the files in a subdirectory int a single directory, and your ship should lhave all the textures are be ready to rock and roll).

I'll give you an example of the final result here... here's the Lexington:

[CaptainTombs]

does anyone want more screenies of the tholian dock from in a mirror,darkly part 2 ?