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Crew caused frigate crash
Ian McPhedran, defence reporter
10 February 2005
http://thecouriermail.com.au

THE navy's latest $500 million warship was driven backwards on to Christmas Island after crew failures caused computers to take control of the frigate.

A series of human errors prompted the computer system to override manual commands and the 180-strong ship's company had to stand by and watch as the new Anzac ship backed on to the island's rocky shoreline.

The 3600-tonne, hi-tech HMAS Ballarat, delivered to the navy last April, carries a missile-armed helicopter and has a 127mm gun and torpedoes and missiles.

The January 22 incident damaged both propellers and the rudder, leaving taxpayers with a bill of about $2 million and the navy with a major headache.

The debacle began when the ship was conducting a boat transfer during a planned U-turn manoeuvre at the island's port, Flying Fish Cove.

It had been operating in "port echo" or economy mode at the time.

The Courier-Mail has been told the move was supposed to take the warship inside a buoy which had another ship's mooring line attached to it.

As the ship approached the buoy it became clear to the crew on the bridge that it would not make it and would pass over the line, so they attempted to make an urgent "three-point" turn.

This was when things started to go seriously wrong.

Because the ship had only one of its three engines running, the crew tried and failed to run one propeller forward and one astern to conduct the radical turn.

Such a move is impossible with just one engine running.

At this point the control and monitoring system froze, the ship's computer took over and placed both propellers into reverse.

It shut down the engine soon afterwards, but by that stage the ship was travelling in reverse at a couple of knots.

It was facing away from shore and the hapless crew stood by and waited for the crunch as it simply reversed on to the rocky bottom.

The warship was later towed off the rocks by island barges.

The Courier-Mail understands that the special sea duty men, or "specials" – the ship's most experienced hands who usually man the bridge in confined waters – had not been on the bridge at the time.

Commodore Peter Lockwood from Maritime Command in Sydney said he could not comment on anything to be considered by a formal inquiry.

He said the ship left HMAS Stirling near Perth yesterday and would arrive at the Tenix shipyard in Melbourne for repairs early next week.

A navy board of inquiry will be conducted in Melbourne for three to five days from February 22, and the ship's captain Commander David Hunter could face a court martial.

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I sailed on the HMAS Darwin for a few days...trust the Aussies to get into an argument with their computers.
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I sailed on the HMAS Darwin for a few days...trust the Aussies to get into an argument with their computers.

... and loose to the damnable things!!! ;D
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I sailed on the HMAS Darwin for a few days...trust the Aussies to get into an argument with their computers.

... and loose to the damnable things!!! ;D

Cylons Mk. 1

It's beginning....


Oh, and the aussies have CARPET IN THEIR BERTHING COMPARTMENTS.  Real sailors wake up to cold tile, not warm carpeting. 

They do get two beers a night, and when they have an american slut on board they'll give up one of those beers to get him drunk...
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Please tell me the computer was not a HAL9000...please?
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Please tell me the computer was not a HAL9000...please?

I doubt it, but perhaps it was the brother of HAL? (hint: move every letter in 'HAL' up by one, so that y becomes z)
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Ya know what would be awful is if some terrorist got into microsoft, learned enough about their software to go in and release a bug into every warship and aircraft computer that uses their programs and either shut them down right before a major attack or actually took the systems over...


Okay, I've been watching to much Battlestar Galactica and got onto the Cylons=al-Queada trip...
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Please tell me the computer was not a HAL9000...please?

The computer was a Mycroft Holmes and it had a sense of humor. :)



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Please tell me the computer was not a HAL9000...please?

The computer was a Mycroft Holmes and it had a sense of humor. :)

That is so wrong...you ain't right, Postman, but you are funny as hell. +1
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Sorry to say even without fighting with the computers the Navy sucks in piloting in close quarters.
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Your Coast Guard, right?

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Your Coast Guard, right?

How'd you guess?  ;D

Yeah we are the guys always fixing the buoys the navy keeps running over. :)

There was one time they took a brand new minesweeper out of the docks in Lake Michigan and rammed it into the St Lawrence River locks. :)

Keep those boys out in the open water where there isn't much they can hit. LOL
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I'm not sure i like the the idea of any piece of military hardware trying to think on Its own.
 I have yet to see any incorruptible bug free software yet. and they allways seem to make to wrong decision.

 The more bells and whistles you add, the more you have to go berserk or fail in battle. And trust me ,for all of you guys who have not been there.

 The last fu#king thing you need when somebody is trying to shoot your butt off. Is your equipment arguing with you, or doing its own thing. ::)

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How'd you guess?  ;D

Believe I heard you mention something about being a radioman for them awhile back. Say something, and Tremok will remember.  ;)

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Yeah we are the guys always fixing the buoys the navy keeps running over. :)

There was one time they took a brand new minesweeper out of the docks in Lake Michigan and rammed it into the St Lawrence River locks. :)

Uhh... what's a minesweeper doing on the lakes? Are those pesky Cannucks up to something?

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She was probably built there
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How'd you guess?  ;D

Believe I heard you mention something about being a radioman for them awhile back. Say something, and Tremok will remember.  ;)

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Yeah we are the guys always fixing the buoys the navy keeps running over. :)

There was one time they took a brand new minesweeper out of the docks in Lake Michigan and rammed it into the St Lawrence River locks. :)

Uhh... what's a minesweeper doing on the lakes? Are those pesky Cannucks up to something?


As Max said she was built in Sturgeon Bay, WI
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Actually even well-trained people can be dipsh*ts. I know, I work with a lot of well-trained, experianced, class-one dipsh*ts. I'm a dipsh*t too =)

You see 99.9% of the time that computer saves your life, because, well it usually does know better.

Not quite that way on our warships. I got to tour the Ronny (San Diegos new carrier) a couple days back and while the ship is controlled from the CIC, the bridge does have a small steering-wheel on the bridge -- at the insistance of the navy. The days of captain tells talker tells helmsmen are over, and for good reason. Sometimes, due to circumstances the computers fail -- eh sh*t happens. But more often than not they make navigation on the highseas a whole lot safer, and much more fuel effecient.

Flat plasma screens have replaced the old begone days of the telegraph and ships wheel. Sure they might have been romantic ideas, but hey, we don't really miss the CAT or scurvy either right?

Well maybe the Judge misses the cat. lol

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Well maybe the Judge misses the cat. lol
No way he misses that furry little pussy   cat.
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Hehehe, imagine 17,000 tonnes of nuclear cruiser trying to back into the pier slot with a steady 15 knot-cross wind catching the large, square box of a forward superstructure.  Now, add a harbor pilot who assured the captain they could do it no problem and was quite confident until he ordered the helmsman to engage the port bow thrusters and the helmsman said "Bow thrusters?  What are those?"

that's when the captain took over and ordered back full on starboard.  We swung away from hitting the pier just in time.  Unfortunately, the harbor in Rodman, Panama had an anchorage for private yachts near the pier the Navy used, and we rammed one of the anchored yachts, totally obliterating it, much less sinking the thing.

Too bad for us it belonged to the base's Admiral, and he was a little upset about that...

We didn't pull in until the next day and this time there were three tugs waiting for us.  Oh, and the soviet sailors on the anchored merchantmen in the channel got some good pics of it all, as did I.  I should hunt them down, scan them and post in chronological order, including the smug grins of two buddies (one a nuke engineer and one a Damage Control specialist). 

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ahahahah  ;D i can only imaine the look on the Admiral face ehheheehh!  :police: