Topic: HEY DIZZY,ISC Exempt from Equal pacification on the Gorn for round 2??

[Corbomite]

If a rule is hidden, how is it possible to ask people to follow it?

There is a difference between a rule and a condition. There is no rule about not attacking Organia, just consequences. The fact that one side figured it out from the given hint and the other didn't is the crux of your problem, not Dizzy.

[FPF-SCM_TraceyG_XC]

Irrelevant. So now players have to 'guess' what the rules are?? That is ridiculous.

[Corbomite]

Are you really that retarded? Its not a rule, its a condition of the server - you know - If A, then B. Everyone seems to have seen it but you. Maybe its time for new Alliance leadership.

[FPF-SCM_TraceyG_XC]

Hidden VCs are one thing, and on previous servers that have contained hidden VCs, it was made known in advance such VCs existed.

This is an entirely different matter, hidden server rules that were not even stated to exist beforehand is not on the same level.

[F9thRyker]

Are you really that retarded?

Having worked with people with learning disabilities in the past, I find your remarks extremely offensive, and I ask that you dont make such derogatory statements towards such people in the future. Right, back on topic...

Its not a rule, its a condition of the server

Wrong. There is nothing written in the Equal Pacification rule that says that it is completely null and void if a single planet is taken.


[EDIT- Re-reading this, it seems more and more that this "condition of the server" is an excuse for an action, rather than pre-authorized justification for it. Hate to preach, but there's nothing in the rules which says that the race which attacks Organia is open to complete conquest by the ISC, thus making existing rules null and void.
How many other "stealth" rules are there in this server? And, if the Coalition ends up being on the receiving end of them, will you be still singing the same sweet tune...? I think not, somehow]

Everyone seems to have seen it but you.

By 'everyone', you mean everyone who reads between rules and bends them for their own ends, in the middle of a campaign?
And I thought WaterTiger was bad for bending rules out of all recognition 

Maybe its time for new Alliance leadership.

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If you're resorting to insulting a person to get your point across, then it mustn't be a very strong point in the first place. Enough with the personal attacks.

[Corbomite]

LOL, Ryker you're no fun at all. 

[F9thRyker]

I enjoy a good campaign as much as the next guy, Corbo, but Ive been on enough servers in the past 2 years on D3 to know this much- mid campaign rules changes are nothing but trouble. They piss off both sides, and eventually piss off the admins who have to deal with the supposedly justified cases put forward by both teams.

Situations such as this- best case scenario, cause an early end to the server. Worst case, one side walks out in protest and the server collapses. Believe me, Ive seen it happen, too many times.

I'd hate to see what started as a fun server, be completely ruined by a single stealth rule, allegedly introduced after being broken.

[Corbomite]

One last time - This condition was not added at this time. It was there from the begining and the ISC knew all about it. We were waiting for it to happen so we could be more offensive (well more offensive than just flying ISC anyway). You guys had a treaty with the Coalition and they didn't tell you about this? Gee I know who I'd be mad at if it were me. 

[FA Frey XC]

This is one of the most disappointing threads I've read in a while.

Back and Tracey, the fact that you decided to air all this in a public forum instead of taking it to SFC2.Net's private development forums / SG04 Development forums or at least via IM questions your motives. You are an ADMIN Tracey, you of all people should know better and directed the focus of this thread in a more positive manner. Your tone could certainly be construed itself as rude, whether Dizzy was rude or not is not the question. We, as ADMINS, cannot allow our personal feelings to impact our abilities to disassociate ourselves with these situations and not become that which we despise.

Dizzy MADE this server - I am not discounting the others that contributed, but Dizzy CREATED this server. This concept was part of the server from the beginning, I can vouch for that. What I cannot see how ANYONE can see this as anything else than a plot device, of which some it seems are getting a little bent over shape over.

I would suggest perhaps that some of you take a deep breath.

This is a GAME. People play it, create with it, and the very fact that some are utilizing these boards simple to incite more negative energy than just asking for some clarification and then ACCEPTING it as what it was is, quite frankly, what is so ridiculous for me.

Regards,

[FPF-SCM_TraceyG_XC]

Irrelevant. No where in the rules does it say that treaties were not allowed. No where in the rules does it say that rules will be hidden and changed mid-server. If it is not in the rules at the beginning of the server, then a rulkes change is a mid-server change. This is irrefutable and simple logic.
As for the ISC being told of such rules, again, it is irreleavant since it was not made known to everyone, nor placed in the written rules of the server before it started.
As for other people working out what these so-called hidden rules are, again, this is irrelevant, once again because they were not stated in the rules at the beginning of the server.
Which part of the above do you not understand??

[FPF-SCM_TraceyG_XC]

This is one of the most disappointing threads I've read in a while.

Back and Tracey, the fact that you decided to air all this in a public forum instead of taking it to SFC2.Net's private development forums / SG04 Development forums or at least via IM questions your motives. You are an ADMIN Tracey, you of all people should know better and directed the focus of this thread in a more positive manner. Your tone could certainly be construed itself as rude, whether Dizzy was rude or not is not the question. We, as ADMINS, cannot allow our personal feelings to impact our abilities to disassociate ourselves with these situations and not become that which we despise.

Dizzy MADE this server - I am not discounting the others that contributed, but Dizzy CREATED this server. This concept was part of the server from the beginning, I can vouch for that. What I cannot see how ANYONE can see this as anything else than a plot device, of which some it seems are getting a little bent over shape over.

I would suggest perhaps that some of you take a deep breath.

This is a GAME. People play it, create with it, and the very fact that some are utilizing these boards simple to incite more negative energy than just asking for some clarification and then ACCEPTING it as what it was is, quite frankly, what is so ridiculous for me.

Regards,

My reseravtions are legitimate and contain no personal attacks against others, despite personal attacks thrown against me. I am also the Federation RM for this server, and it is my responsibility to address these issues with the server admin. It is appropriate to discuss such issues in public because it is server rules related and concerns everyone. Nor is this a conflict of interest with my role as admin for these boards.

[Kroma BaSyl]

Uhmm usually I try not to ask questions when people say silly things.
But how is it you guys are now complaining of  "unbalance" when we stomped the ISC for the first week?
Next week will likely see the coalition get stomped.

Am I the only person who still plays the game to have fun and doesn't really care if my side wins or loses?

-> And I know I've quoted Tracy here, it's not directed at her (it's not not directed at her either) but at all of you simps
be you ISC, Alliance or Coaltion.

STFU and play the game for fun.
I've got a kill score to run up.

What Sweet-Cheeks said. It ain't a rule change, it was a hidden condition, and a clever one at that. Thumbs up to Dizzy.

To the Alliance player whinnig, grow frigging up. It is just a game. This was a completely balanced condition, you look like idiots bitching about it.

To the Coalition players gloating, grow friggin up. It is just a game. You know damn well if things had gone the other way you would be the ones bitchin just as loudly about how unfair it is.

[KAT J'inn]

Uhmm usually I try not to ask questions when people say silly things.
But how is it you guys are now complaining of  "unbalance" when we stomped the ISC for the first week?
Next week will likely see the coalition get stomped.

Am I the only person who still plays the game to have fun and doesn't really care if my side wins or loses?

-> And I know I've quoted Tracy here, it's not directed at her (it's not not directed at her either) but at all of you simps
be you ISC, Alliance or Coaltion.

STFU and play the game for fun.
I've got a kill score to run up.

What Sweet-Cheeks said. It ain't a rule change, it was a hidden condition, and a clever one at that. Thumbs up to Dizzy.

To the Alliance player whinnig, grow frigging up. It is just a game. This was a completely balanced condition, you look like idiots bitching about it.

To the Coalition players gloating, grow friggin up. It is just a game. You know damn well if things had gone the other way you would be the ones bitchin just as loudly about how unfair it is.

It took you this long to find a flame thread.   Yer getting old!

[Kroma BaSyl]

Uhmm usually I try not to ask questions when people say silly things.
But how is it you guys are now complaining of  "unbalance" when we stomped the ISC for the first week?
Next week will likely see the coalition get stomped.

Am I the only person who still plays the game to have fun and doesn't really care if my side wins or loses?

-> And I know I've quoted Tracy here, it's not directed at her (it's not not directed at her either) but at all of you simps
be you ISC, Alliance or Coaltion.

STFU and play the game for fun.
I've got a kill score to run up.

What Sweet-Cheeks said. It ain't a rule change, it was a hidden condition, and a clever one at that. Thumbs up to Dizzy.

To the Alliance player whinnig, grow frigging up. It is just a game. This was a completely balanced condition, you look like idiots bitching about it.

To the Coalition players gloating, grow friggin up. It is just a game. You know damn well if things had gone the other way you would be the ones bitchin just as loudly about how unfair it is.

It took you this long to find a flame thread.   Yer getting old!

Oh I found it straight away, been having trouble figuring out who to flame though. Finally settled on flamming everyone. Except the ISC, but then they already know how I feel about them, Cheesy Bastards.

[GDA-S'Cipio]

If a rule is hidden, how is it possible to ask people to follow it?

There is a difference between a rule and a condition. There is no rule about not attacking Organia, just consequences. The fact that one side figured it out from the given hint and the other didn't is the crux of your problem, not Dizzy.

Actually, the "hint" Dizzy gave in the development threads was that Organia was not the ISC homeworld, but he had to make a planet in the west an ISC homeworld for DB reasons.  There was little reason to suspect the fluff written later about Organia was anything more than fluf.

-S'Cipio

[likkerpig]

There ain't enough cheese on the server to compliment  all the whine in this thread.
Great server Dizzy, I'm enjoying it immensely. I think I'll avoid these forums until it is over though, too much sour grapes making the whine.

[LordSaxon]

 You will find out in good time.

Translation: I'm still making up the rules as I go along

 And whatever change happens, it doesnt have to be fair or equal or anything other than what it is.

Translation: No translation required, here we have in writing confirmation of the deliberately unbalanced nature of this server. In my humble opinion, this would be called a gross lack of diplomatic skills and is wriiten with a tone of arrogance and contempt for those making genuine enquiries.

This goes too far, you have stepped over the line with this, Dizzy, way over.

Yet another bitchfest which have seemed to become normal material; especially from the side with the most DN's and a BB on seemingly 24/7 recently.....Everyone forbid if things don't always go your way. This has been normal for every game I have ever played, but I guess a challenge is too much for some to deal with. Cry on til all fits your Bill!!

[FPF-DieHard]

There ain't enough cheese on the server to compliment  all the whine in this thread.
Great server Dizzy, I'm enjoying it immensely. I think I'll avoid these forums until it is over though, too much sour grapes making the whine.

No!!!  You have to com back to post pictures!!!

[Kroma BaSyl]

Yet another bitchfest which have seemed to become normal material; especially from the side with the most DN's and a BB on seemingly 24/7 recently.....Everyone forbid if things don't always go your way. This has been normal for every game I have ever played, but I guess a challenge is too much for some to deal with. Cry on til all fits your Bill!!

So that explains why you were flying around in a R-BB pretending to be a newbie and annoying players that play by the rules. I guess the challenge was to much for you.

[KBF-Crim]

Ok...that's enough.