Topic: player balance

[deadmansix]

 you know,I have played a few servers over the years and seen the balance of players swing back and forth during the day sometimes for the alliance and sometimes for the coallition,and I have heard complaining from both sides about numbers,some times it is true sometimes not and it was just a matter of perception and time of day.
  but never have I seen in all the time I have played this game a server so one sided as this one man its so one sided that even I am thinking of throwing in the towel and waiting until the next server,it is so one sided that it has gotten to the point that it is not fun anymore, not just frustrating,not fun, and I don't quit servers but this one I am getting close to doing so its is so bad,and the sad thing is I don't know or have any clue as to what I can suggest to help this situation. now I am used to 2-3 to 1 odds but when its almost constantly 5-8 to 1 and that is what its been constantly (have been keeping track through th day) if any one has any idea how to fix this please speak up because this will kill the game faster than any OOB dispute or flaming.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

My advice deadman is to have PvP fun if that will keep you going, don't worry about the map or VCs, as the server has long been decided anyhow.  Just give the credit to the coalition recruiting and congratulate them.  It isn't the first time it has happened, anyhow, I remember switching sides on Ragnarok from Kzin to Klingon when a similar situation happened, the Klingon economy was so wrecked I started in a freighter as did Matsukasi and a couple of others.  If you can find some fun do it, if you can't there is nothing wrong with putting it on the shelf, until a more balanced server appears.

[CaptJosh]

** I'm cranky and I need a nap. I didn't have a good time on the server
but I wish everyone would have a great day.**

[WarSears]

Pardon my language, Chuut, but forget that! For future reference, the  Klinks who have such a damned hardon for the feds should not be allowed to fly on a server where it's one Coalition race(Romulans) versus 2 Alliance races with the Feds as junior partners and only having a minor amount of territory. Because those pilots would, as they did this time, insist on steamrolling what little fed space there is, when the truth is, it's unrealistic. In a real war scenario, when such a wholesale invasion was being made, the Federation would have dispatched at least a battlegroup, if not an entire fleet. The Romulan Incursion would have been beaten back soundly, while the Gorn would have taken the cue to invade Romulan Space wholesale while the Romulan border was so poorly defended.

This server in no way reflects the strategic nature of the actual General War. What it does refect is a number of Players  deciding they're going to throw real tactics out the window and get rid of the Federation at all costs on this server because they've got some kind of grudge. I swear, one of the rules should have been that Fed space is worth no VCs. Maybe then the Roms on GW5 would have fought an honest campaign.

As for PVP fun, it's impossible to have when all the Roms are flying in squadrons of three because they're a bunch of Wimps.

 
Oh and did I say 

BTW
 
 

[CaptJosh]

** I'm cranky and I need a nap. I didn't have a good time on the server
but I wish everyone would have a great day.**

[ShadowLord]

Ok -- this post is similar to the one started by Jinn --

So here comes several comments--

First off recognize that not having taken part in any dynaverse server other then the GW ones -- KHH is for the most part not involved in any "dyna history or politics" that being said -- Back on April 6 I think it was -- I posted that it would be possible to get 4 KHH Pilots to switch sides if the "powers that be" thought it would help -- (there are now 6 pilots from KHH flying in GW but 4 are fairly active)..anyways nobody said BOO about the offer..and then reading the bozo bit klingon forums I learned several players were going to switch so we took the offer off the table and continued to fly Romulan...
We really like the GW servers but  would much rather have  PVP combat -- we live for it -=- that is why we would have been willing to switch and help balance out the numbers.Again nobody got back to us and said that might help for the good of everyone..

Now as for the comments made by  CaptJosh  about they only fight in packs -- umm anyone in KHH will be more than willing to do a 1v1 PVP combat with you -- name the time and the hex -- without question I would rather you bring a wing and make it a 2v2 -- just because we like 2v2 games better but if you can't find a wing then 1v1 challenge is accepted..

My final comments might actually be somewhat on your side -- I myself thought the focus of this campaign was going to be gorn vs romulan with the feddies having a side note -- well it didn't work out that way..so  I have to give credit to Hexx for the assult plan he devised and LK for the time and effort he put into getting all the Klingon/Romulan pilots ready to fly.( I suppose you could also ask yourself why so many alliance pilots chose to fly FED instead of Gorn...)

Anyways -- I enjoy this server and best of all I enjoy keeping out of the "political" aspects because thats what destroyed the ladder leagues.

Capt -- send me a PM if you want to hook up for some 1v1 combat or better yet 2v2 -- I am on EST and can be online after 6.

KHH_ShadowLord
PuppyPower
Duck

[WarSears]

You're just mad because I've balls enough to call a spade a spade. You don't have to like it, but you know what, screw you too. I've never cared what anyone here thinks of me, and I'm not about to start now. If you don't like that I'm calling your side out on poor sportsmanship, do something to change the poor sportsmanship.

Wow you really dint mind making a ass out of your self. Show me me the bad spotmanship Are ARM sent out tones of PM and e-mails to get people to play on GW 5. Is that bad sortsman ship? Are RM and ARM had a plan to attack the race that could run faster missions and give us more trouble in PvsP. Is that poor sportsmanship? Just because more Coalition players showed up than alliances and are planed worked better than anyone would have guessed doesn't mean it is poor sportsmanship even if you don't like it.

[Davey-E]

Why are we arguing about something we are supposed to be having fun with ?

Look,
If the Server ain,t working out the way you want it to,
Maybe people should take a break from the server rather than try to get other people to live by their rules

Now i cant get on a lot this server (WORK DAMN IT  )
but i stil have fun,

The bottom line is that the Coalition (welll done to them) are a lot better organised than us in GW5 and have gotten more players on the server - Big Deal

[Grim]

As for PVP fun, it's impossible to have when all the Roms are flying in squadrons of three because they're a bunch of f*cking pussies!

Thats the nature of d2 josh, you are not allways going to get 1v1 battles a lot of times you will be outnumbered or your outnumber your enemy its just the way it is.

Its clear you have some issues with the current dyna and you have vented them, but seriously i think you have gone the wrong way about voicing them, leading to a possible flamewar. It would be best if this thread is locked and deleted.

[WarSears]

As for PVP fun, it's impossible to have when all the Roms are flying in squadrons of three because they're a bunch of f*cking pussies!

Thats the nature of d2 josh, you are not allways going to get 1v1 battles a lot of times you will be outnumbered or your outnumber your enemy its just the way it is.

Its clear you have some issues with the current dyna and you have vented them, but seriously i think you have gone the wrong way about voicing them, leading to a possible flamewar. It would be best if this thread is locked and deleted.

110% agreed.

[el-Karnak]

If you want guaranteed even PvP matches then you need to play GZLeague matches with PBR rules.

Let's be realistic here. Coalition leadership is doing a great job in every aspect of the D2 game.  Alliance leadership seems to be in a transition phase. There is a great opportunity here for someone to step up big-time, and take the "bull by the horns" ,so to speak, and recruit, and train, and get Alliance races back where they need to be; particularly the Feds.  I would find it very hard to believe that there are not enough potential OP players out there to replenish the Alliance ranks to match the Coalition.  In 2003, the alliance could always out-number the Coalition one dyna after another.

The only alternative is that some Coalition players have to start playing Alliance for now on cuz no potential Alliance players can be found.  Ummm...if this is the case then gimme a break.  Then you can stick a fork in this game. It's done.  Don't be banging your head on the wall anymore, and move on to other games.  *seriously*

[FPF-DieHard]

Josh, STFU.   Flying off the handle is never constructive (trust me, I wrote the book on that).  It causes people to become defensive and support a position even if they don't 100% agree with it.  No reasonable person can say GW5 is balanced, you're going off on people will make otherwise reasonable people take an un-resaonable possition.

It is not the Coalition's fault the the majority of the Alliance pilots did not show up, it's Dizzy's (or Fluf's, you decide).

Still blame Agave and Scipio though, that's allowed 

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

For future reference, the jackass Klinks who have such a damned hardon for the feds should not be allowed to fly on a server where it's one Coalition race(Romulans) versus 2 Alliance races with the Feds as junior partners and only having a minor amount of territory. Because those pilots would, as they did this time, insist on steamrolling what little fed space there is,

No one is forcing you to play on a server that you don't like the setup of.  If you don't like the strategy the other side uses thats not their problem.  

when the truth is, it's unrealistic. In a real war scenario, when such a wholesale invasion was being made, the Federation would have dispatched at least a battlegroup, if not an entire fleet. The Romulan Incursion would have been beaten back soundly, while the Gorn would have taken the cue to invade Romulan Space wholesale while the Romulan border was so poorly defended.

Its a game, how realistic do you expect it to be, the server admins can only present the battlefield and the playing pieces, not tell people how to use them unless you want even more rules.  You want real war visit Iraq

This server in no way reflects the strategic nature of the actual General War. What it does refect is a number of assholes deciding they're going to throw real tactics out the window and get rid of the Federation at all costs on this server because they've got some kind of grudge. I swear, one of the rules should have been that Fed space is worth no VCs. Maybe then the Roms on GW5 would have fought an honest campaign.

I seems to me the coalition tactics are working quite well given the setup of the VCs, if you have a problem with the VCs why are you complaining about the players on the other side?  Wouldn't the admins be a better place to take your concerns?, preferably before the start of the server.  

As for PVP fun, it's impossible to have when all the Roms are flying in squadrons of three because they're a bunch of f*cking pussies!

Then use some brains and try to jump individual ships as they move between hexes as one moves in and the other a bit later to draft, rather than calling the other side names for having the intelligence to use a strategy that is in their favor.

Josh take a break and reconsider your position, remember it is just a game.

[el-Karnak]

Maybe the time has come to take a roll call of the remaining Alliance players willing to play D2 continously and the Good Guys; particularly the Feds, in order to see exactly what the situation is Alliance player numbers-wise.  It'll be pretty easy to validate which ones on the roll call actually play on D2 dynas.

[FPF-DieHard]

Maybe the time has come to take a roll call of the remaining Alliance players willing to play D2 continously and the Good Guys; particularly the Feds, in order to see exactly what the situation is Alliance player numbers-wise.  It'll be pretty easy to validate which ones on the roll call actually play on D2 dynas.

I know EXACTLY waht went wrong.  The Alliance DOESN"T HAVE AN RM.  Nobody "pimp'd" for this server.   

Kroma and I are kinda defacto leaders but us Admin, we simply did not have time to Pimp our HOs.

This is our fault as admins, we dropped the ball.  We should have made sure the Alliance had a Zealous RM before going forward.

This will not happen again as Hexx will be the Alliance RM from now on!

[Hexx]

No, no I really think Josh should be allowed to continue this tirade.
Really
It's kinda amusing in a sad sort of way.

"Impossible to have PVP fun"
"Strategic Nature of the Genral War"
<snicker>

[Hexx]

Maybe the time has come to take a roll call of the remaining Alliance players willing to play D2 continously and the Good Guys; particularly the Feds, in order to see exactly what the situation is Alliance player numbers-wise.  It'll be pretty easy to validate which ones on the roll call actually play on D2 dynas.

I know EXACTLY waht went wrong.  The Alliance DOESN"T HAVE AN RM.  Nobody "pimp'd" for this server.   

Kroma and I are kinda defacto leaders but us Admin, we simply did not have time to Pimp our HOs.

This is our fault as admins, we dropped the ball.  We should have made sure the Alliance had a Zealous RM before going forward.

This will not happen again as Hexx will be the Alliance RM from now on!

Errrrr
Suddenly this thread isn't amusing anymore..

.
Although if you put Lyrans in the Alliance camp ...
And the "zealous Rm"=me is kinda funny..

[Ravok]

Josh let me give you some advice from someone who has been in a real war.

  1 War is never fair, and both sides are never even.
  2 No matter what plans you make, or strategy you plan for, will work the way you want it to. (S#it happens)
  3 You enemy is going to do his darnedest not to cooperate with you. Or do what you expect them to do.

  Adaptation and working with you have are the order of the day. Not logic and planning.

  As we used to say in the USAF. Suck it up and deal with it. THAT is the sign of a good commander.

 If you want order and logic go work in supply, and stay off the battlefield.

[FPF-DieHard]

BOTTOME LINE:   This server is not important enough to flame each other over.

If the Federation AI gets wiped out, so what?   There will be a new server soon enough.  In the meantime going out drinking an whoring, visit your family, go for a walk in the sun, life goes on.

It's a fricking game, understand that and it gets better.

[FPF-DieHard]

"Strategic Nature of the Genral War"
<snicker>

"Strategic Nature of D2" is even funnier