Topic: Why I no longer play this game.....

[kbf-jd]

Ok,  I logged on to GW5 today and ran some missions.  It's a nice server, seems stable and I LOVE this game...

Before I go on, NOBODY take offence.  This is not a slap at anyone, just my feelings.....

When I logged on to GW5,  I was placed in a K7BR, It's a nice heavy cruser.  Worth 8000 pp.  I had 10,000 pp in the bank.  Wanting to fly TRUE Rom, I promptly purchased an SPJ(before even undocking for my first mission).  I went out and flew my first mission and promptly remembered:

1.  I had not played this game in a long time and was barely able to find the "Z" key.(I though Oh no, I'm J'inn)
2.  I had not played Rom in a while,  "Oh my god, the mission times, the horror....."
3.  Hay, I really like re-learning again....


Ok, but here's the problem.  The game is pointless:

1.  I already had the biggest ship I could buy without begging another player for one.  Again, not a slap at the RMs they are good guys, but it's the system....

2.  Everyone I could fight on the other side was already in a DN/Carrier.

3.  The guys in the DN/Carriers are not alone, and the thought of getting caught in the biggest thing I can buy by 2(or 3) guys, it not fun.

4.  If I get a wingman, the chances of a stable 4(or more) way in this game are not good.  I have a good connection, but the player left bug has never been squashed).

5.  Every AI I was fighting was in a ship I could not buy if I were on their side?  If the players cannot buy them why is that All I see as AI?

6.  I bet I killed about 10 copies of ships that were supposed to be one of a kind.....


So, what do I miss?

1.  I actually miss starting in a frig and having to WORK my way into a bigger ship.  I thought we were actually attempting to simulate OOB?  Where are the new guys in the frigs?  Why give everyone a heavy and the PP to replace it?

2.  I miss killing someone or being killed and it meaning something.  The only ships that have meaning are the VC ships.

3.  Learning how to earn PP.

4.  Special ships.  Capturing ships with a d6g.  It was hard work downing shields with 7 p-2, but worth it if you could pull it off...

5.  The stock shiplist.  Not stock ships, but how many copies of the HDWC1000 are there anyway...(no offence to OP+, it's not a bad list, just too many ships that were created when ADB went off the chain...)


Well that's my rant.  I posted the same rant several months ago, so excuse the repetitiveness.

I think I'll log back in now, see if soem old friends are on VT.

I do have a dream of an EVE type server running SFB/C types of ships....  drool....

And if you want, look me up on Eve sometime...

jd

[Green]

I don't completely agree w/ your "remembered" or "pointless" points you listed ... but I do agree with your "miss" points JD.  Wouldn't mind seeing one of those also. 

Hope to see you on.

(PS - Eve is the devil's work )

[KBFLordKrueg]

All I can say JD;


1.  I already had the biggest ship I could buy without begging another player for one.  Again, not a slap at the RMs they are good guys, but it's the system....

Actually, an NHK, RGK are probably the biggest, and since ships transfers are immediate, it's easy to rotate the better ships to keep them flying, both sides have been doing it all server.


2.  Everyone I could fight on the other side was already in a DN/Carrier.

I know it appears that way, since a lot of our guys are still in line ships since we have way more pilots than capitol ships. It looks like all of the enemy has bigger ships because they have the opposite problem. 

3.  The guys in the DN/Carriers are not alone, and the thought of getting caught in the biggest thing I can buy by 2(or 3) guys, it
not fun.

Then make sure to wing with one of our Big Boys. I'm sure any of them would be glad to have a quality wingman like yourself. 

4.  If I get a wingman, the chances of a stable 4(or more) way in this game are not good.  I have a good connection, but the player left bug has never been squashed).

Yes, that problem still exist, always will until everyone in the world is on broadband, maybe even then. But, many players have had successful 2v2 and 2v3 matches...a lot of them actually. Find someone with a known good connection to wing with. And most pilots are willing to admit if they have a slower connection and might have problems in larger matches. Still good ones to wing with to run some AI missions to get the feel of your ship and take territory, something that's essential for a land-grab type server like GW5. Not everyone likes to do it, but it's gotta be done.

5.  Every AI I was fighting was in a ship I could not buy if I were on their side?  If the players cannot buy them why is that All I see as AI?

Actually, the Coalition has noticed a marked decrease in the size of the Fed AI. We started out getting CVA, DN and such almost every mission. Lately, it's one or 2 CAs and CLs with mostly just DDs, HDWs and such.

6.  I bet I killed about 10 copies of ships that were supposed to be one of a kind.....

Another issue that will probably always occur if you judge SFC OP by SFB "standards". But, without those ships being available, the live players couldn't buy them in the shipyards, either.


It's not as bad as it may seem, JD. Get on VT with us, get a wing and we'll have some fun! 

[KAT J'inn]

JD . . .  AoTK may be to your liking then.

Every server is different.  No one likes them all.

[Hexx]

Or Mirror Mirror
Which will be based on a PVP VP system.-So every single kill counts
DN's will be 1/side online, same with BCV's
Plus ya get to kill Feds EVERY MISSION! - be they friendly or unfriendly.

What could be better?

Soon as J'inn gets off his duf and does me a map we'll be all set.

[kbf-jd]

I don't completely agree w/ your "remembered" or "pointless" points you listed ... but I do agree with your "miss" points JD.  Wouldn't mind seeing one of those also. 

Hope to see you on.

(PS - Eve is the devil's work )

Well, I can see where you might disagree with the Pointless posts...  those are subjective.  The remembered part was me trying to remember the game(except for the J'inn crack;) )

As for Eve Crack being the devils work,  if so, he did a good job! 

The good thing about EVE is that you can do whatever you want/fly whatever you want.  If you cannot find it, you can build it.

One of my first problems today was wanting to fly in 3D.

A startrek EVE would be GREAT!!!

jd

[kbf-jd]

JD . . .  AoTK may be to your liking then.

Every server is different.  No one likes them all.

Cool, and again, I was not trying to take a stab at you.

And don't think I'm not greatful for the work you have done on the GW servers, we need more like you not less.  But the restrictions/rules have run many people I know off the game.  Myself included.  It's time to think about going the other way...

Again, thanks for the hard work....

jd

[Kroma BaSyl]

JD . . .  AoTK may be to your liking then.

Every server is different.  No one likes them all.

Cool, and again, I was not trying to take a stab at you.

And don't think I'm not greatful for the work you have done on the GW servers, we need more like you not less.  But the restrictions/rules have run many people I know off the game.  Myself included.  It's time to think about going the other way...

Again, thanks for the hard work....

jd

There are unrestricted servers up all the time, the only problem is no one flys on them.  AOTK II will have a lot less restriction and should be to your liking.

[FPF-DieHard]

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A startrek EVE would be GREAT!!!

jd

Yup, it would

[kbf-jd]

All I can say JD;


1.  I already had the biggest ship I could buy without begging another player for one.  Again, not a slap at the RMs they are good guys, but it's the system....

Actually, an NHK, RGK are probably the biggest, and since ships transfers are immediate, it's easy to rotate the better ships to keep them flying, both sides have been doing it all server.

Arrrgggg.......  I did not see a NHK or RGK in the yard,  But I could buy at least 3 of them after a few hours playing time....

And MY point is I don't want to have to ask ANYONE else to fly a ship.  The Point?  If it's in the yard and I have the cash, I should be able to buy it.  It's not like you guys are A$$ holes or anything, you are not.  It's the fact that you have to ask permission...  Forget that...

2.  Everyone I could fight on the other side was already in a DN/Carrier.

I know it appears that way, since a lot of our guys are still in line ships since we have way more pilots than capitol ships. It looks like all of the enemy has bigger ships because they have the opposite problem. 

I understand that.  But the effect is that unless you are one of the anointed few, PVP is right out...

And to get right to the point.  If I have to beg someone for a good ship, I ain't playing, I don't care how nice he is.  It just isn't gonna happen.  Again it isn't you or the other RMs, it's the idea that 's bad...

5.  Every AI I was fighting was in a ship I could not buy if I were on their side?  If the players cannot buy them why is that All I see as AI?

Actually, the Coalition has noticed a marked decrease in the size of the Fed AI. We started out getting CVA, DN and such almost every mission. Lately, it's one or 2 CAs and CLs with mostly just DDs, HDWs and such.

6.  I bet I killed about 10 copies of ships that were supposed to be one of a kind.....

Another issue that will probably always occur if you judge SFC OP by SFB "standards". But, without those ships being available, the live players couldn't buy them in the shipyards, either.

And you made my point.  In the later years the shiplist is so loaded with hdw12341234 & Cheeze that you cannot pull a mission without them...

And I'd rather run into a BC/DN or two than try to run and charge Torps at speed 31 being chased by a hord of PFs and 15+ pahser1s

It's not as bad as it may seem, JD. Get on VT with us, get a wing and we'll have some fun! 

was there and will likely be back sometime as time permits...

jd

[kbf-jd]

JD . . .  AoTK may be to your liking then.

Every server is different.  No one likes them all.

Cool, and again, I was not trying to take a stab at you.

And don't think I'm not greatful for the work you have done on the GW servers, we need more like you not less.  But the restrictions/rules have run many people I know off the game.  Myself included.  It's time to think about going the other way...

Again, thanks for the hard work....

jd

There are unrestricted servers up all the time, the only problem is no one flys on them.  AOTK II will have a lot less restriction and should be to your liking.

Not nessarily looking for "unrestricted"  but there was the idea some time ago that you have 2 different ships in the list like:

F-sBCG   cost 15000pp  This is a restricted ship that can be purchased via OOB only
F-BCG    cost  300000pp  Anyone that earns the PP can buy it

you hump out the missions, you earn the ship...

As for the unrestricted servers, right now they are mostly just throw them up and go types of deals...  so they don't have much draw power...

And about nobody playing them,  Primetime Sunday night, 18 people on GW5, compaired to a year ago, hardly anyone on GW5.  Please don't take that as a knock on the server, it's just a fact.  And beleave you me, I'm not too happy about it either.  Nothing would make me happier than to see 30+ on a server, any server...

jd

[Davey-E]

I do have a dream of an EVE type server running SFB/C types of ships....  drool....

Brother,
If you ever do this
I am in 100%, Thats personally my Biatch with EVE - eg: There is Just no History or Background to it, i just cant relate to it

I mean Caldari and Amarr fighting alongside against more Caldari and Amarr - Sorry i just don,t like,
Now everything else is great, the learning curve etc, i can handle

But the Orgasmic Dream of 3D space with all the ST Empires  -  oh My
Can you imagine going to war as the Kzinti (Caldari) against the invading Klingons (Minmater) near a Player built Kzin space station

Jeest, i hope we get this someday 

[deadmansix]

I do have a dream of an EVE type server running SFB/C types of ships....  drool....

Brother,
If you ever do this
I am in 100%, Thats personally my Biatch with EVE - eg: There is Just no History or Background to it, i just cant relate to it

I mean Caldari and Amarr fighting alongside against more Caldari and Amarr - Sorry i just don,t like,
Now everything else is great, the learning curve etc, i can handle

But the Orgasmic Dream of 3D space with all the ST Empires  -  oh My
Can you imagine going to war as the Kzinti (Caldari) against the invading Klingons (Minmater) near a Player built Kzin space station

Jeest, i hope we get this someday 

 Sounds fantastic, but the reason I would never and I mean NEVER play it is because it is pay to play and I cant see doing that and wont  do that as I wont have a disk in my hand after I am done or for some reason I miss a couple payments all that I have put into the game is GONE like I was never there and I have nothing so show for the cash I put out.

[Davey-E]

I do have a dream of an EVE type server running SFB/C types of ships....  drool....

Brother,
If you ever do this
I am in 100%, Thats personally my Biatch with EVE - eg: There is Just no History or Background to it, i just cant relate to it

I mean Caldari and Amarr fighting alongside against more Caldari and Amarr - Sorry i just don,t like,
Now everything else is great, the learning curve etc, i can handle

But the Orgasmic Dream of 3D space with all the ST Empires  -  oh My
Can you imagine going to war as the Kzinti (Caldari) against the invading Klingons (Minmater) near a Player built Kzin space station

Jeest, i hope we get this someday 

 Sounds fantastic, but the reason I would never and I mean NEVER play it is because it is pay to play and I cant see doing that and wont  do that as I wont have a disk in my hand after I am done or for some reason I miss a couple payments all that I have put into the game is GONE like I was never there and I have nothing so show for the cash I put out.

But don,t you understand Bro,
Thats the only way you can have an active server, It costs to do the kind of upgrades neccessary need in such a server as EVE
and of course they ain,t gonna do it for nothing,

I for one would certainly pay a modest amount to have the kind of intensisty that we have on something like the GW series,

It would,nt happen if you missed a couple of payments anyway ( i believe EVE's server keeps info for 3 months after you resign so you can return within that time and keep your skills etc)

Think of it DM6,
It would be like the VG / GW series / and roleplay all in one with diplomacy and every other aspect of real time space ecxtasy - (lol spelling)

My bets are such a game would be a massive hit

PS
Have you tried EVE DM ?

[Kroma BaSyl]

And about nobody playing them,  Primetime Sunday night, 18 people on GW5, compaired to a year ago, hardly anyone on GW5.  Please don't take that as a knock on the server, it's just a fact.  And beleave you me, I'm not too happy about it either.  Nothing would make me happier than to see 30+ on a server, any server...

If we were running PP farming servers like you suggest the number of plyers would be no greater. I have no desire to waste hours upon hours fighting AI to get to by a bigger ship.

I am a bit suprised that Krueg makes you beg for ships though, Hexx I could see, but not Krueg.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

If we were running PP farming servers like you suggest the number of plyers would be no greater.

If so then 18 online at once is the best you can likely hope for in the future, but perhaps AOTK II will put this to the test as it has yet to be tested seriously.

[Grim]

But don,t you understand Bro,
Thats the only way you can have an active server, It costs to do the kind of upgrades neccessary need in such a server as EVE
and of course they ain,t gonna do it for nothing,

I for one would certainly pay a modest amount to have the kind of intensisty that we have on something like the GW series,

It would,nt happen if you missed a couple of payments anyway ( i believe EVE's server keeps info for 3 months after you resign so you can return within that time and keep your skills etc)

Think of it DM6,
It would be like the VG / GW series / and roleplay all in one with diplomacy and every other aspect of real time space ecxtasy - (lol spelling)

Actually i believe they could run a server for free, having no monthly pay to play fee would encourage more players to play that game, more copies of the game would be sold, therefore generating the revenue needed for running servers. They do charge enough as it is for computer games so why pay more? Alternatively to generate revenue they could release more expansion packs say on a 6 month basis which will generate the cash needed.

You just have to look at Guild Wars were you will not have to pay a fee to play online, all you pay for is a copy of the game and that is it, plus say every six months they will release expansion packs that wont be required if you want to stick playing the original. They can generate enough money by selling hard copies of the game and expansions rather than selling copies plus an online fee.

[KAT J'inn]

JD . . .  AoTK may be to your liking then.

Every server is different.  No one likes them all.

Cool, and again, I was not trying to take a stab at you.

And don't think I'm not greatful for the work you have done on the GW servers, we need more like you not less.  But the restrictions/rules have run many people I know off the game.  Myself included.  It's time to think about going the other way...

Again, thanks for the hard work....

jd

No worries. I did not take it as critism.  I know OoB/SFB type servers are not to everyone's liking.  Frankly I'm sick of them right now myself.    I'm really looking forward to SS3 and AoTK2.

[Kroma BaSyl]

If we were running PP farming servers like you suggest the number of plyers would be no greater.

If so then 18 online at once is the best you can likely hope for in the future, but perhaps AOTK II will put this to the test as it has yet to be tested seriously.

18 was JDs number, I have seen as many as 30+ the first weekend. Blamming those that run servers with rule sets they like, while doing nothing about it yourself is the real issue. More servers of all types, without the big gaps between them is what would have kept more players around. I have seen several people using their rose colored glasses talking about past unrestricted servers, many of the same people that bitched then about all the cheese. OOB didn't just come out of the ether, and if non-restricted was the magic bullet that would have kept the player numbers from dropping over time then I am sure more admins would have run them. As it is I don't think anything can keep the game going forever, players will continue to leave as the game gets older. Some will claim because of to many restriction others to few.

[Kroma BaSyl]

  Frankly I'm sick of them right now myself.    I'm really looking forward to SS3 and AoTK2.

I actually agree with this sentiment. I am ready for a less restrictive server. That sets the stage and conditions for more DN/BCH carnage, and less cautious play. I understand and respect (Runulan barbs aside) players flying conservatively with limited team assets. It is in fact the smart thing to do. It actually took a couple of GW servers before both teams figured it out. Thus the game has evolved a bit to be flown to conservative IMO. I am ready for a change of pace, but that doesn't mean I am sworn off OOB completely either.

What bugs me is people saying one type or another is what "drove" players off. It is a free market and anyone can run whatever type of server they want. You have only yourselves to blame if there isn't one you like and you don't organize a team to run one you do like.

Kroma the Existentialist