Topic: Mirror Server

[Hexx]

So I says to Mable, I says
What's better than killing Feds?
"Nothing " she says "Cept maybe one thing" Mable says to me
"Now what's that?" I says to Mabel, and Mabel she says to me
"Watching Allied Feds die"

Since the begining of D2 History people have struggled with the questions-

How can I kill Feds, yet listen to and watch them die in every single mission;
even the missions I lose?

AT last the answer is here...

Shattered Glass/Broken Mirror some super fancy title I haven't thought of yet.

A Federation "Mirror Universe" server
Two Feds Enter
One Fed Leaves

Map would be GW4 size.
VP's for  -PVP
            -control of existing planets and starbases gives you different bonuses
            -placing a base ,and controling it, in enemy space gives you VPs
            -placing a planet in enemy space(by mission) wins you the game

PVP VC's based on
-Number of pilots you have killed > 1VP for every pilot to have fallen at your hand
If you haven't killed any enemy pilots, or are trying to learn PVP skills
you can die as many times as you want without having to worry about
giving up VP's to the enemy
Kroma can burn through as many CB's as he wants with no consequences.

-DN's - A pilot in a DN gains no points for his side by killing someone in a non DN
However disengagement rules will still apply. This means that the DN's will move to being
the strategic assets they are supposed to be. They won't give you VP directly, but will be able to give you control
of a vital area.

CNC rules will apply on DN's,CVA's BCHs* and CVD's.
Everything else should be free build.

Server should run over 2weeks, from 2281- 2284 .

Ever wanted to defend the Federation ?
Ever wanted to fly Fed ships, but hate the happiness?

* BCHs and variants will be restricted. The BCH (or a substitue) MAY have the restrictions relaxed
near the end after all available BCH's have been upgraded to BCV's.

[KBF-Crim]

*doink*

Been waiting a long time for this one...

Any plans on mixing up weaponry amongst the Terren Empire?

[FPF-DieHard]

We need to do a draft for this, only this time leave out the deal-making and back-stabbing 

[KBF-Crim]

ack!...I want to fly Terran empire...been waitin for years for this server....no draft please

[Kroma BaSyl]

ack!...I want to fly Terran empire...been waitin for years for this server....no draft please

Agreed, drop the draft.

[Hexx]

Originally (way back) I was going to so some switching up of the Terran and Fed ships.
-mainly replacing labs with armour, and including a few "X" weapon platforms - with a few heavy Xweapons
added, but 1/2 their hull stripped out and limited parts to show the fragility of the new weapons.

With Chuuts input (note casual reference for blame passing) I decided it might be best (note casual taking of credit)
to use a single shiplist.
-I (like many others I assume) are tired of listening to various shiplist complaints about which side it favours
This one is exactly the same for both, so I expect only half the normal people to whine about the shiplist favouring the other side
-alos changing the weapon systems would require alot of PVP testing and feedback.
And that seemed like alot of work


There will be NO DRAFT!
Unless it gets absolutely stupid (everyone signing up to play badguys)
With exactly 2 sides in the fight it should limit the amount of treaties and backroom deals. (I hope)
I've also got a 4 sided Lyran Civil War , but it gets a little more complicated.

[FPF-DieHard]

This one is exactly the same for both, so I expect only half the normal people to whine about the shiplist favouring the other side

Ain't this the truth . . .

You know the mod is fair whenever all sides feel they've ben screwed.

[KBF-Crim]

Rgr on the draft

rgr on the single list (makes sence)

On the players numbers...I have no dog in this fight...although I would prefer to fly empire...if all the feds want to be bad guys I will bite the bullet and fly ....*ick*....Fed....(pssst....how much to get a couple a klink hulls in the fed shipyards )

The lyran civil war sounds good too...

These type of servers will let many of us break from our traditional roles...

Since the Klink civil war fell flat on it's face....maybe we could do a spin off of "mirror mirror" and have the alpha Klinks attacking the alternate universe Klingon republic (assuming that the Mirror Klinks would be "good guys" to the terran empire "bad guys")...

And I'd like to see a campiagn set in the mirror universe sometime....this could be great fun flipping traditional roles and making tweaks for Mirror races that wouldnt be accepted on a traditional server...

One idea for Mirror Mirror that may ,or may not have been floated...

Could you clone the Fed shiplist and models, but have a new set of skins for the Terrans?...assuming your going to have to use another racial slot to make the campaign work...

New skins would rock....and really add to the feel of the server...

[Hexx]

I'm actually trying to stay away from having any models/ skins downloaded.
There are a few skins and "Empire" ships out there, but not alot.
I'll probably ask (well beg) Bonk or one of the smart guys to do a small installer that will simply duplicate
the current Fed models folders. If you want to put Empire skinned ships in these slots great, but the default will be
the Fed ships.

Klink Civil War is still coming.
-I want to run the Fed one to
A) Actually get experience running a server
B) See if my ideas about PVP VC's and non static map VC's works

Then Lyran Civil War to see how 4 sides (possibly more) will balance out
We know 3 sides really doesn't work, 4 or 5 might

Then, After I can figure out if LCW multi sided server works OK I'll do the KCW,
I want to do KCW last, as I know alot of people have been waiting for it, and I kinda want to make sure it works.

[SSCF-LeRoy]

A long time ago when a Mirror, Mirror server was first proposed (I think right after SS2 concluded), someone suggested that each player have a mirror counterpart. Is this possible or practical?

[Hexx]

A long time ago when a Mirror, Mirror server was first proposed (I think right after SS2 concluded), someone suggested that each player have a mirror counterpart. Is this possible or practical?

<sigh> I knew this would be asked (and I don't remember the original proposal)
 I am trying to think of a way
to make it work. The problem is, kinda due to all the roleplay elements we have, it doesn't...
I mean who gets to be a Mirror Chuut ? J'inn? Or is CHuut a mirror of J'inn.
I just know some people like to roleplay, (Chuuts been bugging me about his Rp for a while) and it seems unfair to
tell someone they are a mirrior of someone else.
I think it would add alot, but I just don't see how it could be done without taking somethng away from people.



Oh and Crim- sorry no Klink ships will be appearing (or maybe they will..)
but one of the ideas Im thinking of exploring for KCW is the ability of an faction to "buy" another Empires assistance at
a VP cost
Ex- House One wants the lyrans, pay 40 VP (Lyrans are close allies after all)
     House Three wants the Roms- say 50 or 60 (Allies but not like he Lyrans)
     House four wants the Feds -pays 100 pts as, well they're the Feds

[FPF-DieHard]

A long time ago when a Mirror, Mirror server was first proposed (I think right after SS2 concluded), someone suggested that each player have a mirror counterpart. Is this possible or practical?

Who would play  "Good DH?"

[Hexx]

A long time ago when a Mirror, Mirror server was first proposed (I think right after SS2 concluded), someone suggested that each player have a mirror counterpart. Is this possible or practical?

Who would play  "Good DH?"

Kroma.

[Strafer]

A long time ago when a Mirror, Mirror server was first proposed (I think right after SS2 concluded), someone suggested that each player have a mirror counterpart. Is this possible or practical?

Who would play  "Good DH?"

Bruce Campbell?

"Good. Bad. I'm the guy in the Chair!"

[Hexx]

A long time ago when a Mirror, Mirror server was first proposed (I think right after SS2 concluded), someone suggested that each player have a mirror counterpart. Is this possible or practical?

Who would play  "Good DH?"

Bruce Campbell?

"Good. Bad. I'm the guy in the Chair!"

Bruce Campbell is one of the coolest actors and persons in existence.
He would  never.... actually that would make him the alternate of DH..

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

I mean who gets to be a Mirror Chuut ? J'inn? Or is CHuut a mirror of J'inn.

Well haven't been to a mall in ages

<Snicker>

[Kougar_XC]

I mean who gets to be a Mirror Chuut ? J'inn? Or is CHuut a mirror of J'inn.

Well haven't been to a mall in ages

<Snicker>