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Re: Concerning those who have Ad-Aware and Spybot..
« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2005, 04:07:10 pm »
 I have noticed, that the Microsoft version updates alot often than than Ad Aware or Spy Bot, And is still catching things they are  not.
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Re: Concerning those who have Ad-Aware and Spybot..
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2005, 10:56:17 pm »
Barabbas, a friend of mine has just got some kind of virus or malware that hijacks his browser.  He has tried online and free/shareware antivirus and spyware checkers and he says they all can see that it's there, but don't remove it.

He's never done it before, but he plans to manually go into the registry to remove it.  I told him unless he knew what he was looking for in terms of specific keys, it was risky.

You got advice?

P.S.  I think you're more of an Upright Piano.
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Re: Concerning those who have Ad-Aware and Spybot..
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2005, 11:05:50 pm »
What spyware programs is Barrabas using?

I need to go back through about 1100 Pm's and I'll give him a call. He's a good guy.

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Re: Concerning those who have Ad-Aware and Spybot..
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2005, 03:56:35 am »
Quote from: E_Look on February 17, 2005, 10:56:17 pm
Barabbas, a friend of mine has just got some kind of virus or malware that hijacks his browser.  He has tried online and free/shareware antivirus and spyware checkers and he says they all can see that it's there, but don't remove it.

He's never done it before, but he plans to manually go into the registry to remove it.  I told him unless he knew what he was looking for in terms of specific keys, it was risky.

You got advice?

P.S.  I think you're more of an Upright Piano.


I would suggest running HijackThis, you can find the program and advice on running and spyware detection at The Tech Support Forum.  Hope this helps.
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Re: Concerning those who have Ad-Aware and Spybot..
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2005, 09:28:44 am »
Quote from: Stephen on February 17, 2005, 11:05:50 pm
What spyware programs is Barrabas using?

I need to go back through about 1100 Pm's and I'll give him a call. He's a good guy.

stephen


Barabbas has never found a single anti-spyware tool that 'Does the Job'....  I use Hijack This, AdAware, SpyBot S&D, CWS Shredder and half-a-dozen other utils and even manually look through \Windows and \Windows\System32 sorted by date to delete stuff that looks fishy.  My new UBCD is aparently the trump card, though.


E_Look, removing registry entries from the registry can be done, but it's not as effective as you might think.  The big problem with malware & viruses is that you can't get rid of something while Windows is running it, and even in safe mode much of this crap is still active and un-removable.  Often they don't even show up in Windows Task Manager or don't allow you to stop the service from Task Manager.  That's why my new boot CD is so useful - It lets me run Windows independently from the copy that's on the infected computer's HDD so that I can remove any file on the drive without getting 'Access Denied - File in Use' messages.

The best place to start is actually the Add/Remove Programs menu....  Seriously.  Go through and dump anything that refers to 'Toolbar' or 'Search' or 'Bargin' or 'Offer' or 'IE Helper'.... Pretty much anything that looks suspect.  Often the uninstallers won't work (especially if you've tried to take stuff out already) but ya gotta try.  Then download both Ad-Aware and SpyBot and update their data files, reboot in safe mode and run both of 'em back-to-back.  Then run HijackThis and clean up IE....

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Re: Concerning those who have Ad-Aware and Spybot..
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2005, 09:30:06 am »
Quote from: Stephen on February 17, 2005, 11:05:50 pm
What spyware programs is Barrabas using?

I need to go back through about 1100 Pm's and I'll give him a call. He's a good guy.

stephen

Sounds like he needs more than just a spyware detection and removal program.

First thing, if he has a cable connection tell him to turn it off/unplug it. Some of htese these hijackerr programms won't/can't run if it can't talk to the mother ship.

Next install McCafee or some other good (not Norton the nasty) virus detection and destruction program with the lastest definitions. Run it.

Then re-connect cable and see what happens. If it is still getting hijacked let us know and we'll come up with some more lame exercises. :)

Btw, if he/she is still getting hijacked make sure to incluse what OS he/she is using in your next post.

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Re: Concerning those who have Ad-Aware and Spybot..
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2005, 03:59:53 pm »
Will this work on windowsME?
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Re: Concerning those who have Ad-Aware and Spybot..
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2005, 04:16:03 pm »
Quote from: KBF-Crim on February 19, 2005, 03:59:53 pm
Will this work on windowsME?

Microsoft Anti-Spyware should work on any Windows OS.. they did not list OS restrictions.
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Re: Concerning those who have Ad-Aware and Spybot..
« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2005, 03:28:53 pm »
Toast,  as far as I know, it's XP, his OS is (my best Yoda imitiation).

And, I don't think I'll see him 'til Tuesday.  I sincerely hope he doesn't try something silly before then.  Incidentally, as a word of warning, he mentioned in passing that it was some gambling site he thinks he got it from.  I don't know much about them, so I don't have any more details.  I think the best advice in surfing the 'Net is just to stay away from questionable game sites and of course, porn sites.  You'd think grown, smart people would figure that much out.

Anyhow, what makes a hijacker much more so persnickety than some other kind of virus/malware?
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Re: Concerning those who have Ad-Aware and Spybot..
« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2005, 09:50:50 pm »
OK.. just tried to install microsoft Anti-Spyware on Win 98. It stated that it would only install on Win 2K, Win Xp and Win 2K3.. so there is limitations on which OS it will help.
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Re: Concerning those who have Ad-Aware and Spybot..
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2005, 03:17:46 am »
You know...I'm gettin real sick of these planned obsolesence pricks...MS being on top of the heap of them...

Thanks Pesty...figured as much...
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Re: Concerning those who have Ad-Aware and Spybot..
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2005, 07:13:01 am »
Quote from: Pestalence on February 20, 2005, 09:50:50 pm
OK.. just tried to install microsoft Anti-Spyware on Win 98. It stated that it would only install on Win 2K, Win Xp and Win 2K3.. so there is limitations on which OS it will help.


Nice catch.  Microsoft bought the software from another company but I can't remember where at the moment.  If that company's website is still up then it may be a good place to look up even more product information.
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Re: Concerning those who have Ad-Aware and Spybot..
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2005, 07:25:10 am »
Quote from: Javora on February 21, 2005, 07:13:01 am
Nice catch.  Microsoft bought the software from another company but I can't remember where at the moment.  If that company's website is still up then it may be a good place to look up even more product information.


Link to original companies site

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Announcement: Microsoft Acquires Anti-spyware Leader
Giant Company Software Inc.

New offerings will help customers keep spyware and other deceptive software off of their computers.

On December 16, 2004, Microsoft announced its acquisition of GIANT Company Software, Inc., a provider of top-rated anti-spyware and Internet security products. Microsoft will use the acquisition to provide its customers with new tools to help protect them from the threat of spyware and other deceptive software. In addition, key personnel from Giant will be joining Microsoft’s security efforts. Additional information about the acquisition can be found in the press release.
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Re: Concerning those who have Ad-Aware and Spybot..
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2005, 10:30:53 am »
Quote from: KBF-Crim on February 21, 2005, 03:17:46 am
You know...I'm gettin real sick of these planned obsolesence pricks...MS being on top of the heap of them...

Thanks Pesty...figured as much...

You may be jumping to conclusions here, Crim. It may just be a case of an OLD OS using 16 bit addressing and the NEWER OS using 32 bit addressing.
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Re: Concerning those who have Ad-Aware and Spybot..
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2005, 01:26:08 pm »
Quote from: KBF-Crim on February 21, 2005, 03:17:46 am
You know...I'm gettin real sick of these planned obsolesence pricks...MS being on top of the heap of them...

Thanks Pesty...figured as much...

Uh, Crim... its 2005!!!!... and it is operating systems we're talking about here... Windows ME is pretty much windows 98 and they both suck... really its pretty amazing you've gotten this far on a 7 year old OS... says a lot for its design (not necessarily implementation).. At least do yourself the favor of moving up to Windows 2000...

Not so sure about planned obsolescence with MS... I have an FT-IR running MS-DOS 5 on a 286... still works like a charm... Multiple instruments on Win3.1 still chugging along... even one on OS2 lol...

Not meaning to pick on you or be rabidly pro MS... just some thoughts.
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Re: Concerning those who have Ad-Aware and Spybot..
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2005, 01:38:39 pm »
LMAO...you're talking to a guy who's wife drives a new truck while he in fact prefers to drive a 73' pontiac ;D

Sorry for the mini-rant....It's not so much needing to upgrade...as much as refusing to...

The ONLY thing I actually Need my PC for is running SFC and logging in here......everything else is inconsequencial to me...

That...and the fact that I zero dollars to spare on non essentials...

I must be the luckeyest bastard in the world...I rarely have PC problems and when I do...they are usually easy fixes ( or I beg sethan to help out *snicker*)...

It aint broke ...yet...I might be able to pick up a new PC with my income tax refund....we'll see...

I'll check out the root company and see if they have older versions...

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Re: Concerning those who have Ad-Aware and Spybot..
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2005, 03:01:10 pm »
 Im getting sick of buying PC's only to have the become redundant 2 years later.

 I need a new one now, but keep putting it off because I really don't know what to get. And shelling out 2 thousand bucks every 2 years to keep up, is getting real old.
 
 



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Re: Concerning those who have Ad-Aware and Spybot..
« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2005, 05:56:47 pm »
LOL...I know...Imagine a ford dealer saying...sorry...your car is two years old.......we wont service it anymore......oh...and your five year warranty?...forget it...we changed our minds...we've pulled product support...

Goodyear...we wont make tires for it anymore...it's two whole years old...

Oil?...to protect your engine?.....sorry...we only give that to people who have NEW cars...

As I said...It just another straw of many...

I needed a damn spindle for a playstation once....the very same spindle as on a walkman...cost two dollars...the parts store wouldnt sell me one...because I stated it was for a playstation...and as such...the electronics store was forbidden to sell ANY parts for PS as part of an aggreement from SONY for the chain to do warranty work for SONY...

The only way to get this two dollar part replaced was to send MY PS and 99 bucks(with shipping BOTH ways) to someplace in Mich and they would send me a re-factory unit...

Last Sony product I EVER bought...or ever will buy....

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Re: Concerning those who have Ad-Aware and Spybot..
« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2005, 06:11:41 pm »
I honestly don't know how they get away with it.

 And if that would have been my PS. I would have thrown it at the greedy fools, after telling me that pile of slop!
 ( Thats just wrong!!!) >:( >:( >:(
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Re: Concerning those who have Ad-Aware and Spybot..
« Reply #39 on: February 22, 2005, 11:37:36 am »
Bonk, running your FTIR on a 286 has nothing to do with planned obsolescence or not.  It's just that some superblazingwarpspeed is not required (or in some cases, given the older boards in a piece of analytical equipment incompatible) for the relatively simple demands of ordinary experimental data collection and transfer (or in many cases, even analysis).  Planned obsolescence has more to do with HP or somebody putting in mostly plastic shutter parts that wear away faster than we're all used to.
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