Topic: BattleStar Galactica Episode 8 Tonight - SciFi Channel 10 P.M. (Read 4418 times)

TheJudge · « **on:** February 25, 2005, 11:11:43 am »

Tonight's episode is called Flesh & Bone, and is another Starbuck-centric episode.

Still recovering from her recent injury, Starbuck is being bounced around between different tasks in order to keep her busy and motivated for continued recovery. When another human-looking Cylon is discovered in the fleet (this time the same model as the one found at the Ragnar Space Station who was killed personally by Commander Adama), Starbuck is tapped to interrogate the prisoner. Meanwhile Chief Tyrel has a deep conversation with Boomer that reveals a little too much of her conflicted nature and President Roslyn continues to try to carve out her authority over Adama.

Tonight's episode is very important, even though it is a little bit slow in certain areas. Starbuck could give the Cardassians some lessons in torture, both mental and physical, and I'm assuming she picked up the ideas from her Pilot Survival Training (the earth version of which gives pilots some great ideas on torture). President Roslyn's personal conflicts with Adama really take off as a result of this episode, and grows until the climax in Episodes 12 and 13. This also establishes her very important relationship with Starbuck.

(no lesbian action...yet)

The even better news is that we're now two weeks away from the heavy-action oriented Episode 10 - The Hand of God.

P.S. Ron Moore has a new blog up that really blew me out of the water. I don't think anyone except JMS has ever been so forthright on a mistake made in a broadcast episode. He discusses the mistake made in the Mini-series with the character of President Roslyn and what he intended, but didn't film because of budget constraints.

NJAntman · « **Reply #1 on:** February 25, 2005, 01:10:27 pm »

Got a link to that blog?

TheJudge · « **Reply #2 on:** February 25, 2005, 02:59:42 pm »

http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/

I'm hoping he answers my questions next week with the Q&A he does. I asked for a count of the Raptors (as requested here), and why Boomer gets all the studly ECO for her Raptor.

NJAntman · « **Reply #3 on:** February 25, 2005, 07:35:12 pm »

Thanks for the link. Loved this part -

"was this the first show to ever show a Bathroom on a space ship?"

It's ground-breaking TV, baby. Talk about reinventing the genre

TheJudge · « **Reply #4 on:** February 25, 2005, 09:56:58 pm »

Quote from: NJAntman on February 25, 2005, 07:35:12 pm

Thanks for the link. Loved this part -

"was this the first show to ever show a Bathroom on a space ship?"

It's ground-breaking TV, baby. Talk about reinventing the genre

I've seen shows that used the URINALS in a bathroom, but the stalls where you take a dump...nope. Plus, have you noticed that there's always a slight sexual undertone between any scene with Baltar and Gaeda in it? I think Gaeda loves Baltar secretly. Notice Gaeda's feet the way they move when Baltar starts speaking.

TheJudge · « **Reply #5 on:** February 26, 2005, 11:53:19 am »

So...any comments on last night's episode? I personally think the Leoben Cylon is a cool character and wish we'd see more of him (he's cuter than the other male). Also, Caprica-version Boomer is now directly violating the orders of the other cylons in order to protect Helo. Could she be the first Cylon to really KNOW love instead of just reacting to a line of programming?

Coming next week...the real reason why Colonel Tigh drinks too much shows up as Adama reunites him with his wife.

NJAntman · « **Reply #6 on:** February 26, 2005, 04:33:44 pm »

When I see Gaeda I get the feeling he is a Cylon, something about his attitude towards Baltar.

TheJudge · « **Reply #7 on:** February 26, 2005, 04:53:47 pm »

Hehe, Cylon love at its best...

Oh, Stephen, still waiting on your thoughts....

Villa64 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 26, 2005, 06:29:54 pm »

Well, as far as comments...

1. I have yet another example of Cylons getting into humans' heads. In this case it was the presidents dreams. Makes me think that they have some means to do that.

2. I didnt make the connection about the President disapproving of Starbuck or Adama. It seemed to me that she showed up at the interrogation at the eleventh hour and played a little 'good cop, bad cop' without telling Starbuck what she was up to. Once she got what she wanted, she spaced the little bastard. Ruthless beeeotch, isnt she?

3. When I watched it, I couldnt help but thinking of some of the H&S threads about Gitmo and AG. hmmm.

4. Seems like the Cylons can be pretty strong when they need to be.

5. Someone posted a link to the full online '33'. There was a scene where the Cylon tells Baltar she wants children. There seems to be something up with the Cylons wanting humans to accept them spiritually, and biologically. Lots of previous mentions along these lines, and more in this episode.

6. 'You will find Kobol'. Cool. Is the guy precognizant? Do the Cylons know that Kobol is along their flight path? Or are the Cylons setting up a little Kobol ruse (like back on Caprica with the bomb shelter, and the cabin setup?

Thats about it. This could turn out to be a popular show. Funny what happens when you tell stories about people, rather than technology and dogfights.

Villa

TheJudge · « **Reply #9 on:** February 26, 2005, 10:36:01 pm »

Yeah, there's several people on the sci-fi boards moaning about the lack of focus on technology, or details about the technology. They keep saying the show will fail because the technology isn't fleshed out, but I have to point out that BSG is on a cable network pulling in ratings that beat Enterprise which is on a broadcast network. It being about the characters really makes a difference (and really that's when Enterprise was at its best, dealing with the characters more than the tech.)

Capt_Bearslayer_XC · « **Reply #10 on:** February 27, 2005, 12:50:10 am »

What idiots.... the characters make the show.... the tech just provides a back ground.

Also, I really think your Gaeda-Gaius love fest is a fantasy.

TheJudge · « **Reply #11 on:** February 27, 2005, 01:40:57 pm »

Quote from: Bearslayer on February 27, 2005, 12:50:10 am

What idiots.... the characters make the show.... the tech just provides a back ground.

Also, I really think your Gaeda-Gaius love fest is a fantasy.

Yeah, well, fantasy is good.

I couldn't believe it when I found myself starting to be attracted to Baltar. I mean, the old series I hated him, and during the new mini-series I found him slightly repugnant. Now I find him repugnant and somehow attractive at the same time. It's warped I tell ya!

Gaeda is like a love-sick puppy dog begging to be slapped around, though.

Commander La'ra · « **Reply #12 on:** February 27, 2005, 04:44:00 pm »

Quote from: Bearslayer on February 27, 2005, 12:50:10 am

Also, I really think your Gaeda-Gaius love fest is a fantasy.

On one hand, I'm inclined to agree with Bearslayer's assesment.

One the other hand, I noticed that Gaeda's name is pronounced Gay-duh.

"Gay! Duh!"

So...who knows?

Villa64 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 01, 2005, 10:04:13 pm »

AAAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!

I just saw the preview for the next BSG.

Forget all the nice crap I said about the President.

THAT BIOTCH THINKS THE COMMANDER IS A CYLON!!

Arrgh. Just cant get through to some people!!

<...man, I gotta get a life..>

GDA-S'Cipio · « **Reply #14 on:** March 02, 2005, 09:59:37 am »

Quote from: Villa64 on March 01, 2005, 10:04:13 pm

AAAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!

I just saw the preview for the next BSG.

Forget all the nice crap I said about the President.

THAT BIOTCH THINKS THE COMMANDER IS A CYLON!!

Arrgh. Just cant get through to some people!!

<...man, I gotta get a life..>

What if she's right?

<insert Twilight Zone music>

-S'Cipio

TheJudge · « **Reply #15 on:** March 02, 2005, 10:24:34 am »

Woot, this week's is a good episode...Colonel Tigh's wife is...amusing in the extreme. Still, next week's episode is fracking awesome, I tell ya!

Villa64 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 05, 2005, 09:52:28 am »

AAUUGH!!

The XO's wife! What a great character. My first thought was that anyone who had spent some time in the military had met someone married to HER. I know I have. Met, that is, not married.

Is she a recurring character? I guess the Cylons werent destructive enough.

Pestalence_XC · « **Reply #17 on:** March 05, 2005, 10:09:39 am »

I think she is a Cylon.. the 5th model to be shown on screen

TheJudge · « **Reply #18 on:** March 05, 2005, 12:02:52 pm »

She makes an appearance in Episode 11 - Colonial Day, and BOY does she show her evil fangs there. That episode featurs Tom Zarek as well (Richard Hatch), and starts to wrap up the loose ends from Episode 3 (namely elections).

I loved the scene where her and Baltar shook hands...it was like two sluts eyeing each other up and down and preparing to piss in order to mark their territories.

Commander La'ra · « **Reply #19 on:** March 06, 2005, 09:11:25 am »

I actually hope she's NOT a Cylon. Baltar, thanks to the chip in the head and what he went through when he found out he'd screwed his own race, has sympathetic aspects. She's just destructive because she likes to be, and in a very believable way. Hence, making her a Cylon would be kind of a cop out, I think.

GDA-S'Cipio · « **Reply #20 on:** March 06, 2005, 06:04:34 pm »

I missed the mini-series, so maybe I'm missing some old plot elements. However, I've noticed in the last two episodes that the main characters seem to fear that people they know have been replaced by cylons.

Perhaps there once was a real Boomer, but my impression from watching the series and hearing her orphan story is that there was not. Nor have I seen evidence that either of the other two cylons found on Galactica were ever real.

Has there ever been a case shown (yet) of someone human being replaced by a cylon, or have all humanoid cylons been simple sleeper agents with phoney backgrounds?

[Spoiler, if you've waited two weeks to see your Tivo/videotape]

On a seperate note, I'm a little confused by Baltar refusing to expose Boomer now that his test shows her to be cylon. I know why he didn't tell Boomer at the time, she'd have killed him. But he could have told Adama later in perfect safety, and proven himself an irreplacable hero of the fleet. (Whether he ever took the time and effort to run another real test or not.)

What's more, the decision to fake all the tests as "green" seems to be his idea; not the idea of the chip in his head, based upon their conversation at the end of this weeks episode. (Though she does seem to have dropped the threat that he build a working detector or else she will kill him. Not sure why she makes him build it, if she isn't going to make him use it.)

-S'Cipio

Capt_Bearslayer_XC · « **Reply #21 on:** March 06, 2005, 07:14:41 pm »

What I can't wait to see is Baltar trying to explain himself when the command structure finds out that the Cylon detector is a big lie.

Also, I loved the ending with everyone doing their thing and Baltar daydreaming of Six being with him swiveling around in the chair... I about died laughing when I saw it....

The rest of the folks must think he is an insane genius....

GDA-S'Cipio · « **Reply #22 on:** March 06, 2005, 09:56:53 pm »

Quote from: Bearslayer on March 06, 2005, 07:14:41 pm

What I can't wait to see is Baltar trying to explain himself when the command structure finds out that the Cylon detector is a big lie.

That's what I'm talking about. I can understand a man of weak principals simply not wanting to put in 60 years of mind-numbing work to test everyone in the fleet. I can even sympathise.

But if you want to slack off, be lazy, and avoid hassle, why not go ahead and identify the one cylon you know you've already found? That way, if anyone ever questions you, you can point to Boomer and say, "Of course my test works! Look at the cylon I already found!" There would be no extra work involved and it would be great cover for your arse.

Of course, I'm still really curious to find out why chip-lady is willing to kill him if he doesn't build a working cylon detectore, but doesn't care that he doesn't use it once it's built.

-S'Cipio

The_Joker · « **Reply #23 on:** March 07, 2005, 01:24:44 am »

Because the Cylon that she wants exposed hasn't presented themselve's fully, yet. There appears to be a "glitch" in Sharon's programming. The fully "Cylon" Sharon on Caprica has fallen in love with Helo and is now apparently helping him escape the planet, instead of following orders. The sleeper agent on the Galactica obviously doesn't want to believe she is Cylon. Six needs a working Cylon detector in case she needs to prove that a trusted member of Galactica's crew is Cylon so that person can get similar treatment to the last one.

Villa64 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 07, 2005, 07:32:45 am »

Baltar recognizes the 'Cylon Detector' as the extremely powerful device that it is. It could be two tin cans with some string attached, but the ability to point and say 'that guy there is a Cylon', and have credibility, gives him power. And he doesnt care what color the indicator is, all he has to do is point. He isnt afraid of Cylons. He does need some clout in the fleet, though. And this could be huge when the right time comes.

Paranoia will destroy ya.

I think thats the underlying theme here and the huge Achilles heel of the fleet.

Villa

Death_Merchant · « **Reply #25 on:** March 07, 2005, 10:53:36 am »

Quote from: GDA-S'Cipio on March 06, 2005, 09:56:53 pm

Of course, I'm still really curious to find out why chip-lady is willing to kill him if he doesn't build a working cylon detectore, but doesn't care that he doesn't use it once it's built.

-S'Cipio

Everyone assumes Six is due to a "chip-in-the-head". This is Baltar's own rationalization.
There is another potential explanation....

Maybe there is no "chip".
Perhaps, just perhaps, the good Doctor is simply and quietly going mad...

benbean · « **Reply #26 on:** March 08, 2005, 07:57:10 am »

So many points for me to comment on...

But I've seen all the episodes, so i'll hold my water for now

ben.

TheJudge · « **Reply #27 on:** March 10, 2005, 02:23:15 am »

Three more weeks of new episodes in Season One, and then we can all discuss the big shocker(s) in the last two episodes.

For now, I have to say that my absolute favorite episode so far is the one that will play on Friday night - Episdoe 10 - The Hand of God. It has SO MUCH going on in it that there's almost too many good scenes to point out. If you've seen the commercials, you've seen two of the best scenes character-wise, where Adama points out to Starbuch WHY she can't fly the lead slot in the attack, and then when she says she never wanted the job he gave to her. His response gets a thrill out of me every time.

TheJudge · « **Reply #28 on:** March 10, 2005, 02:32:14 am »

Oh my gods, you have got to see this deleted scene:

http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season01/109/

It's the middle one where Baltar is drawing blood from Starbuck for the Cylon tester...

#6 to Baltar: You really need to get down her pants. I'll join you.

Later...

Baltar to Starbuck: May I have my ball back please?

#6 to Baltar: See, it won't be such a bad 61 years after all (referring to the time it takes to test everyone in the fleet.)

Hehehehe

The other two scenes...well the one with Chief Tyrol was important, but not necessary to upping the friggin paranoia and the one between Dualla and Gaeta was cute, but again not really integral.

GDA-S'Cipio · « **Reply #29 on:** March 10, 2005, 11:17:16 am »

Quote from: Death_Merchant on March 07, 2005, 10:53:36 am

Quote from: GDA-S'Cipio on March 06, 2005, 09:56:53 pm
Of course, I'm still really curious to find out why chip-lady is willing to kill him if he doesn't build a working cylon detectore, but doesn't care that he doesn't use it once it's built.

-S'Cipio
Everyone assumes Six is due to a "chip-in-the-head". This is Baltar's own rationalization.
There is another potential explanation....

Maybe there is no "chip".
Perhaps, just perhaps, the good Doctor is simply and quietly going mad...

Hmmm... good speculation. Might be something to that.

I've got my own pet theory, that Cylons can project images into a human brain. Thus, Six can interact with Baltar's daydreams. (doesn't mean he isn't still going mad.) and can appear "in the flesh" when the mental approach isn't getting through.

Also, the other cylon can thus project himself into the presdent's dreams, so that his claim of Adama being a cylon is more believable when he allows himself to be found and plants his little psy-ops bomb.

This theory would require the cylon to know that the president would put him out the airlock so that his real end could match his dream end, but he might have taken that to be a very likely punishment. (And got lucky) Or maybe he was betting that the dream would nudge the president in that direction for his execution.

-S'Cipio

TheJudge · « **Reply #30 on:** March 11, 2005, 11:01:30 pm »

Then again the President's experimental herbal medication could be making her have real prophetic dreams.

Iceman · « **Reply #31 on:** March 12, 2005, 12:28:04 pm »

It's always possible the Cylons are actually prophets of some kind, don't ya think?

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