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***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« on: February 01, 2005, 02:32:00 am »
MID SERVER RULE CHANGE: The Gorn are now exempt from the ISC having to follow equal pacification and the ISC now recieves 1 BP or 2 CP per build cycle starting in 2279.

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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2005, 10:58:53 am »
Gee...I'll bet the Gorn are going to regret taking Organia...especially by the way the ISC is devouring Gorn Space.
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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2005, 11:00:27 am »
yup, all 5 of them, hehe.

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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2005, 11:15:47 am »
yup, all 5 of them, hehe.

Compared to the 4 Gorn?   ;D
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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2005, 12:19:16 pm »
And all those Alliance players with Gorn Accounts  ;)

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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2005, 12:50:45 pm »
And all those Alliance players with Gorn Accounts  ;)

And those Alliance nutters that just got called up to Geese duty for the ISC.  ;)

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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2005, 12:53:49 pm »
And all those Alliance players with Gorn Accounts  ;)

And those Alliance nutters that just got called up to Geese duty for the ISC.  ;)

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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2005, 12:54:26 pm »
Will they respond?  

So far I only have seen Josh, but haven't been on since early AM EST.

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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2005, 12:56:48 pm »
Will they respond?  



No way in hell.  I'm not switching sides while the Alliance is getting gang-banged.   I have no problem discussing this in public either as there has been enough back-door dealin on this server.

Now go back to equal pacification, then I may be open to negotiations (bribes)  ;D
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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2005, 01:02:19 pm »
If you don't want to honor you commitment DH, that is fine.  While I'll miss the ability to have fun with you, mainly your loss not ours as we are having fun, and not really all that concerned about winning.

Oh, and I suggest you not sign up for Wild Geese duty in the future, as it really ask that you give up a certain amount of freedom.  Don't get me wrong, I know you do like to fly for the underdog, but only on your own terms.  Being a Wild Goose means doing so on terms other than your own. 

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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2005, 01:03:44 pm »
If you don't want to honor you commitment DH, that is fine.  While I'll miss the ability to have fun with you, mainly your loss not ours as we are having fun, and not really all that concerned about winning.

Where is the fun in not being able to chase Hexx?

Call of the gang-bang and I will fly ISC for a few days.   I don't see how that is an un-resonable position.
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2005, 01:09:12 pm »
Exactly my point, your dictating terms bro.  That is not what the concept of "Wild Geese" is about at all.

Not saying your a bad guy or aren't willing to fly for what YOU percieve as an underdog, true or not.

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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2005, 01:10:23 pm »
If you don't want to honor you commitment DH, that is fine.  While I'll miss the ability to have fun with you, mainly your loss not ours as we are having fun, and not really all that concerned about winning.

Where is the fun in not being able to chase Hexx?

Call of the gang-bang and I will fly ISC for a few days.   I don't see how that is an un-resonable position.

Get yourself out of that mostrosity and into one of the UNASSIGNED??? BCF's and we'll see

And btw -  HTF do you have unassigned BCF's sitting in the yards?


As for the geese issue- I honestly have no idea why they'd be being called up this week rather than last week  ???
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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2005, 01:12:09 pm »


And btw -  HTF do you have unassigned BCF's sitting in the yards?



They aren't out yet.  They come out in 2278.
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2005, 01:14:00 pm »

Get yourself out of that mostrosity and into one of the UNASSIGNED??? BCF's and we'll see


CCH versus CB?
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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2005, 01:18:01 pm »
Exactly my point, your dictating terms bro.  That is not what the concept of "Wild Geese" is about at all.

Not saying your a bad guy or aren't willing to fly for what YOU perceive as an underdog, true or not.

Sorry but the Wild Geese is a bad idea, one I used to support but no longer do as it is unnecessary, and more trouble than it is worth. It smacks to much of a Deus Ex mid server fudge factor that will come to no good.

I prefer the "Wild Kroma" concept, where I choose to fly for whatever team I want to and reserve the right to change my mind mid server if I am having trouble finding an adequate quantity of targets.
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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2005, 01:19:13 pm »

I prefer the "Wild Kroma" concept,  . ..

Quick, somebody post the "Gorns gone wild" pic!!  ;D
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2005, 01:20:46 pm »

I prefer the "Wild Kroma" concept,  . ..


Quick, somebody post the "Gorns gone wild" pic!!  ;D



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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2005, 01:23:07 pm »

Get yourself out of that mostrosity and into one of the UNASSIGNED??? BCF's and we'll see


CCH versus CB?

Ick,
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Get into a CB and maybe Ill look you up in a CWLP.
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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2005, 01:23:22 pm »
Exactly my point, your dictating terms bro.  That is not what the concept of "Wild Geese" is about at all.

Not saying your a bad guy or aren't willing to fly for what YOU perceive as an underdog, true or not.

Sorry but the Wild Geese is a bad idea, one I used to support but no longer do as it is unnecessary, and more trouble than it is worth. It smacks to much of a Deus Ex mid server fudge factor that will come to no good.

I prefer the "Wild Kroma" concept, where I choose to fly for whatever team I want to and reserve the right to change my mind mid server if I am having trouble finding an adequate quantity of targets.

I have no problem with either the Wild Geese or the Wild Kroma concepts (can't believe I said that  ;))  But if one signs up as a Goose he should play as one and not as a Kroma.  If he is flying as a Kroma, let the admin have someone they can rely on to fly goose in his place.

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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2005, 01:28:26 pm »


Get into a CB and maybe Ill look you up in a CWLP.



I'll take that any day of the week.  if you win in a 1v1 I'll name my ship "Hexx's Bitch" for 24 hours.
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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2005, 01:30:02 pm »


Get into a CB and maybe Ill look you up in a CWLP.



I'll take that any day of the week.  if you win in a 1v1 I'll name my ship "Hexx's Bitch" for 24 hours.

If he wins the name will stay with you longer than that DH, but Bearslayer will likely thank you for getting him off the hook...... ;D

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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2005, 01:33:32 pm »
Exactly my point, your dictating terms bro.  That is not what the concept of "Wild Geese" is about at all.

Not saying your a bad guy or aren't willing to fly for what YOU perceive as an underdog, true or not.

Sorry but the Wild Geese is a bad idea, one I used to support but no longer do as it is unnecessary, and more trouble than it is worth. It smacks to much of a Deus Ex mid server fudge factor that will come to no good.

I prefer the "Wild Kroma" concept, where I choose to fly for whatever team I want to and reserve the right to change my mind mid server if I am having trouble finding an adequate quantity of targets.

I have no problem with either the Wild Geese or the Wild Kroma concepts (can't believe I said that  ;))  But if one signs up as a Goose he should play as one and not as a Kroma.  If he is flying as a Kroma, let the admin have someone they can rely on to fly goose in his place.

As I said the Wild Goose factor is seriously flawed and should be eliminated. It is basically a admin Mid Server Rule change trump card, which if you weren't currently practicing a form of situational ethics would would see is as bad for the game as any of the Mid Server rules changes you have so vehemently opposed on principle in the past.
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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2005, 01:34:28 pm »

I have no problem with either the Wild Geese or the Wild Kroma concepts (can't believe I said that  ;))  But if one signs up as a Goose he should play as one and not as a Kroma.  If he is flying as a Kroma, let the admin have someone they can rely on to fly goose in his place.

And server admins shouldn't stack the deck.
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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2005, 01:37:23 pm »
It has its merits and demerits, however, it is not a midserver chage in my view as the geese are not asked for mid-server but volunteer prior to server beginning and are a preplanned contigency, not an alteration of the rules or setup on an adhoc basis.  Now the best sloution would be application of "Geese" before a server even started, but that would rely on accurate player signups, which sadly enough for some unknown reason we don't  ::)
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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2005, 01:38:32 pm »

I have no problem with either the Wild Geese or the Wild Kroma concepts (can't believe I said that  ;))  But if one signs up as a Goose he should play as one and not as a Kroma.  If he is flying as a Kroma, let the admin have someone they can rely on to fly goose in his place.

And server admins shouldn't stack the deck.

Who stacked what deck?

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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2005, 01:40:07 pm »
it is not a midserver chage in my view as the geese are not asked for mid-server but volunteer prior to server beginning and are a preplanned contigency, not an alteration of the rules or setup on an adhoc basis. 

This would be true only if there were clear rules setup for their activation based on predefined conditions and metrics. As it stands no such predefined rules are in place and the Geese are being used in a subjective "adhoc" manner.
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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2005, 01:47:20 pm »
it is not a midserver chage in my view as the geese are not asked for mid-server but volunteer prior to server beginning and are a preplanned contigency, not an alteration of the rules or setup on an adhoc basis. 

This would be true only if there were clear rules setup for their activation based on predefined conditions and metrics. As it stands no such predefined rules are in place and the Geese are being used in a subjective "adhoc" manner.

Excellent point.

Perhaps there were some predefined conditions that the admin was working from, player numbers online, missions run, etc...then again perhaps there were not, a matter that does deserve some future attention.  Yet, as the issue of the geese was not questioned prior to the beginning of the server then the application of them without specified parameters was actually pre-planned and accepted if no such conditions existed.

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« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2005, 01:47:27 pm »

I have no problem with either the Wild Geese or the Wild Kroma concepts (can't believe I said that  ;))  But if one signs up as a Goose he should play as one and not as a Kroma.  If he is flying as a Kroma, let the admin have someone they can rely on to fly goose in his place.

And server admins shouldn't stack the deck.

Who stacked what deck?


Moving alliance players to the ISC to gang bang the Alliance would be stacking the deck.
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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2005, 01:54:27 pm »
So you are accussing Dizzy of attemptimg to "Stack the Deck".  By "Stacking the Deck" I assume you mean predetermining or intentionally favoring one group with the intention of having one side win the server by using his admin ability.  Or to put it bluntly cheating.

I'm hoping my assumption here is incorrect.  Otherwise, I think if this is your meaning you really do owe Dizzy another apology.

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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2005, 01:55:28 pm »
Yet, as the issue of the geese was not questioned prior to the beginning of the server then the application of them without specified parameters was actually pre-planned and accepted if no such conditions existed.

So if I write a rule that says the admin reserves the right to change everything and anything mid server without predefined specific parameters, then anything they do mid server is actually pre-planned and accepted.

Chuut you are really reaching to find a way around you no mid server rules change creed here. Your logic is seriously flawed.
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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2005, 01:56:39 pm »
So you are accussing Dizzy of attemptimg to "Stack the Deck".  By "Stacking the Deck" I assume you mean predetermining or intentionally favoring one group with the intention of having one side win the server by using his admin ability.  Or to put it bluntly cheating.

I'm hoping my assumption here is incorrect.  Otherwise, I think if this is your meaning you really do owe Dizzy another apology.

I am not accusing Dizzy of cheating, I'm accusing you of being a rules lawyer who needs to be beaten to death with a shovel  ;D
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« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2005, 02:01:56 pm »
So you are accussing Dizzy of attemptimg to "Stack the Deck".  By "Stacking the Deck" I assume you mean predetermining or intentionally favoring one group with the intention of having one side win the server by using his admin ability.  Or to put it bluntly cheating.

I'm hoping my assumption here is incorrect.  Otherwise, I think if this is your meaning you really do owe Dizzy another apology.

Now you are really streching Chuut. Let's remember it was you that questioned DH honor here first. He has not accused anyone of cheating. He is simply pointing out that the current application of the Wild Geese is being done in a subjective adhoc manner for the purpose of attempting to fudge or balance out the server results.

I actually am sympathetic to the intent, which I believe to be to keep the server competative and fun for people on all sides, but I feel that it is far to blunt a tool for keeping the server alive (and unnecssary at this point) and given the lack of clear condition open to adhoc/subjective interpretation.
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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2005, 02:04:50 pm »
So you are accussing Dizzy of attemptimg to "Stack the Deck".  By "Stacking the Deck" I assume you mean predetermining or intentionally favoring one group with the intention of having one side win the server by using his admin ability.  Or to put it bluntly cheating.

I'm hoping my assumption here is incorrect.  Otherwise, I think if this is your meaning you really do owe Dizzy another apology.

I am not accusing Dizzy of cheating, I'm accusing you of being a rules lawyer who needs to be beaten to death with a shovel  ;D


Good, that I can accept.   ;D

And I'm just accusing you of signing up for a duty and not honoring your commitment.  

I honestly have no problem with you not flying ISC because you don't feel you are needed there.  You have shown yourself to be willing in the past to fly with the side that needs you and I applaud you for those past actions.

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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2005, 02:15:15 pm »
Yet, as the issue of the geese was not questioned prior to the beginning of the server then the application of them without specified parameters was actually pre-planned and accepted if no such conditions existed.

So if I write a rule that says the admin reserves the right to change everything and anything mid server without predefined specific parameters, then anything they do mid server is actually pre-planned and accepted.

Fine by me, just don't expect a big turnout on such servers, but people would get what was advertised.

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Chuut you are really reaching to find a way around you no mid server rules change creed here. Your logic is seriously flawed.

I think you fail to miss the whole point.  If the conditions of wild geese being present on a server were known to all, and no parameters were set for their deployment, it is hardly a midsever change for them to ACTUALLY BE DEPLOYED   :banghead:

I supported keeping the F-CS+ unrestricted to all on this server as it would have constituted a midserver change as people had been flying them unrestricted.  If they had been placed on the build ship only list, I was considering pulling out just as I did on GW2.  Now the deployment of the geese had been a known possibility prior to the start of the server, and cannot be seen in the same light. 

Now, I agree with your earlier point that certain parameters being set beforehand is a damn fine idea, one that I am highly in favor of. :thumbsup:

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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2005, 02:24:39 pm »


I think you fail to miss the whole point.  If the conditions of wild geese being present on a server were known to all, and no parameters were set for their deployment, it is hardly a midsever change for them to ACTUALLY BE DEPLOYED   :banghead:


I think you are the one missing the point here. Having a rule that ineffect says you can change the rules is just a loophole and excuse for claiming a mid server rules change is infact some other than what it is. That is what this is. It is in fact little more than an admin Get-out-of-mid-server-rules-change-Jail-Free card, and while all dressed up is still nothing but a whore, to those that say they would never play on a server that allowed mid server rules changes. It is ineffect the same thing as a rules change.
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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2005, 02:25:45 pm »
So you are accussing Dizzy of attemptimg to "Stack the Deck".  By "Stacking the Deck" I assume you mean predetermining or intentionally favoring one group with the intention of having one side win the server by using his admin ability.  Or to put it bluntly cheating.

I'm hoping my assumption here is incorrect.  Otherwise, I think if this is your meaning you really do owe Dizzy another apology.

Now you are really streching Chuut. Let's remember it was you that questioned DH honor here first.

Only in regard of his not going along with flying Geese, but I do understand his motives and viewpoint.  I'm not saying he is wrong in his analysis of the situation on the server, and while his motives may be pure, he is still not keeping his commitment, perhaps he is correct not to do so, and I won't hold a grudge against him or anything, I just ask that he not sign up as a geese in the future if we continue to use them, which itself seems unlikely.

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He has not accused anyone of cheating. He is simply pointing out that the current application of the Wild Geese is being done in a subjective adhoc manner for the purpose of attempting to fudge or balance out the server results.

Actually Kroma, I was just jerking DH's chain a little bit, to shock him into realizing the path his words were leading to.  I know DH well enough to know that he wouldn't actually accuse Dizzy of cheating, and he knows me well enough I think to let me get away with jerking his chain.  I know your trying to defend DH here, and that is nice of ya, but we are friends and he really doesn't need a protecter from me.  Let me have a bit of "Kroma-style" fun and do a bit of chain pulling, I'm picking a target who can take it from me..... ;)


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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2005, 02:27:58 pm »
MID SERVER RULE CHANGE: The Gorn are now exempt from the ISC having to follow equal pacification and the ISC now recieves 1 BP or 2 CP per build cycle starting in 2279.

Does this add to or replace the original 6/6 schedule?

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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2005, 02:29:51 pm »

I think you are the one missing the point here. Having a rule that ineffect says you can change the rules is just a loophole and excuse for claiming a mid server rules change is infact some other than what it is. That is what this is. It is in fact little more than an admin Get-out-of-mid-server-rules-change-Jail-Free card, and while all dressed up is still nothing but a whore, to those that say they would never play on a server that allowed mid server rules changes. It is ineffect the same thing as a rules change.

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Yet, as the issue of the geese was not questioned prior to the beginning of the server then the application of them without specified parameters was actually pre-planned and accepted if no such conditions existed.

So if I write a rule that says the admin reserves the right to change everything and anything mid server without predefined specific parameters, then anything they do mid server is actually pre-planned and accepted.

Fine by me, just don't expect a big turnout on such servers, but people would get what was advertised.

An admin can do this if they want, you either play on it or you dont, plain and simple.  Most likely won't as I said in the quoted area above.  As long as its advertised as such there is no problem whatsoever, you got what you paid for.

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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2005, 02:36:02 pm »


Actually Kroma, I was just jerking DH's chain a little bit, to shock him into realizing the path his words were leading to.  I know DH well enough to know that he wouldn't actually accuse Dizzy of cheating, and he knows me well enough I think to let me get away with jerking his chain.  I know your trying to defend DH here, and that is nice of ya, but we are friends and he really doesn't need a protecter from me.  Let me have a bit of "Kroma-style" fun and do a bit of chain pulling, I'm picking a target who can take it from me..... ;)



LOL....like DH ever needed me to defend him. You really are missing my point, which is that I feel your general stance on this issue is situationally applied and flies in the face of your ridge stance on mid server rules changes. If not literally true, then certianally in the spirit of why I believe you have held that postion in the past.
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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #40 on: February 01, 2005, 02:37:05 pm »
MID SERVER RULE CHANGE: The Gorn are now exempt from the ISC having to follow equal pacification and the ISC now recieves 1 BP or 2 CP per build cycle starting in 2279.

Does this add to or replace the original 6/6 schedule?
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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #41 on: February 01, 2005, 02:39:17 pm »
Please Correct me if Im wrong....Didnt we lower the difficulty for invading Organia? if so.... :rofl:
I mean , whine about, or sorry bring up mission issues, take the planet and now they having problems dealing with the planets curse :rofl:
Am I getting this correctly?  
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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #42 on: February 01, 2005, 02:42:34 pm »
Please Correct me if Im wrong....Didnt we lower the difficulty for invading Organia?

No.  The homeworld assaults I was getting on the last night looked just like the descriptions of the ones whined about earlier.

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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #43 on: February 01, 2005, 02:45:56 pm »
Simply put, I'm totally opposed to a chage in server conditions that was not a preplanned affair by the admin.  And while I can understand players frustrations with changes that are a result of admin actions, I respect the right of an admin to run their server as they see fit.  Now in the case of an admin making unplanned changes midserver, I think this is an uncalled for action and I would oppose such an action in all cases by my withdrawl from the server, with the possible exception of the changes being minor AND against the favor of my own side.  These are my principles on the subject and if I should stray from them I fully expect you to call me on it.

Oh, and Kroma, I don't mind you making me do a double check on my principles, it is a valuable exercise which I would recommend to all.  I value your opinion, so I take your questions seriously.  As for my principles I find them happily intact, but do appreciate the excercise.

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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #44 on: February 01, 2005, 02:50:42 pm »
Please Correct me if Im wrong....Didnt we lower the difficulty for invading Organia? if so.... :rofl:
I mean , whine about, or sorry bring up mission issues, take the planet and now they having problems dealing with the planets curse :rofl:
Am I getting this correctly?  
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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #45 on: February 01, 2005, 02:52:07 pm »

The smart mice can always find the most cheese  ;D



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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #46 on: February 01, 2005, 02:52:13 pm »
Please Correct me if Im wrong....Didnt we lower the difficulty for invading Organia? if so.... :rofl:
I mean , whine about, or sorry bring up mission issues, take the planet and now they having problems dealing with the planets curse :rofl:
Am I getting this correctly?  
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Translation:  Dumb ai can always be exploited  ;D

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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #47 on: February 01, 2005, 03:01:35 pm »
These are my principles on the subject and if I should stray from them I fully expect you to call me on it.

Which is what I am doing.

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Oh, and Kroma, I don't mind you making me do a double check on my principles, it is a valuable exercise which I would recommend to all.  I value your opinion, so I take your questions seriously.  As for my principles I find them happily intact, but do appreciate the excercise.

I guess I just feel things as important as principles, shouldn't be subject to loop holes.
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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #48 on: February 01, 2005, 03:11:41 pm »
Gotta go to work now Kroma I'll rap with ya later if you want bro,

I see no loopholes, but go ahead and question my motives to your hearts desire, I wont take it badly.  I stand by my views and am quite happy with my principles.  Besides it will give you something to do at work...... ;D


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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #49 on: February 01, 2005, 03:21:33 pm »


I see no loopholes, but go ahead and question my motives to your hearts desire, I wont take it badly.  I stand by my views and am quite happy with my principles.  Besides it will give you something to do at work...... ;D



It isn't your motives or principles I am questioning, simply the uneven application of such, which I believe to be caused by a fault of logical reasoning. Kats have always been known to be flighty though.
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Re: ***SGO4 Mid Server Rule Change***
« Reply #50 on: February 01, 2005, 10:04:21 pm »
Ok just got back from work, was a slow night so I spent some time thinking about it.

My basic view remains the same, that if the admin has planned a course of consequences, in this case the use of Wild Geese, whether by a set of defined circumstances or by a judgement call, and everyone was aware of this possibility and raised no objections before the server start, the  admin by acting on this and sticking with the origional plan is changing nothing at all thus there is no mid server change at all.  The phrase pre planned mid server change is actually a very poor wording that I used previously since in actuality there is no change, and this can be verified easily enough by pre server posts announcing existence of the geese.

Now, where I have reconsidered a bit is in regards to the circumstance of the taking of Organia.  While I see noting wrong with a secret condition existing, I can, as stated before, sympathize and understand the frustration of those taken aback by this developement.  If they choose to withdrawl I would have no scorn for them in the least, yet I would definately prefer that they stay.  The fact that the Coalition, or at least some pilots within had figured out that there might be consequences to taking the planet, suggest that this is not entirely out of the blue, but I do agree that such secret conditions  deserved a more clear warning in some form or another.  I personally don't find anything wrong with the way he did it in a game sense, but in a community sense I can.  What I find wrong is the potential for strife within the community that such an occurance might and apparently did cause.  The idea itself was in my opinion simply brilliant, a very new and creative way to achieve some balance, and provoke interesting strategies.  But as brilliant as this was, it was also in a way idiotic, in that without a more clear warning the inevitability of flames caused by this would potentially outweigh the brilliance of the plan itself on the campaign level.

Dizzy was kinda caught between a rock and a hard place, and likely never saw the rock.  In order to have an interesting developement a certain amount of secrecy was demamded, but the same secrecy must be given up to a great extent in order to have a more harmonious reception by the various parties.  Perhaps a little less secrecy still might have been able to pull it off on both sides, perhaps not.

As for further discussion of my principles from your perception, I'd be happy to have your views on the subject at some later date on MSN my tutu clad amigo, but I don't think we need bore the hell out of the rest of the community on these forums about it as I'm sure they really have very little interest in it. ;)