Topic: X-Ship BP proposal

[FPF-DieHard]

I'm saying the I-CCX should be worth 1 1/3 to 1 1/2 CXs.  Bring me proof that she's worth 1 2/3 CXs, and I'll concede a value of 5, no further arguments.

I fly ISC in PBR.   I know what a squad of ISC X-ships can do to "equal BPV" opponents.

You obviously do not or you are lying.  I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt assume you are simply ignorant.

Does 685 internals to 2 count as proof? 

Third battle:   http://69.115.120.11:9000/images/GDA_Battle_3.rec

I-CCX - FPF-DieHard
I-CSX - Corbomite
I-CLX - FPF-TobinDax

G-CMX
G-HDX
G-HDX

This in D2 terms would be 10 BP versus 7 BP worth of ships.  It was a total slaughter against veteran Gorn Pilots.

[Hexx]

I'm saying the I-CCX should be worth 1 1/3 to 1 1/2 CXs.  Bring me proof that she's worth 1 2/3 CXs, and I'll concede a value of 5, no further arguments.

I fly ISC in PBR.   I know what a squad of ISC X-ships can do to "equal BPV" opponents.

You abviously do not.

"blah blah blah I'm a BB flying git"

Look
You want tor try the Xship conversions do it like
Feds get 1, Mirdan get 1 Gorn get 1
Lyrans Get 1 Roms get 1 Klinks get 1
ISC get 2
That means -for all you mensa candidates- that three Allied Xships would be roughly equal to 2 ISC Xships.

Keep out the CLx's etc. They're more unbalancing anyway.

[Kroma BaSyl]

You obviously do not or you are lying.  I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt assume you are simply ignorant.

Glad to see the Federation credits we spent on sensitivity training are starting to payoff.

[FPF-DieHard]

Keep out the CLx's etc. They're more unbalancing anyway.

That I don't see. With the excepton of the ISC CLX, none of the CL X-ships are any tougher than a BCH.

[Green]

OMG u guys are making my head hurt! Just leave it at BP's please.

Nobody will build and X-Chee ., . . uM, I mean, X-ships with the current build system.

It's not THAT complicated and only 1 person per side needs to understand it.

Yeah, but he's our 1 person.

[FPF-DieHard]

OMG u guys are making my head hurt! Just leave it at BP's please.

Nobody will build and X-Chee ., . . uM, I mean, X-ships with the current build system.

It's not THAT complicated and only 1 person per side needs to understand it.

Yeah, but he's our 1 person.

I can explain it to t00l, I'll use small words and slur my speech so he understands it better.

[Hexx]

Keep out the CLx's etc. They're more unbalancing anyway.

That I don't see. With the excepton of the ISC CLX, none of the CL X-ships are any tougher than a BCH.

D5Xd is  a better deal (for the price)* imho* than a DXD, same with a CLX vs a CX, and the CWLX is a far better deal than the CCX
(with it's stock disrupter arcs....odd )

I say give all the races a CX type ship.
Then make any kill by an Xship worth 1 vp more than it normally would be.
(The race demonstrating "their" superior technology)
Might give people reason to use them rather then the plethora of DN's and BCH's we seem to be heading for.

[FPF-DieHard]

D5Xd is  a better deal (for the price)* imho* than a DXD, same with a CLX vs a CX, and the CWLX is a far better deal than the CCX
(with it's stock disrupter arcs....odd )

No way.   Those 2 mentioned ships are not worth it compared to 2 BP BCHs. 
CWLX = BCHT

Hmmm . . . .

My Idea of the XPs will let you build 2 CLX per build cycle, that is not over-balancing at all and will add some variety to the BCH hoards I expect to see.

[Dizzy]

Doesnt matter about equality, some of these Xships will edge others, but you always roll the dice in a mission on the dyna anyway. So BPV matchups dont matter.

What we need to do is figure out what extra money each empire is gonna get to build these Xships.

[Hexx]

Doesnt matter about equality, some of these Xships will edge others, but you always roll the dice in a mission on the dyna anyway. So BPV matchups dont matter.

What we need to do is figure out what extra money each empire is gonna get to build these Xships.

What we should do is eliminate all the BB's.
However many CP's you put into building a BB you get an equal number of XP to build xcrap.

[KBF-Angel Slayer]

I want a schwinn with ten phasers, speed thirty five, good shields and a wrist rocket slingshot as back up.  

[Kroma BaSyl]

I want a schwinn with ten phasers, speed thirty five, good shields and a wrist rocket slingshot as back up. 

With or without banana seat and sissy bar?

[KBFLordKrueg]

DH and I were working on a method for builds for xships and we never settled on anything. So this is what I came up with...

What say we have the X-ships available for purchase in the 2281 build with 1x 'x-tech' points, adding one more per year. So for 81, you get 1x 'X-tech' BP's in addition to your regular BP's. X-tech BP's can only be spent on X ships and up to half of your regular BP's may be spent on X-ships.

So for example, the Klinks have 4 BP's in 81, they also get 1x X-tech BP's so they could spend no more than 3x BP's total on xships while leaving 2 left for something else like a BC. Then in 83, they get 2 xtrech points and in 85 3 xtech points. Server finishes in 85-86.


Hrmmm. It sounds good to me.

You're just trying to make this even harder on me to try and keep all this stuff figured out, aren't you?
That's fine...

[GDA-S'Cipio]

Leave it at BP's.

Look at the OOB thread, and you'll see there are lots of ships in the docks already.  If people have the points to spend on X ships, they will.  If not they won't

-S'Cipio

[762_XC]

OMG u guys are making my head hurt! Just leave it at BP's please.

Nobody will build and X-Chee ., . . uM, I mean, X-ships with the current build system.

It's not THAT complicated and only 1 person per side needs to understand it.

Yeah, but he's our 1 person.

I can explain it to t00l, I'll use small words and slur my speech so he understands it better.

Wait til I'm drunk.

[Kroma BaSyl]

Leave it at BP's.

Look at the OOB thread, and you'll see there are lots of ships in the docks already.  If people have the points to spend on X ships, they will.  If not they won't

-S'Cipio

I agree

[Hexx]

Leave it at BP's.

Look at the OOB thread, and you'll see there are lots of ships in the docks already.  If people have the points to spend on X ships, they will.  If not they won't

-S'Cipio

I agree

The problem is a  2BP xship is no match for a 2BP BCH.
You'd have to be stupid to buy one
Again it's only a problem if people want to see Xships on teh server.

I'd say the best solutions are
1) Free Xbuilds as I mentioned before
2)Use CP points
3) Give the xships bonus VP for winning in PVP

[Kroma BaSyl]

The problem is a  2BP xship is no match for a 2BP BCH.

Not true.

You'd have to be stupid to buy one

Then don't.

Again it's only a problem if people want to see Xships on teh server.

Even if Xships use BPs they will still be built over DN and BCHs. They are better than the tech they replace, especially when flown in pairs. I'll take 2 CCXs over 2 DNHs anyday.

[Corbomite]

I fly ISC in PBR.   I know what a squad of ISC X-ships can do to "equal BPV" opponents.

They aren't the same ships though. OL Phasers make a huge difference.

[Hexx]

I fly ISC in PBR.   I know what a squad of ISC X-ships can do to "equal BPV" opponents.

They aren't the same ships though. OL Phasers make a huge difference.

No OL phasers on the Xboats