Topic: An Open Apology to J'inn & the Coalition...

[Hexx]

I have made, it seems, a grievous error.
While I went through and methodically checked the coalition fighters, and
found the killer Pirate fighter, I didn't pay enough attention to, or looked at the Federation
stuff.
A certain player, who shall remain nameless, is obviously such a die hard fanatic at having
to win a server that he will commit any perfidy, no matter how small, in his quest to win.

Yes ladies and gentlemen.. the UNRESTRICTED A10M
adds ten (10) dmg points over the stock A10
every other M variant adds 7
At 26 Dmg EACH, a BCH's 4-fully-charged- ESGs can NOT kill a SINGLE group of these fighters.
Possessing 2 Photons with 2 reloads each -which btw are ready to fire the second the fighters launch- drones are not-
Now I know some of you will say "Yes , but don't the Roms have a coalition fighter with 2 photons"?
Yes they do

And it is restricted.

Also was it ever mentioned that the
A10's didn't serve on CVDs? That they were mainly confined to CVA's?

For all of you who have lost ships to this Federation duplicity, I apologize

Obviously they can't even come close to matching us in PVP with rough parity in ships.
And this is their solution.

I would like to respectfully request that ALL Federation build ships and fighters
be immediately declared off-limits until a review of each and every one can be done on a case by case basis.

[FPF-DieHard]

Speed 20? with a range 4 weapon . . .

Napolean might be right about some CnC rules being needed.

[SSCF-LeRoy]

IObviously they can't even come close to matching us in PVP with rough parity in ships.
And this is their solution.

I surely hope yer bein' facetious

[IAF Lyrkiller]

Hexx, didnt Dizzy warn you that SFB ftrs were deadlier then the SFC ftrs. 

[Hexx]

Speed 20? with a range 4 weapon . . .

Wow.
You're right.
Obviuosly it's such a disadvatage t use them that I can't figure out why
anyone would use them.

Or could it be..

SPD 20 that takes 104 pts of damage to wipe one group out.
SPD 20 with enough firepwer *thats instantly* ready upon lauch

Should it really take 4ESG's AND 5Ph1's at PB range to wipe a group of commonly available fighters out?
Or should the Feds be forced to use a fighter that's a statistical match for the best the Klingons & Lyrans can use?
A fighter that I've only seen one pilot use? (well when he wasn't using those cheesy Hydran things)
A fighter that is what the Feds are supposed to be using?

[FPF-DieHard]

Hexx, didnt Dizzy warn you that SFB ftrs were deadlier then the SFC ftrs.?

Dizzy alos made up the CnC.   Blaim him.   

[Hexx]

Hexx, didnt Dizzy warn you that SFB ftrs were deadlier then the SFC ftrs.?

Dizzy alos made up the CnC.? ?Blaim him.? ?

 I would, but my neg karma goes up so much quicker when I say nasty things about you.

Sides evryone knows Dizzy won't make a move on this server without asking you.

[FPF-DieHard]

Make a proposal that is reasonable and I might endorse it.

[Hexx]

What, now I NEED your approval?
What about the community?
Aren't the communities desires more important than
ehh nevermimd I'm getting bored of typing

Limit the A10M's to 1/2 per carrier.
It should  be one or no squads (and you know it) on CVD's
but the servers over for all intents and purposes anyway, so really not a problem
if you guys don't want to.

[FireSoul]

1- the G10m also has 26 hitpoints.
2- I was just following the rules of the server. .. but if you think these fighters should be restricted, then I certainly did my job *right*. I used the best tools available to me.
3- while they DO kill players that come too close, they aren't much in PvP otherwise. Speed 20 fighters can't chase someone. The ship itself can't go faster than 29.5...  (with shields up, or without cheap.. tactics that we've came up with.)  It's not impossible to kill them, just tough...
4- CVDs are probably too cheap at 1CP. Have you considered that too? Again, I used the best tool.

[FPF-DieHard]

What, now I NEED your approval?
What about the community?
Aren't the communities desires more important than
ehh nevermimd I'm getting bored of typing

Limit the A10M's to 1/2 per carrier.
It should? be one or no squads (and you know it) on CVD's
but the servers over for all intents and purposes anyway, so really not a problem
if you guys don't want to.

No, but it is good to notice what approaches OTT whenever Mods are unleashed on the world. ?I am sitill not convinced that speed 20 fighters cannot be overcome with tactics.

Charge into a crowd of fighters, you die and blaim it on the fighters? 

A10s are virtually identical to Vulture IIs. ? They are slower and have fewer Drones, but 2 more hitpoints. ? The Mega-packs make them evil at range 4. But trying to say they are OTT compared to the masive drone-throw of the of the Speed 30 F18m, ZYCm, and TADSm is well, silly.

PS; the Romulan, Gorn, and ISC fighters never should have had any such restriction.

[FPF-DieHard]

4- CVDs are probably too cheap at 1CP. Have you considered that too? Again, I used the best tool.

Yes, CVDs are too cheap at 1 CP. 

[Dizzy]

Lessons learned.

Plasma ftrs shouldnt have CnC.

ISC have it and works ok.

Pirates need it.

Feds and hydrans need it and have it already and works ok... 1/2 A10m... nah, see below...

No ftr should ever have more than 24 hit points.

[Hexx]

I'll throw a general rebuttla out here...

Firesoul- You're a great pilot and you've done alot for the game
But you are WAY to sensitive, and yo take this game way to seriously.
(Not that I mind as I love OP4)
Anyway..
You killed a DNh with fighters- great Job. If I'd have known what the fighters could do I'd have told J'inn to stay
outside of range 4 and Disrupter/phaser you down. I have no problem (well...really) with what you did, I don't blame J'inn either. I should have checked the stats on the A10m when I saw all of you using them and warned him about them.

The problem isn't (as i see it) fighters that can't chase someone down. It's fighters that can't be kiilled.
I hit a A10M group today with 4ESG's at range zero. I also had 4Ph1's fire at the group as I banked off
Now the phasers were firing through a shift- but the group survived.
I'm not sure any fighter group of 4 should survive that.

How do they stack up against the drone salvos of Zyms? Don't know.
Although I am switching into a CVD to try and find out. (or to get killed)

and again - if they're not OTT compared to the F18's/Zys/TADS than why are none of the Fed pilots encountered using the F18s?


Now are CVD's unbalancing? I don't really think so- given the fighters they're suppose to carry.
And yes I could have (imho) beaten Lyrs CVD today if I'd just sat back and dizzied his shield down from range.

Really I don't think they'd be a huge OTT thing if used in 2 squads, and they'd be fine (of course) in one squad.
It's just in 4 Squads they're a little much.

The post was never really meant as a complaint, (or as an apology either) just something that I think is a little to tough used the way they are.

And of course I'm kinda not liking the idea of a frickin BCH's ESG's with a few Phasers not being able to kill 4 fighters.

[FPF-DieHard]

Really I don't think they'd be a huge OTT thing if used in 2 squads, and they'd be fine (of course) in one squad.
It's just in 4 Squads they're a little much.

As Federation RM, I have no objection to a 2 Squad max rule for A10m fighters.

[FireSoul]

I'll throw a general rebuttla out here...

Firesoul- You're a great pilot and you've done alot for the game
But you are WAY to sensitive, and yo take this game way to seriously.
(Not that I mind as I love OP4)
Anyway..
You killed a DNh with fighters- great Job. If I'd have known what the fighters could do I'd have told J'inn to stay
outside of range 4 and Disrupter/phaser you down. I have no problem (well...really) with what you did, I don't blame J'inn either. I should have checked the stats on the A10m when I saw all of you using them and warned him about them.

nah.. If I took the game that seriously, I wouldn't have mounted J'inn up like that.
I was just stating facts.

[FPF-DieHard]

Now are CVD's unbalancing? I don't really think so- given the fighters they're suppose to carry.
And yes I could have (imho) beaten Lyrs CVD today if I'd just sat back and dizzied his shield down from range.

Why have no Alliance or Coaltion Strike carriers been built since the CVDs have become available?

[Hexx]

Now are CVD's unbalancing? I don't really think so- given the fighters they're suppose to carry.
And yes I could have (imho) beaten Lyrs CVD today if I'd just sat back and dizzied his shield down from range.

Why have no Alliance or Coaltion Strike carriers been built since the CVDs have become available?

Well the Lyran ones suck...

[KBFLordKrueg]

The klingon ones suck...
And actually, we have built 3 D6Us.

[FPF-DieHard]

The klingon ones suck...

With these fighters?  That is debatable.