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Offline Victoria

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Star Trek Online....
« on: March 22, 2005, 10:43:19 pm »
Finally....  A Star Trek MMORPG is in the works. I can't believe people still play SFC, but I hope some of you people can put your C7's in the hanger and come to the MMORPG world. As a former SW Galaxies player ( and long time SFC player ) this is what I have been waiting for....

It's not 1998 anymore people..  :)

I loved SFC too but this game died the day Mplayer shut down. Again, to plug shamelessly, wouldn't you all get excited about having crazy amounts of fleets and thousands of people to play with as opposed to the hundred or so left here ?

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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2005, 11:06:25 pm »
Finally.... A Star Trek MMORPG is in the works. I can't believe people still play SFC, but I hope some of you people can put your C7's in the hanger and come to the MMORPG world. As a former SW Galaxies player ( and long time SFC player ) this is what I have been waiting for....

It's not 1998 anymore people.. :)

I loved SFC too but this game died the day Mplayer shut down. Again, to plug shamelessly, wouldn't you all get excited about having crazy amounts of fleets and thousands of people to play with as opposed to the hundred or so left here ?

:)
Read all about it...
http://www.mmorpg.com/sto_interview.cfm



Apparantly you have not been on Gamespy Arcade (bought out and took over for M-Player, that is if you haven't tried to keep up) to play SFC nor have you been on the Dynaverse.. OP is still getting game development for the servers..

Besides, SFC is free.. why pay to play a game.. If I pay $50 for the game in the store, then the online part should be free..

If I get the game free, I should only have to pay a 1 time fee to cover me for life or until the servers are shut down..

It is stupid to rent a MMORPG monthly when the game could have been designed with a single player or set up with a free server...

I tried StarWars Galaxies 1 time.. went through the 1 month free trial (gave them a bogus CC # so they wouldn't charge after the first month).. but when I noticed the game had no Single Player mode.. I took it back and traded it in for SFC 3 and Bridge Commander, which has Single Player and Multi Player for free...

Only people who don't know better waste money monthly on the same game just to play after paying $50 to buy the disks...

Here is an example...

You buy the disks ........ $50

You pay for 1 month at $12.50 a month.

you play the game for 1 year...

Now you have spent $200 on 1 game and it lasts only as long as you are stupid enough to keep paying on that 1 game (in this case 12 months), when you could have bought 4 games and be able to play them for the next 50 years for free...

Yep.. Pay to Play makes a lot of sence to me... NOT !!!

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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2005, 12:37:53 am »
A lot of people know the feelings i have about this MMORPG.

The addage i've head of "build it and they will come" just wont cut it.  Too many people have criticisms for the star trek series of games, most people wont even look at a trek game simply cause it has a stigma attached to it which is one of the reasons classic games like SFC series, Armada, EF and the likes never sold the amount of copies that games like Quake, Doom, Sims (dont laugh now...), Battlefield and the likes have sold.  Those games started at some point, and whebn the original was released they made a fortune.  It's a sad state of affairs when a game that is a decade old still hold the record for the amount of copies sold in the trek series of games...and that game is Star Trek: 25th Anniversary...an old DOS game (which you can win on the latest STGD competition...*cough*).  The question of support also comes up.  There was another fully online game, anyone remember it?  The game was called ConQuest Online and Activision literally pulled support and servers for the game under the feet of the people who payed for the expansion sets and accounts, and that game was released when trek gaming was at a high point.  Ok, so it might not have been an MMOPRG but it didnt bode well for all the gamers who played that game, they wont return, thats for sure.

I agree with pestalence (hears gasps of shock from folks) what people should be focusing on right now is the old games, its the games like Orion Pirates, SFC 3, Armada 1 & 2 and the Elite Force series.  Those games hold the be all and end all of all thats left of the once massive community i became a part of more than a decade ago and i have seen that old community slowly be forgotten about infavour of "making a quick buck" by releaseing an MMORPG.  Other big sites have given a lot of time to the MMORPG, i was going to release a large section on my site dedicated to it, but i have decided against it, whats the point anyway?  The game aint out for 24 months and theres people forming gaming fleets around it already.  Not only that but MMORPG stands for Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game, have ya seen one of the recent interviews?  Perpetual have said the game wont have any role playing servers on launch and may have one added at a later date.  I can see it now, a ship is busy roleplaying in the world of trek, and another ship fires on them calling them stupid noobs for roleplaying.  Its a disaster waiting to happen, the game will turn into an FPS in space.

An mmorpg will only last as long as there is a big enough player base for Perpetual and Paramount to make a profit...is there REALLY enough people around who will continue to pay for play when there is other MMORPG's out there which are well established?  The franchise cant even manage to keep a new series on the air...thats gotta say something.  Orion Pirates and Starfleet Command 3 have still got a lot of clout left in it, the lobbies are relatively busy and the modding scene is still going strong.  Dynaverse campaigns for both the games are still going strong as well.  If people start turning there backs on the older games and wait for 2 years for this new MMORPG the original community will close it's doors, we will lose modders, fleets and a lot of sites.

...and when (not if) this new mmorpg fails where will people turn to?  Lets face it people, in 2 years time can we honestly say that OP and the entire SFC community will still be around?    I'll tell ya this much, STGD might be a site which is known for its outspoken warring nature, but the site is still serving the older community (even games like Birth of the Federation) for a purpose.  We need these older games, if not for the players, then for something for the community to keep busy with for the next 2 years.

Victoria, even just for a week or so, borrow a copy of Orion Pirates, someone in here might help ya out with that (youll NEVER get a cheap copy of SFC 3...Activision seen to that) and try out OP in GameSpy Arcade or one of the DII/III campaigns, trust me, it will convert ya...it did with me, even though i suck at OP now cause i aint played it for some time.

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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2005, 12:51:13 am »
Vic, Try my OP Enhancement pack v3.0 for Orion Pirates...

It is available in the Dynaverse II forum in the Enhancements sub forum.. 141 MB to get your game current with all servers with exception of a customised shiplist.txt, frtlist.txt, model.siz and the customized NW scripts configurations.. and/or maybe models specific to a server...

I have a v3.1 going up in a couple of days, but this onle does a fix for the ShipEdit install and entries in the sfc.ini file for the extra options like hiding BPV and Engine Doubling for Orions..

Hope that this helps...

Also I about fell over when you agreed with me.. totally unexpected. :o :)
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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2005, 12:54:32 am »
I'm messing around with Chris Jones UAW and firesouls OP+4 just now.

Basically im way over my head which is sad really cause i used to play OP a lot back in the old days...god, i sound like an old man now.  I aint gonna get into the DII side until i can manage to survive at least a few games in Gamespy arcade.

I'll download the enhancement and give it a spin later today though :)

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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2005, 01:01:22 am »
the Enhancement Package also adds quite a bit for single player and GSA as well... I am going to be uploading a Enhancement Package compatable version of UAW here in the next couple of days... that way, when using OP Enhancement, you can use the Mod Chooser and just swap game modes from UAW to OP + to Stock and still have 2 empty slots for different servers...
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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2005, 01:05:17 am »
Ahh, thats sounds good, chooseability between the other mods being played on GSA

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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2005, 02:03:50 am »
  Victoia if you want to try an MMORPG buy GuildWars in April 28th and it is free to play online no monthly fees.I have done 2 beta test and the game is good don't get me wrong I will always like and play the SFC series but like Vic. said I need practice to play PVP.Here have a look at the GuildWasr board or the GuildHall.Don't forget Victoria it is April 28th,05

http://www.guild-hall.net/index.php

Like Vic said get a copy of OP and start practicing. btw there are those that are playing World of Warcraft and Everquest 2 and they are Pay 2 Play.

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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2005, 08:25:53 am »


Apparantly you have not been on Gamespy Arcade (bought out and took over for M-Player, that is if you haven't tried to keep up) to play SFC nor have you been on the Dynaverse.. OP is still getting game development for the servers..

Besides, SFC is free.. why pay to play a game.. If I pay $50 for the game in the store, then the online part should be free..

If I get the game free, I should only have to pay a 1 time fee to cover me for life or until the servers are shut down..

It is stupid to rent a MMORPG monthly when the game could have been designed with a single player or set up with a free server...

I tried StarWars Galaxies 1 time.. went through the 1 month free trial (gave them a bogus CC # so they wouldn't charge after the first month).. but when I noticed the game had no Single Player mode.. I took it back and traded it in for SFC 3 and Bridge Commander, which has Single Player and Multi Player for free...

Only people who don't know better waste money monthly on the same game just to play after paying $50 to buy the disks...

Here is an example...

You buy the disks ........ $50

You pay for 1 month at $12.50 a month.

you play the game for 1 year...

Now you have spent $200 on 1 game and it lasts only as long as you are stupid enough to keep paying on that 1 game (in this case 12 months), when you could have bought 4 games and be able to play them for the next 50 years for free...

Yep.. Pay to Play makes a lot of sence to me... NOT !!!



Yes I know all about Gamespy. And ummmm.. yeah you have to pay for that too. Oh and the problem with Gamespy is that about 10 people from SFC came over when Mplayer closed. Obviously, more than 10, but you see the point I am trying to make. 80 % of this games population went bye bye.

Now, as for your feelings towards online games of a pay by month nature, if you can't afford it that's one thing, but I happen to feel that a measly 12 bucks a month to play a game, that quite frankly, has more content and richness than any other type of game you can buy, is worth it. I can't tell you how many times I paid 50 bucks for a game that was worth about 3 dollars. Paying for Gamespy ?? It is your right to think pay to play is stupid, but paying for a piece of crap like Gamespy that only lets you get in a 'room' to play a game.... Ummm.. yeah... stupid...  Gamespy is the most god awful platform ever made, and ASE is free. But these are all opinions, and we are all entitled to our own.

If you don't like MMORPG's, then you don't have to respond to this post. I was just hoping that some real ST fans would be interested in the game in the works. I care not about your economic philosophies about MMORPG's. I just wanted to let some ST fans know about the game. If you don't like MMORPG's, or If you don't want to spend money, then just hit your back button.

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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2005, 08:35:43 am »
  Victoia if you want to try an MMORPG buy GuildWars in April 28th and it is free to play online no monthly fees.I have done 2 beta test and the game is good don't get me wrong I will always like and play the SFC series but like Vic. said I need practice to play PVP.Here have a look at the GuildWasr board or the GuildHall.Don't forget Victoria it is April 28th,05

http://www.guild-hall.net/index.php

Like Vic said get a copy of OP and start practicing. btw there are those that are playing World of Warcraft and Everquest 2 and they are Pay 2 Play.



I actually participated in the beta testing of Guild Wars also. Actually, a couple of guys from my old SFC fleet were in Guild Wars with me. It was fun, but there's lots of other games I am very interested in coming out, so I'm pacing myself.

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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2005, 08:48:13 am »
Listen, I'm sorry. I really didn't mean to start a big thing about MMORPG's. I happen to agree with some of your points, but I disagree with the rest of them. I've spent the last 3 years playing MMORPG's and they are the most fascinating, addicting, fun and rewarding gaming experiences I have ever had. There will always be plenty of people to play with, and I have lots of new gaming friends as well. It's been an awesome experience for me, and I am totally hooked. But I didn't mean to start a debate of the for or against MMORPG's. All I'm gonna say is that if you don't like them, then don't play them.

As for SFC, my days here are definitly over. I did breifly reinstall the game and try to play, but my skills are all gone. Timing is all gone, and I realized I have no desire to learn again. But it was hella fun when I was playing. :)

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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2005, 02:25:44 pm »
Well.. I feel pretty stupid... Didn't bother to look around and see there was a whole section in the off topic forum about STO. I sincerely apologize to all of you for this lack of professionalism on my part, and sorry to the mods for posting in the wrong forum.

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« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2005, 02:51:07 pm »
well, road to hell and all that... :)
We keep with OP and/or 3 cuz we love it. Simple as that.
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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2005, 04:35:45 pm »


Apparantly you have not been on Gamespy Arcade (bought out and took over for M-Player, that is if you haven't tried to keep up) to play SFC nor have you been on the Dynaverse.. OP is still getting game development for the servers..

Besides, SFC is free.. why pay to play a game.. If I pay $50 for the game in the store, then the online part should be free..

If I get the game free, I should only have to pay a 1 time fee to cover me for life or until the servers are shut down..

It is stupid to rent a MMORPG monthly when the game could have been designed with a single player or set up with a free server...

I tried StarWars Galaxies 1 time.. went through the 1 month free trial (gave them a bogus CC # so they wouldn't charge after the first month).. but when I noticed the game had no Single Player mode.. I took it back and traded it in for SFC 3 and Bridge Commander, which has Single Player and Multi Player for free...

Only people who don't know better waste money monthly on the same game just to play after paying $50 to buy the disks...

Here is an example...

You buy the disks ........ $50

You pay for 1 month at $12.50 a month.

you play the game for 1 year...

Now you have spent $200 on 1 game and it lasts only as long as you are stupid enough to keep paying on that 1 game (in this case 12 months), when you could have bought 4 games and be able to play them for the next 50 years for free...

Yep.. Pay to Play makes a lot of sence to me... NOT !!!



Yes I know all about Gamespy. And ummmm.. yeah you have to pay for that too. Oh and the problem with Gamespy is that about 10 people from SFC came over when Mplayer closed. Obviously, more than 10, but you see the point I am trying to make. 80 % of this games population went bye bye.

Now, as for your feelings towards online games of a pay by month nature, if you can't afford it that's one thing, but I happen to feel that a measly 12 bucks a month to play a game, that quite frankly, has more content and richness than any other type of game you can buy, is worth it. I can't tell you how many times I paid 50 bucks for a game that was worth about 3 dollars. Paying for Gamespy ?? It is your right to think pay to play is stupid, but paying for a piece of crap like Gamespy that only lets you get in a 'room' to play a game.... Ummm.. yeah... stupid... Gamespy is the most god awful platform ever made, and ASE is free. But these are all opinions, and we are all entitled to our own.

If you don't like MMORPG's, then you don't have to respond to this post. I was just hoping that some real ST fans would be interested in the game in the works. I care not about your economic philosophies about MMORPG's. I just wanted to let some ST fans know about the game. If you don't like MMORPG's, or If you don't want to spend money, then just hit your back button.

Actually, Gamespy Arcade is FREE.. If you want to get rid of the advertisement pages that appear when changing game rooms (not player rooms, but like from SFC OP to NWN).. then that is what the pay for feature does.. it gets rid of the Ads..

Also if you happen to have migrated from M-Player, you can contact the Gamespy Arcade Administrators or the Billing department and pay a 1 time fee of $20 for lifetime registration instead of the month to month payments...

But an Unregistered account can play games as much as a registered account.. as such it is FREE.

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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2005, 08:57:21 am »
A lot of people know the feelings i have about this MMORPG.

The addage i've head of "build it and they will come" just wont cut it.  Too many people have criticisms for the star trek series of games, most people wont even look at a trek game simply cause it has a stigma attached to it which is one of the reasons classic games like SFC series, Armada, EF and the likes never sold the amount of copies that games like Quake, Doom, Sims (dont laugh now...), Battlefield and the likes have sold.  Those games started at some point, and whebn the original was released they made a fortune.  It's a sad state of affairs when a game that is a decade old still hold the record for the amount of copies sold in the trek series of games...and that game is Star Trek: 25th Anniversary...an old DOS game (which you can win on the latest STGD competition...*cough*).  The question of support also comes up.  There was another fully online game, anyone remember it?  The game was called ConQuest Online and Activision literally pulled support and servers for the game under the feet of the people who payed for the expansion sets and accounts, and that game was released when trek gaming was at a high point.  Ok, so it might not have been an MMOPRG but it didnt bode well for all the gamers who played that game, they wont return, thats for sure.

I agree with pestalence (hears gasps of shock from folks) what people should be focusing on right now is the old games, its the games like Orion Pirates, SFC 3, Armada 1 & 2 and the Elite Force series.  Those games hold the be all and end all of all thats left of the once massive community i became a part of more than a decade ago and i have seen that old community slowly be forgotten about infavour of "making a quick buck" by releaseing an MMORPG.  Other big sites have given a lot of time to the MMORPG, i was going to release a large section on my site dedicated to it, but i have decided against it, whats the point anyway?  The game aint out for 24 months and theres people forming gaming fleets around it already.  Not only that but MMORPG stands for Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game, have ya seen one of the recent interviews?  Perpetual have said the game wont have any role playing servers on launch and may have one added at a later date.  I can see it now, a ship is busy roleplaying in the world of trek, and another ship fires on them calling them stupid noobs for roleplaying.  Its a disaster waiting to happen, the game will turn into an FPS in space.

An mmorpg will only last as long as there is a big enough player base for Perpetual and Paramount to make a profit...is there REALLY enough people around who will continue to pay for play when there is other MMORPG's out there which are well established?  The franchise cant even manage to keep a new series on the air...thats gotta say something.  Orion Pirates and Starfleet Command 3 have still got a lot of clout left in it, the lobbies are relatively busy and the modding scene is still going strong.  Dynaverse campaigns for both the games are still going strong as well.  If people start turning there backs on the older games and wait for 2 years for this new MMORPG the original community will close it's doors, we will lose modders, fleets and a lot of sites.

...and when (not if) this new mmorpg fails where will people turn to?  Lets face it people, in 2 years time can we honestly say that OP and the entire SFC community will still be around?    I'll tell ya this much, STGD might be a site which is known for its outspoken warring nature, but the site is still serving the older community (even games like Birth of the Federation) for a purpose.  We need these older games, if not for the players, then for something for the community to keep busy with for the next 2 years.

Victoria, even just for a week or so, borrow a copy of Orion Pirates, someone in here might help ya out with that (youll NEVER get a cheap copy of SFC 3...Activision seen to that) and try out OP in GameSpy Arcade or one of the DII/III campaigns, trust me, it will convert ya...it did with me, even though i suck at OP now cause i aint played it for some time.

Trekpluse serve informations for plenty of old games vic..shows how much you really know about the community eh? Old games are old games they live on, simply put thats like living in the past, some sites don't bother to support the past anymore due to lack of interest in comparison with newer games like STO?

Roleplaying servers are no solution to any game, people still dont roleplay on roleplaying server fully... There will always be people who say n00b to a roleplay ships... But you know whats WORSE vic? You simply havnt notice that you cant fire on another person's ship in game outside the holodeck? I guess you missed that point..I advise you stay uptodate on STO news @ online.stgu.com

On STO...the game is an MMOG...NOT AN MMORPG...Take note at the first EVER press release:

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PERPETUAL ENTERTAINMENT TO DEVELOP AND PUBLISH STAR TREK® MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME

AS for subscription fees, play guildwars...There are plenty of people out there willing to pay and play for a game.. WoW has 1.2 million subscribers which says alot considering STO is still 2 years away and they are expanding quickly.

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« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2005, 12:07:45 pm »
I was wondering when someone from that other site would come in here and drag the old arguements into this place.

Ya know something Jaz?  Usually i would by now be screaming and shouting at you in text, but now...i just feel sorry for ya.  You people really belevie that this new MMORPG will be the saviour of Star Trek gaming when more and more of the old time gamers of this genre who were playing trek games LONG BEFORE you and most of the STGU staff had even bought a trek game dont want to play it.

Beleive me, ST:O may be the "in game" for about 4 months tops, but within 1 year more than 3/4ths of the players will leave and all support will soon be pulled after that cause the game will be an unmitigated disaster.  Paramount is only making this game to suck money from the wandering minions who think that paying at the very least $200 a year to play a game online with no single player is a good thing.  They dont even have enough staff to make the game by themselves so they have to go to "thrid party" people to make it, yeah, thats one way to cut corners.

Games which may be old, like Orion Pirates have a community behind them which predates most of the sites out there, but not my site.  I've seen the changing face of this genre from the days of Starfleet Academy and Birth of the Federation right up till now and i can tell you this much, ST:O is a game being released way too soon.  There has been no decent Single/Multiplay games released since Bridge Commander and Elite Force.  Even though SFC 3 and EF 2 do have it's good points the sales were so low it made Activision realise they are on a downward slope.  It's whats left of the old community like this one and the one at STGD and to an extent our former hosts at sgnonline.com who have to be convinced that the MMORPG will be a good thing, and right now the arguement for the mmorpg is being met with quiet crtitcism.  WHy do you think Jaz that Paramount wanted someone like me on the STAB?  I'm the Gul Dukat of trek gaming jaz, everyone and there dog haes my site but people still listen to what the STGD says and Lang knows that without the support of the fleets who do still visit the STGD (but not as much as they used to) he wont have a firm player base in the beginning of the game.  Alot of the older fleets like RS have now COMPLETELY left trek gaming...go check there site, i didnt beleive it at first...and whos fault is that?  Harry Lang's for not listening to a single word i said to him and the other folks in STAB last year.

As i said on the front page of the STGD just yesterday, the big sites the same size of the STGD have lost interest in keeping the torch burning for the folks in Armada, Elite Force and games as old as that.  The SFC Community is well served by this place.  It's my job to make sure the other older games are not forgotten about, while i'm doing that i'll let people like you Jaz worry about a game that aint gonna be released for two years.  Then in 3 years time when the mmorpg is panned by the critics and masses of people leave i will make the old "I Told You So" post on the front page of the STGD in 120 point Verdana text that i always do.  I seem to make a lot of those posts on the front of the site.

People should not be directing so many recources into this one single new game while forgetting about the past history of this genre, and that's what's happening right now in some sites.  You can criticise the STGD all ya want Jaz, it's here for the long haul this time.  Someone has to keep other sites on there toes.

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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2005, 12:57:53 pm »
I was alerted to this discussion so thought I'd put in my $.02.  Not looking to pick a fight with anyone but to clarify a few points:

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They dont even have enough staff to make the game by themselves so they have to go to "thrid party" people to make it, yeah, thats one way to cut corners.

Paramount never has, does not now, and probably never will make a game by ourselves.  We also do not fund game development.  Never have.  I've explained countless times that we are a licensor and cannot publish or create games on our own (which is one reason there is a lack of new games right now).  That's not how we're setup although I wish we were.  Activision, Interplay, SSI, and others all made the games on their own, with their own money. 

We have been listening to many people's complaints and frustrations with lack of new games.  I've also said on many forums for awhile that because we are not a publisher we can't just make a game.  I've also said we are not deliberately holding back on licensing new titles beyond the MMOG (it is technically not a MMORGP as pointed out by Jaz).  I gave an update on our progress almost two months ago and that's still the case.  Nothing I can talk about right now but we're working on it.  There's nothing I can do to focus on the old games since we didn't publish them and therefore, cannot support them.

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« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2005, 01:00:17 pm »
There is something you may not know Jaz and that is it take 5 years to to put together a good MMORPG and Paramount are saying hey wait we will give it to in two years hence(Dr. McCoy in Genisis).When Guild Wars was first being developed they started writng the code back in 2003 that long ago yes 3 years ago and WoW and Everquest 2maybe further back.The talented staff from those two games came together to form Arenanet and NCsoft the develper and publishers of GuildWars so you see how great Guild Wars is going to be and what does Perpetual have no one all that specail as WT check them out and didn't think much of them and he was all hyped up about STonline.What is he playing now WoW.
  There was a chance if Viacom/Paramount wanted a good to buy a good a game puplisher and developer they could have talked and bought Interplay and Taldren yes those fine people who brought you SFC searies and those two fine companies would still be around.Harry can still make this happen as he talkes to Erik once a month and find the owner of Interplay and make an offer to purchase  those companies.Taldren could make a mmorpg better than those at Perpetual as they know the Trek gaming community and know what they want.If they did this Taldren would probably make the game free for playing online if they can keep the access servers going for Dyna 2 and even GSA keeping their servers going for free. What is the difference just a bunch of greedy you know whoes?If this game is released in 2 years expect some bugs thse people have never made an mmo.It is to bad it isn't Arenanet who was making this game.Taldren to would have said that there need to be more balance between the Eras as this game takes place after Nemisis and not everyone enjoys that era no TOS ships or TMP ships.

  I probably won't be investing in anymore Star Trek games as I am happy and content with my Starfleet Command games made by Taldren as I was impressed when I first bought them.
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« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2005, 01:06:58 pm »
Paramount isn't going to just go out and buy Taldren or Interplay (Interplay is still owned by Titus).  It's just not that simple.  There have been rumors of Viacom buying a publisher, but to my knowledge, that's just rumors.  I'm in no position to influence the purchase of any publisher or developer.

Perpetual had the underlying technology already developed for the past two years.  What they are working on  now is middleware for the graphics and AI.  Add that to the fact that they started on this earlier last year, and a release date of 2007 and you have 2 years of tech development plus 3 years for the rest of the game and that's 5 years.

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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2005, 01:27:30 pm »
  There is something you may not know Jaz and that is it take 5 years to to put together a good MMORPG and Paramount are saying hey wait we will give it to in two years hence(Dr. McCoy in Genisis).When Guild Wars was first being developed they started writng the code back in 2003 that long ago yes 3 years ago and WoW and Everquest 2maye further back.The talented staff from those two game came together to forum Arenanet and NCsoft the develper and puplishers of GuildWars so you see how great Guild Wars is going to be and what does Perpetual have no one all that specail as WT check them out and didn't think much of them and he was all hyped about STonline.
  There was a chance if Viacom/Paramount wanted a good to buy a good a game puplisher and developer thet could have talked and bought Interplay and Taldren yes those fine people who brought you SFC searies and those two fine companies would still be around.Harry can still make this happen as he talkes to Erik once a month and find the owner of Interplay and make an offer to purchase  those companies.Taldren could make a mmorpg better than those at Perpetual as they know the Trek gaming community and know what they want.If they did this Taldren would probably make the game free for playing online if they can keep the access servers going for Dyna 2 and even GSA keeping their servers going for free. What is the difference just a bunch of greedy you know whoes?If this game is released in 2 years expect some bugs thse people have never made an mmo.It is to bad it isn't Arenanet who was making this game.Taldren to would have said that there need to be more balance between the Eras as this game takes place after Nemisis and not everyone enjoys that era no TOS ships or TMP ships.


I agree a longer time for development is required, which is one of the reason why Perpetual has shortcutted on pvp & factions. Gods and Heroes: Rome Rising has been in development for 18 months (Perpetuals other game)... This will be an ample opportunity to test if Perpetual's quick development actually IS a drawback.. We will see ofcourse.

Perpetual arn't special...true..neither is SOE...or NCsoft, no complaints from me at this time. Maddoc was nothing special either....but theyre doing EE2..I played the demo of that..I loved it.

We also have to recognise that the engine is already there..(not the graphics engine). Which saves time from building from scratch. Yes Perpetual have said they will hire 3rd party artists... In my book its probably cheaper and more effecient than having your own. In 2 months time, according to the Warcry preview on Gods and Hero's: Rome Rising it will have dynamic shadows and lighting, then we can compare perpetual talent for game making. I STRONGLY urge you to Read This...

Taldren couldnt make a bugless game...sorry to say it folks especially on these boards but SFCIII was great, but as I played the MP there were far, far too many bugs and problems for it to be fun..I gave up.

Interplay has huge debts I believe...a company that cant hit profits doesnt deserve to exist in my opinion.

Vic I fail to see why you are sorry for me? If STO gets cancelled...too bad, if it sucks too bad. Atleast I can hope for a decent game... while you can wallow in you wars and dreams about the Golden age which is over. There might be golden age again if STO is a success... Atleast i'm prepared for both.  If STO is a success it will outllive any Star Trek game to date, it will be the biggest ever Star Trek game to date, it will have the biggest ever online following. I dont intent on playing Armada and Elite Force all my life...

Am I sucker? Could be...We only get an ST MMO with these kinds of highlevel investments. Ive given every Star Trek game since Armada the benifit of the doubt...some have been fun, others not. But I can't really say I hate any of them..Its Star Trek and thats all that matters to me to buy them. Only difference is, I wont play them if they arnt good enough.

No point complaining about poor quality Star Trek games now..Im sure Harry has played them and his boss(es)... Im guessing they dont want to play bad games either..Who would?

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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2005, 06:42:14 pm »
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]Vic, we thought it would be a opening move to regarding unifying the SFC Communites by repealing the ban you got almost a year ago over this exact same type of poop.

No, let me correct that, it was ME that felt that way - I can't speak for the rest of them because quite a few had reservations.

Now, I guess we see who was right and who was wrong.



Frey, sorry for this, but someone has to tell lang what a lot of gamers are thinking of this games franchise, its seems obvious that lang himself quite frankly doesnt give a crap.

Vic, if you were truly sorry, then you wouldn't have done it. You won't get the chance to call me a fool again.

PS. I'm leaving Harry's replies to your posts as they are because:

1. He's friggin Paramount!!!! DUH

2. It could serve as an example for you - you know, professionalism, integrity, truthfullness?
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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2005, 07:46:57 pm »
Wow Vic, I don't understand where you're hostility comes from, but I'll attempt to answer your questions.

FINALLY harry, now we meet in 2005....

I have some questions for you.

Who is funding Perpetual Entertainment.  Isnt it true that the same banking company who are the majority funders of Perpetual happen to be heavilly invested from Viacom or Paramount? Isnt it true that if the game starts losing money in a 3 month span paramount will pull the plug? before you answer that Harry, dig deep.  I have the resources to do so, do you?


Actually, we have met in 2005 already as you probably recall.  As far as I know, Perpetual has funding from serveral sourcesl as you can see from a press release on this page.  None of those mention Viacom.  However if those companies invest in Viacom, that doesn't mean Viacom funds Perpetual (Viacom doesn't need venture capital anyway so it doesn't make sense).  Either way, there is no connection and neither Viacom or Paramount are funding Perpetual in any manner whatsoever.  If you have the resources to say otherwise, I'd love to see them.  As I said, we never have and most likely never will fund game development.  As far as pulling the plug, where do you even come up with this?  Paramount won't pull the plug on the game, that would be Perpetual's call if the game is a complete failure (which it won't be).

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What do you say harry to the fleets like Red Squadrons who are still saying that this MMORPG is a waste of time and Parmaount is in this for the money only?


I'd ask why do they say that?  Fleets are welcomed in STO (which is an MMOG).  As for Paramount being in this for the money...we've wanted to do an mmog for many years and are thrilled to finally be able to have one made.  Paramount is a business and isn't in this for charity, but it's also a labor of love.

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What do you say to the modders who will be ditched by Viacom when it becomes obvious that modders will bascially be useless in this new MMORPG?


I'd say, as I've said already, we have other things in the works which will keep them happy.  We covered this last year on your forums  and no one is being "ditched" for any deliberate reason.  If things happen that we're planning, the modders will be very happy.

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What do you say to the THOUSANDS of casual trek gamers who have followed this game genre, and have emailed me since last year who are saying that they refuse to pay for play, that the game will be a buggy mess (cause Paramount NEVER cares about Q&A) and who also say that ViaComs complete INCOMPETENCE in running this franchise means that enterprise was cancelled and if you are not able to even run a TV Show what chance do you have in running an MMORPG with a company no one has heard of?


I'd say please forward me some of those emails just like I asked you to last year but didn't receive.  I want to see what those people are saying.  Anyway, we're not forgetting about the casual fans who don't want to pay to play.  I'm not responsible for the tv show and Paramount again, is not running this mmog.  Perpetual is.


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What do you have to say PERSONALLY with the reports i have heard of you and your section of the franchise who have been completely ignoreing fan driven attempts at making simple or complex games?  (that question is from a representative of PC Gamers Magazine, i advise you to answer it)


Am I being quoted for a magazine now?  I'd rather respond directly to the person asking the question then.  There's nothing I can do for fan created games.

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What do you have to say about the reports that the STGD has heard of you personally blackballing any sites which supports STGD and some of the older fleets?


I'd say someone's been feeding you b.s. because I've never said anything of the sort.  I'd ask for evidence because it's not true.

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What do you have to say about the continued harrasement from the sites you DO support to anyone who has anything negative to say against the new MMORPG?


Again, I don't support any fansite.  I post on a couple of them but in no way is any fan site supported or endorsed by Paramount.  Let's get that straight right now.  Anyone is free to express their like or dislike of the game.  I certainly don't approve of harrassment of any site towards another but since I don't control fansites, I can't tell them what to do.  As I told you last year, I don't get involved in squabbles between fansites.


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Do you ADMIT that STGD was right last year when i PERSONALLY told you that you need to release a game THIS year or NEXT year, and that even though Paramount and STGD have since fallen out all of a sudden you have now given news that you are attempting to "ressurect" an old game.  What is something i told you to do LAST YEAR?


I told your forums long before you emailed me that we are always talking to publishers and that was true.  Of course we want a game out asap.   I posted the news almost two months ago because there had been a lot of developments and I hadn't talked much about the future in a while (and it was more than just resurrecting an old game I spoke about).  I agree that we need a game but again, we do NOT release games, we license to publishers or developers who release games.  So it requires another party.


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What do you say to the emails sent to you from the old STCD warning you against giving Activision all the license packs, and dont bother saying you didnt get the email, i got a reply.


What do you want me to say?  It's not like you sent that back in 1998.  What's done is done.  The first email I ever got from you was early 2004.

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Harry, STGD may be on it's knees, but you have made an enemy of that site, me and the thousands of visitors who follow it.  Its only a matter of time before we are proved right.  You have STILL to answer any of the relevant questions myself and the staff threw at you before i was banned form your little Paramount ran STGU forum.  Its not STGU you should continually visit to gather support for the MMORPG, STGU is ran by a bunch of minions.  You want to talk to the REAL trek gamers who have been here long before STGU was even thought of?  Then you visit the follwing sites...
www.sgnonline.com

www.dynaverse.net

www.strategyplanet.com/stgd

You wantr to deal with the REAL trek gamers?  You deal with STGD, this place, sgnonline ANY site but STGU.  I might have said back in 2004 that this place is bad, a lot of them in here may not trust me or the STGD but ill guartuntee you this, you will get a more direct and honest answer from the sites listed above than the brainwashed minions of the sites you regularly visit just now.


Again, Paramount does't run or support STGU.  I post on there, that's all.  just like I post on other forums.  Why you think Paramount runs that site is beyond me.  And as I recall, you never answered a lot of my questions either about the false accusations and slanderous remarks made towards me as I indicated in a lengthy post on STGU.  That was the reason for the "falling out" plain and simple.  I've tried to reach out to you but you seem hell bent on being angry with me as if I've personally wronged you.  I haven't.   I offered to resolve the issues with you but never heard back.  I have posted on this site in the past and have experienced the fans opinions here.  I certainly can't post on every single site that exists.  As for your site, after the treatment I recieved from you outlined in my post, I don't know why I should visit there.  You say I've made enemies there, well, not because I've done anything to them. 

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The statement that Katherine said about you resigning and of the complete incompetence of you running this gaming franchise will be brought into the open, and i KNOW you are not ready for it...i am.]


This still puzzles me...don't know what I've personally done to either of you.  I'd love to hear it though.  Why are you so angry with me?  Could you please tell me once and for all how I've personally upset you so much that you would say such things?

What is it that you want?  I've made offers to try to help you but you never responded.

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Frey, sorry for this, but someone has to tell lang what a lot of gamers are thinking of this games franchise, its seems obvious that lang himself quite frankly doesnt give a crap.


Not true, or otherwise I won't be posting.  Where do you come up with a question like that?

Once again, I'd love to hear why you seem to have such hatred towards me.  I've answered all of your questions and have a few of my own.

I can take criticism, but you go beyond that.  It's not a matter of "standing up to Paramount" but hostile and personal attack.
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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2005, 12:37:00 am »
Ok ...let me make this perfectly clear...

These forums do NOT exist for use by individuals  to engage in perpetual conflict with Other users ,third party sites, companies, or their employees....

These forums exist, and are hosted for, the enjoyment of the StarFleet Command Comunity...

This informational post has turned into an obvious airing of personal grievences...real or otherwise....and serves NO useful purpose other to inflame and illicit negative responces.

This post serves notice that such behaviour will stop imediately....or the disrputive individuals involved will be shown the door.

The choice is entirely yours ,this thread will remain open, pending future behaviour.

Sincerly,

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« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2005, 10:18:50 am »
*sigh*

Just when I think I'm going to see some new and interesting info about ST and all it encompasses someone has to jump in and air their past dirty delicates.

So, Harry, you got any poop on any movement for ST:Enterprise? Any juicy rumors? How about game wise?

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« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2005, 12:26:18 am »
*sigh*

Just when I think I'm going to see some new and interesting info about ST and all it encompasses someone has to jump in and air their past dirty delicates.

So, Harry, you got any poop on any movement for ST:Enterprise? Any juicy rumors? How about game wise?

Jerry

Hi Jerry.  Sorry, nothing to report on Ent. from my perspective.  I'm not involved with the show.  Game wise - well, we're working to rectify that.  Hope to have more good news on that front soon.

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« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2005, 12:58:52 am »
Man, I can't wait.

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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2005, 05:52:30 pm »
Victoria, the main reason why I still play SFC is that its based on SFB (one of my favorite board games).  There will most lilkely never be another game based on SFB again which means I will be playing SFC for a looooooooooonnnnnggg time. 

And I agree with pestilance.  I feel its is wrong to pay a monthly fee to play online.  If you pay a copy of a game in a store, you should have the right to play it free if it offers multiplayer.  That sounds an awful lot like how EA Sports works with its sports titles for example. 
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« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2005, 06:20:53 pm »
Yeah, in my opinion if it's pay to play, then you shouldn't have to pay to get yourself setup in the first place (as in buying the software).  Now a lot of those games come with a few months free that you might argue compensates for the price of the game, but it' better cover it all, in my opinion.  Otherwise it's just double dipping as far as I'm concerned.

I play SFC for a lot more reasons than it just being SFB based, though.  I appreciate it, having played SFB in my youth (which makes it a little more familiar), and truthfully the claim that it was based on SFB was the reason I gave this Trek game a shot after not having bought Trek games for a long time due to their history of being just bad.  I thought, "well, if it's based on that they've got at least a good base" and they did.  I continue to play it, though, because it is a deep and diverse game, many things to do and learn and diversity of function between all of it's elements.

The thing that gets me is the diversity of the game.  You can't use a Plasma the same as Photon, or an ESG, it just wouldn't work. It requires different strategies in order to get hits, and so forth.  They are just completely different, which is something a lot of Trek games don't offer.  In a lot of the others a Photon is a Disruptor, is a you name it.  They all work the same, they all take the same essential tactic to get them to work, it's a no brainer.  Take the biggest gun line it up and press the button, which is unfortunate since Trek offers such a great field of depth, which SFB/SFC demonstrates, it's unfortunate that more folks don't take advantage of the possabilities.

I do have to say that the concept behind STO does interest me, but with no PvP I do find myself thinking I would get bored.  Now, it would afford me to finally get a chance to play Fed for once (I always take a different faction if possible because so many folks play Fed and so few play the other races.  I guess everyone wants to be like their heros on screen.  Of course my heroes were Mark Leonard as the Romulan commander, and various Klingons.  Man they were cool, but that Romulan commander, boy he was the slickest of the slick.  Even though he died), but fighting the AI for months, where does that go really?  What I'm wanting is an expanded dynaverse setting.  Something where you create the universe through your conquests, online, fighting to keep territory and whatnot.   Something on that scale might be worth paying to play month, after month.

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« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2005, 11:08:30 pm »
   Victoria if you want to try a Trek MMO. soon this will be coming out in June and it is nonprofit fan made game.It is called Destiny's Wind.Go here and real all about it.

http://www.strategyplanet.com/stgd/

  It is the hard talk at the upper right hand corner if Victoria does return after the treatment she got in this thread I am unsure.
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« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2005, 07:37:26 pm »
Actually I went over to Gamespy after Mplague died and so did a few others, though many people didn'tand I would have liked to keep in touch with a few of them. Anyways I think Star Trek Online is a great idea, partly because it is what Star Trek is all about. There are a few reasons a lot of Star Trek games haven't done well and I think what is to blame is that no ST game to date has really captured what it is Star Trek is. Just a Thought.

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« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2005, 09:19:24 am »
Well I for one am looking forward to it, but I think its going to take alot to pull it off (for trekkers anyways)

It will be interesting to see how they pull space travel off, interactions on ships and exploration.  The benefit to MMO's is the constant content updates, along with the ability to play with thousands upon thousands of people.  (which is what you pay your monthly subscription for, and frankly with all the games I toy around with, not spending 50$ for a game I finish in 2 weeks is a blessing)


Far a MMO's with 0 pvp, City of Heroes started that way and has been very successful, you simply need good story lines to work with. 
What will push STO ahead will be the preliminary storyline, I feel as long as they follow a particular path and expand upon WRITTEN ST history, it will be a game to contend with the best.
Hopefully it will not follow the ST track record as of late, but I would place a bet it will be quite similiar to SW Galaxies.

I will buy it simply to live out a character in the trek world, hopefully it will hold my interest.

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« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2005, 05:02:50 pm »
Well I for one am looking forward to it, but I think its going to take alot to pull it off (for trekkers anyways)

It will be interesting to see how they pull space travel off, interactions on ships and exploration.  The benefit to MMO's is the constant content updates, along with the ability to play with thousands upon thousands of people.  (which is what you pay your monthly subscription for, and frankly with all the games I toy around with, not spending 50$ for a game I finish in 2 weeks is a blessing)


Far a MMO's with 0 pvp, City of Heroes started that way and has been very successful, you simply need good story lines to work with. 
What will push STO ahead will be the preliminary storyline, I feel as long as they follow a particular path and expand upon WRITTEN ST history, it will be a game to contend with the best.
Hopefully it will not follow the ST track record as of late, but I would place a bet it will be quite similiar to SW Galaxies.

I will buy it simply to live out a character in the trek world, hopefully it will hold my interest.

See you all there :)

STO does have some PvP...your will be able to do pvp in the holodeck..

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What will you do on the holodeck?
Relax, train, or perhaps engage in PvP competitions with players networked from all over the galaxy. You may also be able to play other custom made holodeck programs made by other people!

Its not so bad..

Offline The_Apocolypse

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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #32 on: March 31, 2005, 05:10:02 pm »
I don't think that pvp is really that important. Now if you can be Romulan and you run into a Klingon well then maybe. Otherwise I think it could get stupid people just killing other people for no reason at all. There needs to be some common goal to be achieved maybe like killing Borg, or Romulans but not the Federation killing other members of the Federation.

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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #33 on: April 02, 2005, 05:59:18 pm »
Is there an official site for STO yet or somewhere I can get more information about the game?  Are the developers involved with the community yet?

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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2005, 03:14:45 pm »
Is there an official site for STO yet or somewhere I can get more information about the game?  Are the developers involved with the community yet?


No official site yet, too early.  But the official forum where the developers are actively participating is here:

http://boards.startrek.com/community/messages.html?act=SF;f=15

Official FAQ is at the top.

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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2005, 08:42:45 am »
Cool thanks Harry
I had a sig, but the dog ate it.

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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2005, 06:16:18 pm »
Victoria...hmmm...limmee see...a Klingon with HOV?

You are only partially right.  Two killing events happened in fairly close proximity (I think about six months apart)...the one you mentioned and also SFC2...a game that promised much but delivered little.  A game that was out of specs to SFB and thus imbalanced with their experimentations on drones, bugs with pont defense, fighter problems, race imbalances,  and a DYNAVERSE that took them too long to put up.  And bugs...so many bugs to crical systems like the cloak.



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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2005, 06:26:55 pm »
I suppose I should mention this...the third and last "blow" to the SFC community (which still survives) was self-inflicted.

When SFC OP came out the community initially rejected it.  That was due primarily to the presence of the X ships, which many players felt were "too much" (despite the fact that many of them flew more like SFC1 ships). 

Another thing I would say is that SFB is not the only reason why people still play SFC.  SFC is a game in its own right.  It has many of the elements of chess and survives because it is a very good thing to play once you master it.

Unfortunately SFC is not in the public domain and chess is.  One can only wonder what would have been the fate of "chess" had it been developed in the 20th century, and had it's rights owned by some company whose only real motive was to make a profit from the lowest common denominator.

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Re: Star Trek Online....
« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2005, 06:30:43 pm »
ok let me get into this discussion with some wise points to make anyone against paying to play think again.

Reasons you should pay to play

the main reason, the best reason the only reason you should EVER pay to play is if you like the game, because any arguments for or against this method begin and end at if you like the game. Because let's face it, it is obvious if you do not like the game I cannot convince you to pay to play it.

so first

1) you must like the game, and it must go beyond like. It is an addictive like, a game so good so fun so (well for this one) represtative of the star trek universe that you being a fan love it so much you have that burn to play it.

2) you could find alot more stupid things to waste 15 U.s dollars on a month. Whether it be some subscription to some game magazine, buying some stupid expensive food you like... going to McCdonalds everyday...or going to the movies twice a week or something. Point is there iS SOMETHING ELSE not worth it that you spend 15 u.s on a month that you could cut out to afford to play this game.

3) most new games cost about average 49.99 u.s for the PC, divide that by 15 and you get 3. Now I don;t know about you but most games I buy, half life 2...doom 3, starfleet command, most the trek games, I stopped playing after 3 months... I MIGHT go back to it later with mods etc etc...but as it is stand alone... stop playing. And for one month at 15 dollars you could decide whether or not it is a game you want ot keep playing, plus im sure they will have free trials to do that.

4) in life there are not many things we find to enjoy so much, so if you find that you DO actually like the game... don't let a 15 dollar fee a month deter you. This point here is targeted at people who play the game and like it, but say that because they have to pay to continue to play they will back out. If you like it.. 15 dollars a month is not too much for something you enjoy.

5) how much money do you make? I am not rich I am not poor, I am not well off.. I have a house a car a job... and a computer...and I'm married with a baby on the way I have resposibilities and U.S dollars is twice my dollars...but if I liked the game 30 dollars a month is not something I would find difficulty paying in terms of money... The only people who would find difficulty paying that might be minimum wage people. And I doubt most star trek gamers are minimum wage.

I guess my whole argument for pay to play is aimed at people who CAN afford 15 a month but just can't get over the idea of paying to play, even though it is a game you will enjoy.... I mean what do you want to do with 15 dollars every month that is more enjoyable than playing a game you like? You can't take the money with you when you die, and maybe in 4-5 years time you won't even be interested in playing games... so do something you enjoy, while you can enjoy it.

15 month is  $180 / year. after 5  years thats less than $1000 saved.... lets be realistic saving less than 1000 every year is NOT ideal.

15 is too negligable and amount to say you won't pay it for something you like....


that is all thanks

btw im a police officer...so you know I dont make much money.  I would more wish I had 15 hours a month to myself to play it, than 15 dollars to pay.