Topic: Playoffs (Winter '04-'05 Season) (Read 11980 times)

GDA-Kel · « **on:** March 04, 2005, 08:47:01 am »

Playoffs will begin as soon as the regular season ends. Here’s the bracket I have been thinking about. Unless there is strong opposition, this is what we will be using:

Match #1
1st place Delta Semifinal #1
vs. Match#1 winner
4th place Alpha vs.
Match #2 winner
Match #2
2nd place Delta Championship Match
vs. Semifinal #1 winner
3rd place Alpha vs
Semifinal #2 winner
Match #3
3rd place Delta Semifinal #2
vs. Match #3 winner
2nd place Alpha vs.
Match #4 winner
Match #4
4th place Delta
vs.
1st place Alpha

Tiebreakers to determine final standings:

1st tiebreaker: best divisional record
2nd tiebreaker: best overall record
3rd tiebreaker: best head-to-head record
4th tiebreaker: coin toss

Nomad · « **Reply #1 on:** March 09, 2005, 10:10:12 pm »

I am a little confused.

I thought this was like the football league.

Best overall record in each division.

Then if 2 teams had the same overall record, then we would go for divisional record as the first tie breaker, then head to head etc.

KBF-Butcher · « **Reply #2 on:** March 10, 2005, 05:24:09 am »

I had the feeling that this would be like the previous cycles:The first place fleets of each division go to the playoffs.Since though we only have 4 in each division then at least i beleive we should somehow award the fleets that won most matches in the regular season so the wins there will have a meaning.

Therefore this is what i suggest wich is very similar to the previous cycles.

4thplace delta and alpha are disqualified from the playoffs.
Delta division:3rdplace vs 2ndplace ->Semifinals:winner vs 1stplace they fight for the Delta divisional championship and for the league final match
Alpha division:3rdplace vs 2ndplace ->Semifinals:winner vs 1stplace they fight for the Alpha divisional championship and for the league final match

Match #1
2nd place Delta Semifinal #1(delta champion)
vs. 1st place delta
3rd place Delta vs.
Match #1 winner Championship Match
Semifinal #1 winner
vs
Semifinal #2 winner
Semifinal #2(Alpha champion)
1st place alpha
vs
Match #2 Match #2 winner
2nd place Alpha
vs.
3rd place Alpha

GDA-Kel · « **Reply #3 on:** March 11, 2005, 11:24:34 am »

Quote from: [ISC]Butcher on March 10, 2005, 05:24:09 am

I had the feeling that this would be like the previous cycles:The first place fleets of each division go to the playoffs.Since though we only have 4 in each division then at least i beleive we should somehow award the fleets that won most matches in the regular season so the wins there will have a meaning.

Therefore this is what i suggest wich is very similar to the previous cycles.

4thplace delta and alpha are disqualified from the playoffs.
Delta division:3rdplace vs 2ndplace ->Semifinals:winner vs 1stplace they fight for the Delta divisional championship and for the league final match
Alpha division:3rdplace vs 2ndplace ->Semifinals:winner vs 1stplace they fight for the Alpha divisional championship and for the league final match

Match #1
2nd place Delta Semifinal #1(delta champion)
vs. 1st place delta
3rd place Delta vs.
Match #1 winner Championship Match
Semifinal #1 winner
vs
Semifinal #2 winner
Semifinal #2(Alpha champion)
1st place alpha
vs
Match #2 Match #2 winner
2nd place Alpha
vs.
3rd place Alpha

I thought one of the negatives about previous cycles was if a fleet has a bad record and already knew it wouldnt make the playoffs, then there was further dis-incentive to finish the regular season. With only 8 teams, it made sense (to me) to arrange all 8 in a playoff bracket.

The other aspect you noticed was cross-divisional pairings in the brackets. This was done so if one bracket had exceptionally good fleets in it (i.e it was a hard divison), a team with a mediocre record in that division wouldn't be penalized by having to face a team from the same diviision in the 1st round.

Here in the US, every year this time, we have a huge sporting event called 'March Madness' where the top 64 college basketball teams participate in a single elimination tournament to crown the overall champion. The best teams in the country in the regular season are rewarded in two ways: (1) given a venue that is geographically close to their University, thereby giving them somewhat of a 'home court advantage.' (2) is giving them a 16th seed to play in the first round (i.e. one of the 4 weakest teams in the tournament).

We cannot simulate 'home court advantage' in our league. I can reward better fleets (i.e. better regular season record) with a 1st round matchup against the weakest fleet in the opposing division.

Having said all that, this is YOUR league, and I am a lame-duck commissioner. I will create whatever tournament format that is agreeable to the majority of fleets.

Speak now or forever hold your peace!

GDA-Kel · « **Reply #4 on:** March 11, 2005, 11:33:32 am »

Quote from: Nomad on March 09, 2005, 10:10:12 pm

I am a little confused.

I thought this was like the football league.

Best overall record in each division.

Then if 2 teams had the same overall record, then we would go for divisional record as the first tie breaker, then head to head etc.

You are correct. The 1st and 2nd tiebreakers should be reversed.

KBF-Butcher · « **Reply #5 on:** March 11, 2005, 11:36:40 am »

I m ok with the idea of cross-divisional pairings .
I do beleive though that the regular season record should have better value.

FPF-Bach · « **Reply #6 on:** March 11, 2005, 04:15:53 pm »

Quote from: [ISC]Butcher on March 11, 2005, 11:36:40 am

I do beleive though that the regular season record should have better value.

Me too.

762_XC · « **Reply #7 on:** March 12, 2005, 01:13:02 am »

Why not let the team with the better record select terrain for Game #3 of each match?

FPF-Bach · « **Reply #8 on:** March 12, 2005, 12:06:30 pm »

Quote from: 762_XC on March 12, 2005, 01:13:02 am

Why not let the team with the better record select terrain for Game #3 of each match?

What if it doesn't get to game 3?

762_XC · « **Reply #9 on:** March 12, 2005, 12:21:54 pm »

Then it doesn't. Home-court advantage shouldn't be a slam-dunk.

I guess they could pick Game 1 instead.

FPF-Bach · « **Reply #10 on:** March 13, 2005, 06:28:30 pm »

Why don't we just have to top 2 teams from each division face off to decide the champions.

If the last place team were to win everything they would essentially be given a second chanse after a bad season. This directly ditracts from the teams that are on top of each division.

Just for for thought I guess...not sure what the best answer might be but I'm not partial to the current setup.

KBF-Butcher · « **Reply #11 on:** March 13, 2005, 06:44:02 pm »

With the setup i propose the last place team wont qualify to the playoffs but at the same time gives to the fleets that r currently in the last places the chance to fight ,till the end of the reg season ,for the 3rd place that will give them the right to go on.
The first fleet in each division will be rewarded to qualify directly to the semifinals.
The 3rd and second place fleets will play to qualify to the semi finals.
This way all fleets will have something to fight for ,till the last match of the regular season.

FPF-Bach · « **Reply #12 on:** March 13, 2005, 06:45:39 pm »

Quote from: [ISC]Butcher on March 13, 2005, 06:44:02 pm

With the setup i propose the last place team wont qualify to the playoffs but at the same time gives to the fleets that r currently in the last places the chance to fight ,till the end of the reg season ,for the 3rd place that will give them the right to go on.
The first fleet in each division will be rewarded to qualify directly to the semifinals.
The 3rd and second place fleets will play to qualify to the semi finals.
This way we just cut it in the middle of what Kel suggests and what it used to be.

I should have read your idea more closly. This is a good compromise I like it alot better.

Dfly · « **Reply #13 on:** March 19, 2005, 08:09:29 pm »

I agree with Butcher's idea of playoffs even though I am on a 4th place team with little or no chance of making the playoffs. Kel's idea is good too. The only suggestion I can make for Butcher's idea is to have the 2nd place Alpha play the 3rd place Delta, and the 2nd place Delta to play the 3rd place Alpha, just to show a bit more interaction between the Quadrants.

KBF-Butcher · « **Reply #14 on:** March 20, 2005, 11:52:26 am »

Quote from: Dfly on March 19, 2005, 08:09:29 pm

The only suggestion I can make for Butcher's idea is to have the 2nd place Alpha play the 3rd place Delta, and the 2nd place Delta to play the 3rd place Alpha, just to show a bit more interaction between the Quadrants.

Yeah right as i posted i agree with Kel 's idea of cross-divisional pairings so...

As we are reaching close to the playoffs i beleive we should make a decision about what playoffs setup we want.

Option A:

Match #1
1st place Delta Semifinal #1
vs. Match#1 winner
4th place Alpha vs.
Match #2 winner
Match #2
2nd place Delta Championship Match
vs. Semifinal #1 winner
3rd place Alpha vs
Semifinal #2 winner
Match #3
3rd place Delta Semifinal #2
vs. Match #3 winner
2nd place Alpha vs.
Match #4 winner
Match #4
4th place Delta
vs.
1st place Alpha

Tiebreakers to determine final standings:

1st tiebreaker: best divisional record
2nd tiebreaker: best overall record
3rd tiebreaker: best head-to-head record
4th tiebreaker: coin toss

Option B:

Match #1
2nd place Delta Semifinal #1
vs. 1st place delta
3rd place Alpha vs.
Match #1 winner Championship Match
Semifinal #1 winner
vs
Semifinal #2 winner
Semifinal #2
1st place alpha
vs
Match #2 Match #2 winner
2nd place Alpha
vs.
3rd place Delta

Anyone may has another option please post it.

May the fleet repr post what option they want for the upcoming playoffs setup

Dfly · « **Reply #15 on:** March 20, 2005, 02:00:36 pm »

TSC prefers option A, only because it guarantees 4th place a chance in the playoffs. Do remember that 4th place in either division would most likely have been beaten by nearly every fleet it faced.

if option B is to be chosen, TSC has no problem with that.

FPF-Bach · « **Reply #16 on:** March 20, 2005, 05:13:33 pm »

FPF votes for option B.

Kroma BaSyl · « **Reply #17 on:** March 20, 2005, 09:31:12 pm »

Option 1 or A.

[ISC]Phaser · « **Reply #18 on:** March 21, 2005, 10:36:54 am »

ISC votes option B

KBF-Butcher · « **Reply #19 on:** March 22, 2005, 12:27:19 pm »

FSD , SoV ,9th and KHH if u could vote so we could close this issue ..

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