Topic: OT-ENTERPRISE has been cancelled!

[Red_Green]

Trek discussions always get heated LOL.  I think this cancellation could be reframed into a positive. I mean 4 years is a good run. It doesn't mean the show failed or anything. I am more a casual Fan of Trek but also of all SCi-FI. I heard rumors that even Andromeda may be in its last year. That is a popular show. But even so, the episodes  of Andromeda I have seen lately are a drop off from season 1 and 2.
Its hard to maintain quality when there has to be a new episode every week. I don't know much about ENT, but in Andromeda, the writers come and go, producers come and go, actors come and go.  So while they still call season 5 of Andromeda the same show. Its reaaly a different product from Andromeda season 1Same with Trek, The different Trek shows are in many ways different products.

I do wonder. I mean in an interview with a producer of Andromeda (one fron special features on a DVD set) It was mentioned that with the Internet chat, that procucers can get immediate response to shows that just ran. Thus they could see what fans liked or didn;t like. I wonder if B& B used feedback like that as a tool to gauge fan response or if they were just going to do whatever there interpretation personal interpretation of Pre-TOS was.

[OlBuzzard]

Interesting point RG ...  I cant help but to wonder if the network junkies have folk that review Trek and SFC communities like this ..  and watch for reactions to see how we think on such matters.

All in all  .. I do hope that some good will come of this ..  perhaps even a "resurrection" of the series ...  and maybe even the return of DS-9 and a new SFC based game !  ( ok ...  that's stretching it ..  but if ya got to aim high ...  let's go for all the marbles! )

[Sirgod]

I don't know if this will help, But theres a poll here

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6902611#survey

74% want the show to continue.

stephen

[Starforce2]

well, we all know that in hollywood bad press makes you more famous than good press. Same with cotnraversey. You don't hear of actors delivering meals on wheels to the needy, only crashing their wheels while drunk. I think This is a ploy, a stunt, perhaps to get attention back to enterprise now that is is being somewhat improved as far as timeline compliance is concerned. Even those who've disconnected themselves from the community will have their attention grabbed. I rmeeber everyone was worried Voyager wasn't going to be back for a 4th year. I remember a time where that was suppossedly not going to ever be a startrek 10, as well. Everyone should still show support if you support the show ofcourse, but I wouldn't get to worried this early in the game.

[Centurus]

well, we all know that in hollywood bad press makes you more famous than good press. Same with cotnraversey. You don't hear of actors delivering meals on wheels to the needy, only crashing their wheels while drunk. I think This is a ploy, a stunt, perhaps to get attention back to enterprise now that is is being somewhat improved as far as timeline compliance is concerned. Even those who've disconnected themselves from the community will have their attention grabbed. I rmeeber everyone was worried Voyager wasn't going to be back for a 4th year. I remember a time where that was suppossedly not going to ever be a startrek 10, as well. Everyone should still show support if you support the show ofcourse, but I wouldn't get to worried this early in the game.

You know what StarForce?  I like your outlook and perspective on the whole situation.  +1 karma.

[Davey-E]

Atreidies was right,
They were just getting to the good stuff,

The Earth - Rom wars would of been great and would of boosted ratings just like the Dom wars did for DS9

Silly Gits, The've blown it

Boo Hoo

[Anthony Scott]

~peeks out from under table, cradling little Anthony~

Cripes, I NEVER  thought that I would be starting this kind of discussion just by announcing that one of my fave scifi shows was being cancelled...VERY cool indeed.

I liked enterprise, it was just starting to get good what with all the main characters finally fitting into their roles and the stories getting better and better.

Who knows, maybe another network will do to Enterprise what Scifi channel did with Andromeda...Now, if you will excuse me, I have a year old little human to explain all this to...

~ducks back under table~

 

Semper Fi, Carry On

[GDA-S'Cipio]

The problem with Star Trek these past few years hasn't been because it "needs a break". Trek doesn't need a break, the people running it do. The problem is, there hasn't been any new blood behind the scenes since DS9 was wrapping up. Enterprise only got good when some fresh people came in with their new ideas. Unfortunately, this happened after most of the fanbase had been turned off with the previous fiascos (ratings wise - I'm not getting into the actual story arguments).

On this we agree, and I've said the same thing before.

There was nothing wrong with Enterprise that a batch of good writing couldn't have solved.  Trek can take as long a break as it wants -- 1 year, 10 years, 20 years -- and if the writing is no better than the first few years of this show then it will still tank.  On the other hand, start a new show a year from now with good writing, and it will likely do well.

And yes, the episodes this year have been much better.  I'd actually prefer another prequel (Captain Pike, anyone?) rather than a follow-on of TNG, but tastes differ.

-S'Cipio

[Johanobesus]

The reason so many people, myself included, say that Trek needs a break is because there seems to be a sort of culture that has set in the production staff that needs to be totally broken.  That means all the people, from the executive producer to the writers to the set designers, need to go.  That probably also includes the corporate executives who have there own expectations of the franchise.  New people need to come in who have no loyalty or connection to the old guard at all.  There's just a certain blandness and predictability to Star Trek that hasn't changed since TNG.  It seems that the franchise is just stuck.  Even when they try to break out of it, the show still feels the same.  The past couple of seasons were better than the first, there were some pretty good episodes, but over-all the show is still mediocre at best.  There's just no real creativity or cleverness.  Right now I fear that, even with new folks, the expectations of what Trek is supposed to be would get in the way.  The show needs to fade into the past a little bit, so new producers and writers won't be under the shadow of Berman and his work.  Just replacing them wouldn't be enough, there needs to be some distance so they can make a truly fresh start.