Topic: Poll on GW5 X-ships

[FPF-DieHard]

Just gathering some feedback for future use

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

I like the toned down X ships.

I think the job done with them was AOK.

[madelf]

Their introduction date is WAY too early.  No one used HDWs or anything else.  They're ruining the variety of the game.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Don't like 'em.  Prefer the "Iron captains Wooden ships" approach

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Their introduction date is WAY too early. No one used HDWs or anything else. They're ruining the variety of the game.

I agree they may have been introduced too early, but they are much better than the taldren X-ships.

[TheJudge]

I really would have enjoyed playing them on the server if I'd stuck around that long.  Got too frustrated before that point though.  Did like them in practice sessions though. 

[Hexx]

I dislike the HDW's anyway
Xships were fine

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

I dislike the HDW's anyway
Xships were fine

agreed. 

[WarSears]

I love them just enough Cheese but not to much.

[ShadowLord]

Didnt mind them-- actually LOVED to fly the romulan SKX...fantastic little DD..

My only comment about X ships-- even the little Frigs is they make just about every other ship obsolete... My guess is I can beat about any fed HC hell other then carries and BCF/BCG/BCJ by using a X class DD(frig)..

ShadowLord

X Frigs --- really were fun to fly and great to use vs PF's and fighters

[FPF-DieHard]

X Frigs --- really were fun to fly and great to use vs PF's and fighters

That is the point 

[FPF-DieHard]

My only comment about X ships-- even the little Frigs is they make just about every other ship obsolete... My guess is I can beat about any fed HC hell other then carries and BCF/BCG/BCJ by using a X class DD(frig)..

I'm not sure about this, I think in many cases the X DDs are about equal to the CCHs of the different races.  They still have the hull of a DD and fall apart after a few hits.  I think a Fast cruiser will still win the fight as the X -powercurve isn't even a factor.

In an NHK, I was able to beat F-DDX and F-DGX ships in training fights.  Granted the NHK is the "mother of all CCHs" but te F-DDX is the best X DD.

This could be fun to test some time more thoroughly.

[WarSears]

I think I heard that some of the X ships had 25 to 35 spare parts if this is true they need to come down. I would think the same as a line ship would be good.

[ShadowLord]

Die Hard--

Would love to play test that with you -- you get a NHK -- I will fly the SKX --
I have two plasma S -- 8 ph 1

You have 7 ph 1 2 S torps and 2 F torps -

My opinion is I kick your arse based on the power curve issue..could be wrong but would love to play test it..

ShadowLord

[Corbomite]

You didn't have an indifferent option so I guess I would have to say given a choice I'd rather have the HDW's. More variety, more fun and no restrictions.

[FPF-DieHard]

Die Hard--

Would love to play test that with you -- you get a NHK -- I will fly the SKX --
I have two plasma S -- 8 ph 1

You have 7 ph 1 2 S torps and 2 F torps -

My opinion is I kick your arse based on the power curve issue..could be wrong but would love to play test it..

ShadowLord

D2 Load outs?  I'm game.

[Corbomite]

Die Hard--

Would love to play test that with you -- you get a NHK -- I will fly the SKX --
I have two plasma S -- 8 ph 1

You have 7 ph 1 2 S torps and 2 F torps -

My opinion is I kick your arse based on the power curve issue..could be wrong but would love to play test it..

ShadowLord

D2 Load outs?  I'm game.

Not even a contest. The NHK should own.

[Kroma BaSyl]

Die Hard--

Would love to play test that with you -- you get a NHK -- I will fly the SKX --
I have two plasma S -- 8 ph 1

You have 7 ph 1 2 S torps and 2 F torps -

My opinion is I kick your arse based on the power curve issue..could be wrong but would love to play test it..

ShadowLord

D2 Load outs?  I'm game.

Not even a contest. The NHK should own.

Agreed, the SKX hull just won't hold up over the long hall.

[ShadowLord]

Excellent -- 3 players so far agree that the NHK should win -- D2 loadouts FULL-- we do it via IP or GSA -- tonight? or over the weekend and DONT Spoil my fun by playtesting it with anyone before we get down and dirty..

I am really looking forward to this..

ShadowLord

[Capt Jeff]

Plasma X's seemed pretty well balanced...

What about other races?   While the plasma X's get upgrades to the types of plasma   (ie.CMX has 2 R's, 2 S's), what does say, the F-CLX get?  I see 2 extra phaser 1's, but the same photon load out.  196 BPV compared to 260 of the CMX.

[Kroma BaSyl]

Plasma X's seemed pretty well balanced...

What about other races?   While the plasma X's get upgrades to the types of plasma   (ie.CMX has 2 R's, 2 S's), what does say, the F-CLX get?  I see 2 extra phaser 1's, but the same photon load out.  196 BPV compared to 260 of the CMX.

The CLX is a DH creation for this server, as a rough equavilant to the HDX and SPX NOT the CMX which is where the CX matches up.

The thing to keep in mind about a fed ship having a lower BPV though is that it doesn't include the fast drone cost or combat effectiveness.

[FPF-DieHard]

Plasma X's seemed pretty well balanced...

What about other races?   While the plasma X's get upgrades to the types of plasma   (ie.CMX has 2 R's, 2 S's), what does say, the F-CLX get?  I see 2 extra phaser 1's, but the same photon load out.  196 BPV compared to 260 of the CMX.

Plasma X is a joke.   I'll let Corbo eleborate on that.

CMX is a Heavy, CLX is a light.   Compare the Fed CLX to the G-HDX and R-SPX.   that is more accurate

I pulled the CLX out of my ass, that is a DH ship.  it has 6 Photons jeff, time to get your eyes checked  

[Kroma BaSyl]

Plasma X's seemed pretty well balanced...

What about other races?   While the plasma X's get upgrades to the types of plasma   (ie.CMX has 2 R's, 2 S's), what does say, the F-CLX get?  I see 2 extra phaser 1's, but the same photon load out.  196 BPV compared to 260 of the CMX.

Plasma X is a joke.   I'll let Corbo eleborate on that.

Not positive, but I think he mean X ships with plasma in general, NOT the Plasma X weapon.

[Age]

  Yes. I like the non Taldren X ships that are used on the Dyna but I would like to seea few changes made to them.I haven't played with them that much.

[Corbomite]

Plasma X is a joke.   I'll let Corbo eleborate on that.

Plasma X and Plasma E are just fine. They were the only X-Weapons Taldren got right IMO.

[FPF-Jem]

Didnt mind them-- actually LOVED to fly the romulan SKX...fantastic little DD..

My only comment about X ships-- even the little Frigs is they make just about every other ship obsolete... My guess is I can beat about any fed HC hell other then carries and BCF/BCG/BCJ by using a X class DD(frig)..

ShadowLord

X Frigs --- really were fun to fly and great to use vs PF's and fighters

Bit late to the discussion (Heavy work schedules been keeping me occupied) but I disagree, the older ships with good power curves I think can give many of the GW5 X-ships a run for their money.

[FPF-DieHard]

Well Duck and I just did the NHK vesus SKX . . .

after an 1:20, I accidently flew off the map with a total of 18 internals scored.

Seems close enoug to me 

[Corbomite]

Oh that doesn't count. Do it again.

[Nemesis]

I like them.  Were the other races also converted?  Is so I want a copy.  I always disliked the X-Ships in SFB and in SFC2:OP because unlike all that went before they were not incremental improvements.   

A K-D7K vs a well played K-D7B but lose without being incompetent.  A K-D7W could only win vs a K-D7X by an improbable level of incompetence on the X ships player. 

Each generation could be beaten by the prior generation, until the X-Ships come along.  Also these X-Ships lack one thing - weaknesses.  In any non X ship you always have vulnerabilities, the X-Ships don't. 

[Corbomite]

Each generation could be beaten by the prior generation, until the X-Ships come along.  Also these X-Ships lack one thing - weaknesses.  In any non X ship you always have vulnerabilities, the X-Ships don't. 

Sure they do : Bad tactics.

[Nemesis]

Each generation could be beaten by the prior generation, until the X-Ships come along.  Also these X-Ships lack one thing - weaknesses.  In any non X ship you always have vulnerabilities, the X-Ships don't. 

Sure they do : Bad tactics.

That is not a weakness in the ship but in the Captain.

[Corbomite]

Each generation could be beaten by the prior generation, until the X-Ships come along.  Also these X-Ships lack one thing - weaknesses.  In any non X ship you always have vulnerabilities, the X-Ships don't. 

Sure they do : Bad tactics.

That is not a weakness in the ship but in the Captain.

A squirrel's gotta find his acorns where he may.

[Wraith 413]

 The only 1v1 match I had during GW5 was my DGX vs Shin32's SKX. Although we each had an AI partner, they beat up on each other and stayed out of our fight.  It was a very good match and matchup, ship and player wise. I'd give the nod to the DGX, by a hair.  It was a treat to fly the DGX, I never saw the DDX in the limited amount of time I was online. Sounds like a nice ship though.

                                                                         Wraith 413

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Yeah, I don't ever recall seeing a DDX in the yards either.

[FPF-DieHard]

Yeah, I don't ever recall seeing a DDX in the yards either.

I had one, great little ship     Would have killed Hexx much faster in that one

[Hexx]

Yeah, I don't ever recall seeing a DDX in the yards either.

I had one, great little ship     Would have killed Hexx much faster in that one

  ... oh wait, no, that's not funny
Face it DH you've gotten old and slow, get me out of a plasma boat and you don't stand a chance

[Kroma BaSyl]

Yeah, I don't ever recall seeing a DDX in the yards either.

I had one, great little ship     Would have killed Hexx much faster in that one

  ... oh wait, no, that's not funny
Face it DH you've gotten old and slow, get me out of a plasma boat and you don't stand a chance

Rumor has it Hexx is an Ace with an escape pod.

[FPF-DieHard]

Yeah, I don't ever recall seeing a DDX in the yards either.

I had one, great little ship     Would have killed Hexx much faster in that one

  ... oh wait, no, that's not funny
Face it DH you've gotten old and slow, get me out of a plasma boat and you don't stand a chance

Rumor has it Hexx is an Ace with an escape pod.

I thought the cabinboys used a mop?   

[Hexx]

Yuck it up you two.
I'm sure after I annihilate you both on Mirror²
You'll be singing a different tune..

[FPF-DieHard]

Yuck it up you two.
I'm sure after I annihilate you both on Mirror²
You'll be singing a different tune..

"Hexx is my Bitch in D minor"