Topic: GW 5 Balance Issues

[el-Karnak]

Well it's way unbalanced.  I wanted to see how Monday and Tuesday went to see if the weekday Alliance numebrs would pick up.   They haven't.   Too many have left for other games.

I'm not sure what to do but if this is all that is left of the D2 player base . . . and given it's uneven split in camps . . . we may be done here folks.

Ideas?

Well you just had to ask!!

In a nutshell what drives player numbers down is too many flamewars.  You won't hear from many players that are lurkers by nature, but public forum flamewars that are exacerbated by leaders getting involved are a big turnoff. Does not matter if the leaders are RMs, ARMs, Admins, Fleet leaders or whatever. When it spills out of the designated private forums that are meant for such debates among the leaders then it's very bad PR.  I don't care what leaders say, curse, fling at each other in the designated private forms provided it's not in the public forums. Occasional  flamewars among the general playerbase is a given, but they definitely are not as prevalent when the leaders stay out of them.

Before SFC3, D2 player base was big enough to survive such flamewar issues, but not anymore.  Now, just one real bad flamewar in a dyna campaign can cause succeeding campaigns to suffer.

Another thing  I would say is that the playerbase may not be big enough to handle specialized servers. Everyone has their fav. race/side in every game. Make all the races available in the dynas. That might help.

FWIW, just my 2 cents. Worth more in Canada (not by much), and a lot less in Europe.

[FPF-DieHard]

You should have seen the private forums 

[2step]

 Good afternoon all
 As for me ( not speaking as SSCF member or for the SSCF ) I have ahd alot of personal issues take hold in my life that restricts play to minimal.
I felt that the idea of rotating OoB was nice, letting " newbs " run the risks of VC ships was a good one. But , in my experiences thus far, people are leaving for " bigger/better " and there's no-one coming to replace them.
 You must consider a way to get the game out to new people , to refresh the intrest in the game if you hope to keep the game alive.weather getting it re-released , posted as abbandoned, or any other way you can find that could get you an influx of new players.
 All in all you guys are a true family , petty sibling squabaling and all , and with all families , you gotta have kids or the family dies with the heirs death.
Just my 2 cents.
Take care all.

[FPF-DieHard]

Serious question, does anyone actually make any money off this game being sold?

Is it "abondonware" yet?

I know for a fact that CD keys are not checked anywhere with OP.

[Hexx]

Has anything with the Star Trek logo ever been permitted to be abandonware?

[Age]

  I think you have to wait sometime before software becomes  abandonware.

[Kroma BaSyl]

FWIW, just my 2 cents. Worth more in Canada (not by much), and a lot less in Europe.

and worthless on the D2 forum.....j/k Karnek, couldn't resist.

[Hexx]

Anyway look- I wasn't going to tell you this but it's all about the image.
Snazzy slogans and intimidation are a great recruiting tool.

Roms have Kruegy beat down doors (he knows where people live.. no one tells me for some reason)
send out emails and work his but off.
Coalition also employs snayy recruitment posts Like "Do you Want to Kill J'inn, Kroma and DH?"
-it practically sells itself.
I mean -DH - everyone knows he's a d*ck, flies around in those DNs everychance he gets while crying about "having" to do so.
          -Kroma-? He's seen as being so delusional on these forums he's even disagrred with me.
          and of course J'inn
Personally, I feel J'inn is the future of D2 marketing. You practically get told about him in your "Welcome to the D2 forums" letter
and if I'm not mistaken there's  a blip about him in the last patches readme file.
How many dozens or even hundreds
of people on the various forums have heard of J'inn and his antics, and just felt the need to wipe him out?
It's got to be nearly all of them, the problem is, they believe it to be too much of a challenge.
I know it's not the reality of the situation, but THAT is what we need to change
We have a huge ,untapped, market of J'inn bashers, from the casual "I've never heard of him , but if that's his name he should be stopped"
to the people who have actually had to interact with him.
   Perhaps ask Frey or one of the admins to put an introductary movie of J'inn being killed in a variey of ways on the main site. Have every sforum. section of the site have it's own background wallpaper of J'inns ship exploding by some new method.
Given the proper development I think we could easily return to the glory days when people were parying for others to drop so they could log in.

[Kroma BaSyl]

ROTFLMAO

OK, 10 VCs and the Romulan BB awarded to the Romulan pilot that hold Hexx's ship in a tractor while I BF him to death.

[el-Karnak]

FWIW, just my 2 cents. Worth more in Canada (not by much), and a lot less in Europe.

and worthless on the D2 forum.....j/k Karnek, couldn't resist.

*Frog stomps feet madly*

It's karn-ACK!!!

Typoholic drunken Gorns... :p

[Strafer]

Mirror Mirror (I really have to learn how to do that little "2" up in the corner thing) ...

You mean Mirror²?

[KAT J'inn]

 if I'm not mistaken there's  a blip about him in the last patches readme file.

   WHAT!!!

[Kroma BaSyl]

 if I'm not mistaken there's  a blip about him in the last patches readme file.

   WHAT!!!

my, my , my...how the mighty have fallen....Jinn didn't even read teh fine print.

[KAT J'inn]

 if I'm not mistaken there's  a blip about him in the last patches readme file.

   WHAT!!!

my, my , my...how the mighty have fallen....Jinn didn't even read teh fine print.

WHAT THE HECK DOES IT SAY??

[Kroma BaSyl]

 if I'm not mistaken there's  a blip about him in the last patches readme file.

   WHAT!!!

my, my , my...how the mighty have fallen....Jinn didn't even read teh fine print.

WHAT THE HECK DOES IT SAY??

I would be happy to tell you once your check for my retainer clears.

[ShadowLord]

From what I hear several players have already switched sides-- as such -- KHH will continue to fly Romulan -- but hopes to see more alliance players online for some PVP combat

ShadowLord

[Kroma BaSyl]

From what I hear several players have already switched sides-- as such -- KHH will continue to fly Romulan -- but hopes to see more alliance players online for some PVP combat

ShadowLord

Do tell, who was that?

[FPF-DieHard]

From what I hear several players have already switched sides-- as such -- KHH will continue to fly Romulan -- but hopes to see more alliance players online for some PVP combat

ShadowLord

Do tell, who was that?

Warsears, but everyone knows he's a really a Fed 

[Pojo92]

 You must consider a way to get the game out to new people , to refresh the intrest in the game if you hope to keep the game alive.weather getting it re-released , posted as abbandoned, or any other way you can find that could get you an influx of new players.
 All in all you guys are a true family , petty sibling squabaling and all , and with all families , you gotta have kids or the family dies with the heirs death.

I'm still a relative newb around here, but this post really speaks to me.  Is there no way to get this game revitalized or to spark interest in a new iteration of it (SFC4?).  We all know there are hoards of trekkies out there who would embrace any new game (or a modernized version of an old one) and there are likewise large numbers of former boardgamers with fond memories of SFB (I am one of the latter) who would prefer to play a computer driven version of the game.  Like you said, it has been five years since the release of this game, and the gaming industry seems to have a pretty short attention span WRT the latest hot thing.  Not surprising that this thing has started to, sadly, fade from the consciousness of gamers. I will tell you that until last December, I did not know that this game even existed.  If not for inadvertently stumbling across an unsold copy of SFC in BestBuy, I'd still be in the dark.  I count myself blessed to have found it, but I am also saddened that I appear to have discovered it in its twilight.  I hope that this is not the case, because I haven't seen anything else anywhere that comes close to capturing the spirit of SFB the way this game does.

Given the "Trek" name and Paramount's involvement, along with all the associated legal hassles (which even cause me, a purported attorney, to scratch my head sometimes) I am probably hoping in vain, but, as they say, where there's life...

[GDA-S'Cipio]

Drifting badly off topic......

I'm still a relative newb around here, but this post really speaks to me.  Is there no way to get this game revitalized or to spark interest in a new iteration of it (SFC4?).  We all know there are hoards of trekkies out there who would embrace any new game (or a modernized version of an old one) and there are likewise large numbers of former boardgamers with fond memories of SFB (I am one of the latter) who would prefer to play a computer driven version of the game. 

There isn't any SFC4 in the immediate future, because Taldren went belly up.  A new company would have to take interest and secure permissions from Paramount and ADB.

However, there are still plenty copies of OP floating around out there; it's just that they arn't sitting on store shelves in the "new release" section anymore.   If people have ideas for ogranizing some sort of campaign to get new people interested in an older game, I'm all for it.  It's sort of hard for anyone who doesn't already have this game to find out about it, unless they just accidentally happen upon this site.

Might be worth pounding the ADB forums to grab more SFB palyers, if someone hasn't already done that.

-S'Cipio