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Offline FPF-DieHard

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Learning from Mistakes . . .
« on: February 10, 2005, 02:34:32 pm »
Who else besides me thinks that the SGO4 setup would be really cool if run again with certain "corrections?"

EXAMPLE:   NO FRICKING ALLIANCES!!  Tone down the fighters a bit, loosen up the OOB, change the rules to encourage decicive engagement, no more fleeting of capital ships, put J'inn in charge, keep Agave out of the BBVZ, etc  . . .

I think the scenario itself is good and refereshing.  Would be nice to try again 'learning from the first run.

I've played "Axis and Allies" about 100 times, why should a good server concept be any different?
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Re: Learning from Mistakes . . .
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2005, 02:40:28 pm »
I for one would be all for it... ;D
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Re: Learning from Mistakes . . .
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2005, 02:41:56 pm »
Quote from: FPF-DieHard on February 10, 2005, 02:34:32 pm
Who else besides me thinks that the SGO4 setup would be really cool if run again with certain "corrections?"

EXAMPLE:   NO FRICKING ALLIANCES!! 

The equal pacification rules applied to all three sides?

-S'Cipio
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Re: Learning from Mistakes . . .
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2005, 03:33:40 pm »
Without alot of rules (well OK one big rule) about how offensives must be fought
a three sided server won't work.
One would be good
2 works the best
And I think that 4 or 5 might work pretty well.
I'd say add another side to the fight.
get rid of the pirates and restore the Lyran Empire to it's rightful place as
supreme ass-kickers of the Galaxy.
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Re: Learning from Mistakes . . .
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2005, 04:10:30 pm »
Quote from: Scipio_66 on February 10, 2005, 02:41:56 pm
Quote from: FPF-DieHard on February 10, 2005, 02:34:32 pm
Who else besides me thinks that the SGO4 setup would be really cool if run again with certain "corrections?"

EXAMPLE:   NO FRICKING ALLIANCES!! 


The equal pacification rules applied to all three sides?

-S'Cipio


Stop while you are ahead, DH. You might get positive karma...

Ditch the 3-way. Ditch the Tholians. Slightly revised map putting the ISC where the thols are, ally them to the Coalition. Retain the Lyran Pirates but ally them to the coalition. Turn the tholianless Mirak race into Pirates just like the Lyrs and ally them to the Alliance. Keep the merged Mirdrans and KlinkLyrs.

Same shiplist and settings and what DH said above.

Here's two map ideas. The Mirak and Lyran races are Pirates races allied to the Alliance and Coalition, and can engine double just like the Lyrs in SGO4. You see the map has some territory on the rioght and left, that is for economy only. There are 4 planets of the mirak and lyrs, so the pirates can go wherever they have friendly space.



In this one, the hydran colonies are in the SW and the map takes more the form of the F&E map. It's all just an idea.



It'd be ready to go after Bonks SFB OP server concludes, likely the same time Island wars does, and come b4 SS3 is ready. Otherwise, afterwards. SG4 was a good concept and a lot of great ideas sprung forth from it. And its a rock solid stable server. With refinements, and using the lessons learned, there is no way it wouldnt be fun...

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Re: Learning from Mistakes . . .
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2005, 04:56:05 pm »
Man Dizzy you sure are a glutton for punishment. BTW, you aren't single are you? <blushing>
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Re: Learning from Mistakes . . .
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2005, 05:00:41 pm »
Look, I want as much as the next person to have as good a time on a dyna as possible. If someone else wants to admin it, fine by me. But this 2-way concept is as straight up as you can get. Im with DH. Its a good principle. Why abandon it when you can make it work.

Besides, I have scales of Iron you lizard boy.
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Re: Learning from Mistakes . . .
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2005, 05:02:47 pm »
Be careful Kroma has ways of making iron rust....... :o
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Re: Learning from Mistakes . . .
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2005, 05:23:43 pm »
Quote from: Dizzy, the Slave Girl Pimpmaster on February 10, 2005, 05:00:41 pm
Look, I want as much as the next person to have as good a time on a dyna as possible. If someone else wants to admin it, fine by me. But this 2-way concept is as straight up as you can get. Im with DH. Its a good principle. Why abandon it when you can make it work.

Besides, I have scales of Iron you lizard boy.

hehehe...I wasn't commenting on the server concept at all, just surprised to see you throwing your admin hate into the ring before even getting the scorch marks of of it. Besides I am a sucker for a Cabin Boy that can take the rough stuff.
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Re: Learning from Mistakes . . .
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2005, 05:25:32 pm »
Well, its prolly best just to get it over with. Let the dust settle and let Slave girls die. New blood, new server. New flames. repeat ad nauseam
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Re: Learning from Mistakes . . .
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2005, 05:27:54 pm »
Quote from: Dizzy, the Slave Girl Pimpmaster on February 10, 2005, 05:25:32 pm
Well, its prolly best just to get it over with. Let the dust settle and let Slave girls die. New blood, new server. New flames. repeat ad nauseam

Ooooo, your are quite the little rascal. I better start loading up on the fluids.
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Re: Learning from Mistakes . . .
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2005, 07:17:45 pm »
It is possible for a 3-way server to work...

Here's how I would re-write SG4, making sure it stays 3-way throughout:

1.  Explicit rule, NO TREATIES

2.  Re-do the VC system.  The ISC only scores VCs from holding territory.  If they are to receive VCs for conquering, it only comes by following the mandates of the Equal Pacification Directive, ie, they only get points for holding both an Alliance and Coalition target of the same type...
The Alliance and Coalition only earn points for attacking their enemies, as is their mandate.  The ISC is just a distraction, one that they must divert troops to defeating all server as part of the ISC's mandate is to maintain the neutral zone, and sever any / all LOSes built...

3.  Check out the entire BP / CP system, adjust as necessary.  Perhaps with "proper" attrition, the fleet sizes we have now would be appropriate...
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Re: Learning from Mistakes . . .
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2005, 07:57:14 pm »
Quote from: Julin Eurthyr on February 10, 2005, 07:17:45 pm
It is possible for a 3-way server to work...

Here's how I would re-write SG4, making sure it stays 3-way throughout:

1.  Explicit rule, NO TREATIES

This would be very difficult. This would have to include "cease-fires" "non-aggression" act as well.

No matter, I would like to see unrestricted ships.  I would like good ships to cost alot. I miss working up to ships. I was stuck in /cay for 2 weeks! lol It starts being fun getting blown away lol
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Re: Learning from Mistakes . . .
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2005, 07:45:27 am »
How about a No Disengage Rule EVER when in PvP? It would make a great turnover in ships, and people would just get on with the fight.  No BBs either.
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Re: Learning from Mistakes . . .
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2005, 08:54:07 am »
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Re: Learning from Mistakes . . .
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2005, 09:53:10 am »
Some ideals

1. AI striping in PvsP (Karnak missions)

2. Only one DN or BB online per side at a time. ( this way you don't have 2 or 3 DNs running          together)

3. No more 3 way servers (No matter how hard you try it just doesn't work)
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Re: Learning from Mistakes . . .
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2005, 01:43:04 pm »
DieHard you have played A and A
only about 100 times which
edition 1st, 2nd, Europe,Pacific or
3rd
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Re: Learning from Mistakes . . .
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2005, 02:38:21 pm »
Quote from: WarSears on February 13, 2005, 09:53:10 am
Some ideals

1. AI striping in PvsP (Karnak missions)

2. Only one DN or BB online per side at a time. ( this way you don't have 2 or 3 DNs running          together)

3. No more 3 way servers (No matter how hard you try it just doesn't work)

1.  Cool with it.   We need a new mission pack.

2.  I am absolutely 100% infavor of a rule that prevent CAPITAL ships from fleeting together.   I would include BCH/BCV/BCS ships in this and not just DNs considering many BCHs are better than DNs for many races.

2.1  No more fricking BBs.   Maybe allow the Klinks B10s

3.  1 more 3-way server if I can talk J'inn into it  ;D
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Re: Learning from Mistakes . . .
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2005, 02:50:05 pm »
No more megapack fighters, unless perhaps if you use ZERO deck crews
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Re: Learning from Mistakes . . .
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2005, 03:07:38 pm »
A server is more a work of art than a machine.   There are no mistakes . . . only features and flavor.  Just like ice cream.   Lots of flavors, you just might not like them all.
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