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Forget the Hummer, buy a T-34/85 or KV-1 NOW!!!!
« on: January 26, 2005, 07:23:39 pm »
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Red Army's war-winning weapons are up for sale
(Filed: 21/01/2005)

Russia is to sell thousands of Second World War tanks, machineguns and cannons in an attempt to raise funds and remind the world of its pivotal role in defeating Hitler.

The Kremlin hopes that they will be bought by museums and enthusiasts as interest in vintage weaponry peaks during the 60th anniversary of the end of the war, a landmark that will be celebrated with great fanfare in Russia.

The Russian state arms dealer, Rosoboronexport, has sold a few vintage weapons piecemeal since the late 1990s but now it has launched a serious sales campaign.

The hardware has been stored in warehouses even though most of it was decommissioned decades ago.

The company is tempting collectors with a selection of weapons that includes Maksim machineguns, 76mm ZiS-3 field guns, PPSH sub-machineguns and T-34 tanks, the backbone of the armoured columns that drove the German army out the Soviet Union in 1944.

For the more ambitious there are T-54 tanks, built in the immediate post-war period and used to defeat the Hungarian uprising in 1956, and even Soviet-era submarines.

Rosoboronexport said it took the decision to market the weapons because of growing interest abroad.

"In many battles during the Second World War, home weapons won a victory many times over those of the fascist Wehrmacht, surpassing them in quality and reliability, combat effectiveness and simplicity in use," the company boasts.

"After 60 years, demand for them is still growing among foreign museums, military-technical associations, state and private collections."

While it has not yet published a price list, it is likely to sell rifles and pistols for a few hundred pounds each. Tanks in good working order are expected to cost upwards of £10,000. Alexander Ouzhanov, a Rosoboronexport spokesman, said: "There are two main aspects to this trade. One has to do with the country's image. The second is commercial."

Marat Kenzhetayev, a researcher with the Centre for Arms Control, Energy and Environmental Studies, said: "The move is probably more to do with PR than making serious money. Russia's arms exports in 2004 came to $5.6 billion (£2.98 billion). Sales of the vintage arms sales might make, at best, a few million dollars. No collector will buy tanks by the hundreds or thousands.

"As regards prices, they will be much cheaper than their modern equivalents.

"Unfortunately, it's not like the market in antique furniture."

The company is also selling German and Allied equipment captured during the war or received as part of the Lend Lease programme.


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Re: Forget the Hummer, buy a T-34/85 or KV-1 NOW!!!!
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2005, 07:28:42 pm »
LOL... I'd love to have a few dozen Nagant rifles deliverd to my door in mint condition!
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Re: Forget the Hummer, buy a T-34/85 or KV-1 NOW!!!!
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2005, 08:33:44 pm »
how about a T-54 in your front yard with a program to just swivel the mount back and forth...no salesmen at my door... :rofl:
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Re: Forget the Hummer, buy a T-34/85 or KV-1 NOW!!!!
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2005, 08:48:47 pm »
how about a T-54 in your front yard with a program to just swivel the mount back and forth...no salesmen at my door... :rofl:

No tanks.. er, thanks :P with the price of diesel what it is, the 2 gallons per mile that a T-54/55 gets looks kinda unattractive.

I'll just take that 7.62 Nagant and cap him befoer he gets to my houes. ;D
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Re: Forget the Hummer, buy a T-34/85 or KV-1 NOW!!!!
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2005, 08:53:07 pm »
Heeeeeeyyyyyy....we could all pitch in and buy an old Foxtrot or Romeo class diesel electric submarine and become pirates preying on vessels flagged in nations that have no navy to come after us!

One week, we let the left wingers smuggle food into starving African nations, the next we let the conservatives torpedo a few ships from countries that support terrorism!

Good times!
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Re: Forget the Hummer, buy a T-34/85 or KV-1 NOW!!!!
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2005, 09:19:42 pm »
Nah, later with the tanks, jets, missiles, etc.

I'd love to have a real Soviet AK-47 on my living room wall... well, maybe bedroom instead; I live in the Northeast!

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Re: Forget the Hummer, buy a T-34/85 or KV-1 NOW!!!!
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2005, 11:06:21 pm »
Heeeeeeyyyyyy....we could all pitch in and buy an old Foxtrot or Romeo class diesel electric submarine and become pirates preying on vessels flagged in nations that have no navy to come after us!

One week, we let the left wingers smuggle food into starving African nations, the next we let the conservatives torpedo a few ships from countries that support terrorism!

Good times!

Um, no thanks.  Have you ever seen how small those Romeo and Foxtrots are?  Now, make it an Oscar and I'll go along.  Then we could use a pop-up missile attack on Supertankers (conservatives get to spill a lot of oil into the environment and liberals get to stick it to the gas companies).
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Re: Forget the Hummer, buy a T-34/85 or KV-1 NOW!!!!
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2005, 02:06:33 pm »
Heeeeeeyyyyyy....we could all pitch in and buy an old Foxtrot or Romeo class diesel electric submarine and become pirates preying on vessels flagged in nations that have no navy to come after us!

One week, we let the left wingers smuggle food into starving African nations, the next we let the conservatives torpedo a few ships from countries that support terrorism!

Good times!

Hey, that would rock!!  We could take turns being captain, it would be like real life SFC, only...primitive.  But still, it would be cool. 
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Re: Forget the Hummer, buy a T-34/85 or KV-1 NOW!!!!
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2005, 02:33:05 pm »
Heeeeeeyyyyyy....we could all pitch in and buy an old Foxtrot or Romeo class diesel electric submarine and become pirates preying on vessels flagged in nations that have no navy to come after us!

One week, we let the left wingers smuggle food into starving African nations, the next we let the conservatives torpedo a few ships from countries that support terrorism!

Good times!

Um, no thanks.  Have you ever seen how small those Romeo and Foxtrots are?  Now, make it an Oscar and I'll go along.  Then we could use a pop-up missile attack on Supertankers (conservatives get to spill a lot of oil into the environment and liberals get to stick it to the gas companies).

Judge...

You are going to trust your health to Russian nuclear safety? :o
Sorry, I wouldn't be that brave... I want kids someday that, like me, at least appear physically normal (OK, the mental part is officially up for debate). And the Ruskies don't exactly have the world's best record for nuke safety.


How about we split the difference? A Kilo is quiet, has good (trans-Atlantic) range, cruise missle capibility, and a fair crush depth. All of this without the worrys of those cold-water accidents that seemed so popular in the Red Banner Fleet.
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Re: Forget the Hummer, buy a T-34/85 or KV-1 NOW!!!!
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2005, 04:05:48 pm »
If only I had the money for this stuff. I remember seeing a T34 at the ft Benning junk yard.  Never did go and see if I could get a closer look at it. But I wouldnt mind haveing a T34 or KV1 But I would think because of 9/11 it would be a nightmare trying to get clearence to keep them. Plus getting the ok from the City Governemt to keep them on the property.

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Re: Forget the Hummer, buy a T-34/85 or KV-1 NOW!!!!
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2005, 03:52:00 am »
Heeeeeeyyyyyy....we could all pitch in and buy an old Foxtrot or Romeo class diesel electric submarine and become pirates preying on vessels flagged in nations that have no navy to come after us!

One week, we let the left wingers smuggle food into starving African nations, the next we let the conservatives torpedo a few ships from countries that support terrorism!

Good times!

Um, no thanks.  Have you ever seen how small those Romeo and Foxtrots are?  Now, make it an Oscar and I'll go along.  Then we could use a pop-up missile attack on Supertankers (conservatives get to spill a lot of oil into the environment and liberals get to stick it to the gas companies).

Judge...

You are going to trust your health to Russian nuclear safety? :o
Sorry, I wouldn't be that brave... I want kids someday that, like me, at least appear physically normal (OK, the mental part is officially up for debate). And the Ruskies don't exactly have the world's best record for nuke safety.


How about we split the difference? A Kilo is quiet, has good (trans-Atlantic) range, cruise missle capibility, and a fair crush depth. All of this without the worrys of those cold-water accidents that seemed so popular in the Red Banner Fleet.

Done, we'll take the Kilo.  Now, do we go with the 53 WH torps or the SET?
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Re: Forget the Hummer, buy a T-34/85 or KV-1 NOW!!!!
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2005, 02:10:33 pm »
Done, we'll take the Kilo.  Now, do we go with the 53 WH torps or the SET?

Are you refering to conventional 53cm torps as opposed to those screwy new super-cavitating torps (aka underwater missiles)?

Not really sure what you are talking about there... link me to to a referece page please? :)
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Re: Forget the Hummer, buy a T-34/85 or KV-1 NOW!!!!
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2005, 03:40:09 pm »
Hmmm, T-34/85 ought to be good for bank withdrawls...
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Re: Forget the Hummer, buy a T-34/85 or KV-1 NOW!!!!
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2005, 11:33:38 pm »
Done, we'll take the Kilo.  Now, do we go with the 53 WH torps or the SET?

Are you refering to conventional 53cm torps as opposed to those screwy new super-cavitating torps (aka underwater missiles)?

Not really sure what you are talking about there... link me to to a referece page please? :)

For some reason my favorite DB on Russian weapons is not operational right now.  Basically the 53WH are wake-homing torpedoes that follow the target's wake to impact.  The standard SET, whose numbers I can't remember right now, is your basic wire-guided torpedo with active-homing terminal stage. 
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Re: Forget the Hummer, buy a T-34/85 or KV-1 NOW!!!!
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2005, 12:22:50 am »
Hey, guys, can I ask a question and not offend any of you?

If you're offended, just PM me and I'll delete the post:

Were all you guys so interested in or knowledgeable or both about weapons BEFORE your entered the service or was it because of it?

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Re: Forget the Hummer, buy a T-34/85 or KV-1 NOW!!!!
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2005, 12:42:02 am »
Before, long before.  I use to go through the public library's books on weapon systems as a pre-teen.
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Re: Forget the Hummer, buy a T-34/85 or KV-1 NOW!!!!
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2005, 08:13:37 am »
Me, I'd like to have both a Nagant and a T-34.  While the gas mileage would suck, if you can come up with the $20,000 for the tank I don't think the fuel would be a problem. 

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Re: Forget the Hummer, buy a T-34/85 or KV-1 NOW!!!!
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2005, 10:08:49 am »
Done, we'll take the Kilo.  Now, do we go with the 53 WH torps or the SET?

Are you refering to conventional 53cm torps as opposed to those screwy new super-cavitating torps (aka underwater missiles)?

Not really sure what you are talking about there... link me to to a referece page please? :)

For some reason my favorite DB on Russian weapons is not operational right now.  Basically the 53WH are wake-homing torpedoes that follow the target's wake to impact.  The standard SET, whose numbers I can't remember right now, is your basic wire-guided torpedo with active-homing terminal stage. 

Wire guided... a wake homer can be foolled too easily.
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Re: Forget the Hummer, buy a T-34/85 or KV-1 NOW!!!!
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2005, 10:19:33 am »
I agree that a Kilo would be an excellent choice. ;D

And I've never been in the service, I've just always been fascinated by stuff that makes other stuff blow up, sink, or fly apart.
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