Topic: Harry....His bags UNpacked ...

[KBF-Crim]

 

[KBF-Crim]

http://dynamic5.gamespy.com/~starmada/forum/showthread.php?t=5893

Harry Appreciation thread.

[KAT J'inn]

Ummm.

Who is Harry?

Who is Vic.

What is the Clan stuff?

What are all the alphabet soup acronyms.

What tha'  BLEEP?

[Strafer]

Don't know Vic but that is definitely Harry Lang, Paramount/Viacom pointman to anything electronic. SFC included.

[KBF-Crim]

Ummm.

Who is Harry?

What Strafer said...

Who is Vic.

Below lawer on the food chain....

What is the Clan stuff?

B.S.

What are all the alphabet soup acronyms.

Anti-lawyer code...

What tha'  BLEEP?

F&A

[Bonk]

Sad,   I'd wondered why we didn't see Harry around anymore. At least it wasn't us that scared him off.

[Sochin]

Vic = Victor1st, left the SFC3 community with Watertiger spat on it and set it alight. Since that event the SFC3 community is starting to grow again, apparently we where dead and buried. Victor also left STGD in a huff and Tony took over after it was shut down - re-opened and know closed. Other sites have sprung up more than welcome to take up the challenge.

As for clan = BS it refers to a directory of clans, basically a yellow pages of SFC clans, hardly BS.

What gets me is this that Vic was dumb enough to bite the hand that feeds.

[KAT J'inn]

I'm still lost . . .    How could some gamer have well . .  . any power over anything . . . at Paramount.


J'inn  <-------  Completely Lost

[KAT J'inn]

STCD  =   ?????????  Clans . . . Star Trek????   WHa???????


STGU =   Just how many Star Trek online games are tehere anyways??   ???   Wha????


Paramount =  Why would anyone that worked at parzamount give a damn??  Seriously!!


Signed,

Clueless in D.C.

[KBF-Crim]

Vic = Victor1st, left the SFC3 community with Watertiger spat on it and set it alight. Since that event the SFC3 community is starting to grow again, apparently we where dead and buried. Victor also left STGD in a huff and Tony took over after it was shut down - re-opened and know closed. Other sites have sprung up more than welcome to take up the challenge.

heh...the condensed version...

As for clan = BS it refers to a directory of clans, basically a yellow pages of SFC clans, hardly BS.

The BS refers to the activites surrounding many of these "clans"...the open warfare that often erupts with each other over petty differences or some percieved slight or insult.......and the wedges this type of "internet nationalism" creates within the community is more often than not...destructive to the community itself...driving off independant and casual gamers...the idea that often the acts of an individual somehow reflect upon the rest of the group and then said groups are painted with broad brushes....

Many of these groups put themselves before whatever game they may be playing at the moment....and often try and muscle or intimidate their way into prominence in the community...they often wont play with non fleet members or independants and even hurl insults to anyone who questions such actions...

We on the other hand see our selves mostly as "community" members and SFC players first...and fleet members second...

By the grace of god...our little community is pretty free from this juevenial behaviour...and many of those groups who once where among us...have left for the latest greatest game...what ever that may be...

Dont get me wrong...I'm all for "Fleets".....they can be great assets to the game community and many help with getting new people up to speed and game support......but the term "Clan" itself implies somekind of backward tribal organization...and often this "group think" leads to actions being taken based upon misconceptions,manipulation ,or outright lies.... and are later regretted by those who took them...

And just witnessing the several clan wars that where not only permitted....but actually encouraged by website admins is just a disgrace to ALL gamers...

What gets me is this that Vic was dumb enough to bite the hand that feeds.

 

[KBF-Crim]

I'm still lost . . .    How could some gamer have well . .  . any power over anything . . . at Paramount.


J'inn  <-------  Completely Lost

One gamer probably wouldnt...but an unbalanced site admin...who cant be shut up....has harrassed a Paramount employee, though his employment , into pulling away from voluntarilly interacting with ALL gamers...

All based on half truths, outright lies, libel,black mail and a personal vendetta by said site admin......

Harry is the guy who comes round every so often and shares what he can concerning Paramount and Trek games...this isnt part of his job...it's just something he did for us fans...

[KAT J'inn]

Sound slike Harry need to not over react and just ignore one person/site.

Also, sound like somebody needs their arse sued. 


<picks up phone to call Paramount>

[EmeraldEdge]

Go J'inn, GO! lol

[KBF-Crim]

Sound slike Harry need to not over react and just ignore one person/site.

Heh...he pretty much did that...until now.....it might be effecting his employment...

And remember...interacting with us isnt part of his job....so if it becomes to big a pain (as it looks like)...he can just withdraw (as he has stated he is doing)..

Also, sound like somebody needs their arse sued. 


<picks up phone to call Paramount>

My thoughts exactly...

[KBF-Crim]

Let me state for the record...I'm not trying to ignite some action against anyone...but rather if you read this...and feel strongly about it...go post in the appreaciation thread...

[KBF-Crim]

Latest reply from a classy guy...:

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Harry
Senior Director, Interactive Viacom Consumer Products, Licensing division of Paramount Pictures
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Hollywood
Posts: 137



  Quote:
Originally Posted by EmeraldEdge
The question I have running through my head is, has any of this gotten to the "higher ups" (or at least anyone with influence over his position there) over at Harry's place, and if so, is there anything we can do to counteract the damage? Is there need for a letter writing campaign on Harry's behalf to anyone in particular, and if so, who and how do we contact those individuals?

Posted By Harry:
No it hasn't. I'm not the least bit worried about that, trust me (I've been with this company for 11 years now). My post and actions are really a result of frustration.

I'm keeping my options open as to what happens next in terms of how much I will participate in the forums again. Thanks for all the emails, PM's and notes in this thread. But again, let's not turn this in to a bash fest.

My offer to resolve whatever issues Vic has still stands.

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I dont know how he does it...

[toasty0]

I dont know how he does it...

I'm sure he gets paid quite well for the heat in the kitchen.

Jerry

[KBF-Crim]

I dont know how he does it...

I'm sure he gets paid quite well for the heat in the kitchen.

Jerry

Hmmm...did you miss the part where interacting with fans ISNT part of his Job?

So in fact..he doesnt get paid for it...nor is he even required to be in the kitchen...

 

[Sochin]

Well hopefully with Vic and Wastetiger gone this should be the end of all this BS from that site.

[Harry]

I dont know how he does it...

I'm sure he gets paid quite well for the heat in the kitchen.

Jerry

Hmmm...did you miss the part where interacting with fans ISNT part of his Job?

So in fact..he doesnt get paid for it...nor is he even required to be in the kitchen...

 

Thanks for all the kind words guys.  No, I don't get paid for THIS kind of heat.

No need to worry about me though, as I said in the other thread, my post is really a result of frustration and nothing else in terms of my employment.  We'll see what happens.

[Sirgod]

Well, You'll always get a Warm Welcome here Harry and Over there also.. You got my support buddy.

Stephen

[toasty0]

I dont know how he does it...

I'm sure he gets paid quite well for the heat in the kitchen.

Jerry

Hmmm...did you miss the part where interacting with fans ISNT part of his Job?

So in fact..he doesnt get paid for it...nor is he even required to be in the kitchen...

 

Hmmmm...

"Senior Director, Interactive Viacom Consumer Products, Licensing division of Paramount Pictures "

Yup, you're right, Crim, he is not required. But, you gotta ask yourself, what does he wish to accomplish by this public "packing of his bags"? And, as Jinn pointed out, just how strongly invested in the community is he if one person can run him off?

Jerry  

[KAT J'inn]

I dont know how he does it...

I'm sure he gets paid quite well for the heat in the kitchen.

Jerry

Hmmm...did you miss the part where interacting with fans ISNT part of his Job?

So in fact..he doesnt get paid for it...nor is he even required to be in the kitchen...

 

Thanks for all the kind words guys.  No, I don't get paid for THIS kind of heat.

No need to worry about me though, as I said in the other thread, my post is really a result of frustration and nothing else in terms of my employment.  We'll see what happens.

You guys sure you don't need someone sued?   I mean really.   You know you want to.  COME ON HERE I NEED MORE CORPORATE CLIENTS!!!   I sick of waiting for my Ferrari!  I want it now.  Throw me a bone here!!!


PLEASE!!!!


<grovel>

[FPF-DieHard]

Yup, you're right, Crim, he is not required. But, you gotta ask yourself, what does he wish to accomplish by this public "packing of his bags"? And, as Jinn pointed out, just how strongly invested in the community is he if one person can run him off?

Jerry  

Those STD idiots don't qualify as a "comunity"

[Harry]

I dont know how he does it...

I'm sure he gets paid quite well for the heat in the kitchen.

Jerry

Hmmm...did you miss the part where interacting with fans ISNT part of his Job?

So in fact..he doesnt get paid for it...nor is he even required to be in the kitchen...

 

Hmmmm...

"Senior Director, Interactive Viacom Consumer Products, Licensing division of Paramount Pictures "

Yup, you're right, Crim, he is not required. But, you gotta ask yourself, what does he wish to accomplish by this public "packing of his bags"? And, as Jinn pointed out, just how strongly invested in the community is he if one person can run him off?

Jerry 

When someone starts saying the very same things about you publicly, let me how you feel. 

[KAT J'inn]

I dont know how he does it...

I'm sure he gets paid quite well for the heat in the kitchen.

Jerry

Hmmm...did you miss the part where interacting with fans ISNT part of his Job?

So in fact..he doesnt get paid for it...nor is he even required to be in the kitchen...

 

Hmmmm...

"Senior Director, Interactive Viacom Consumer Products, Licensing division of Paramount Pictures "

Yup, you're right, Crim, he is not required. But, you gotta ask yourself, what does he wish to accomplish by this public "packing of his bags"? And, as Jinn pointed out, just how strongly invested in the community is he if one person can run him off?

Jerry 

When someone starts saying the very same things about you publicly, let me how you feel. 

I suggest we (and by we I mean me and Paramount, not you personally, I need to charge some corporate sized fees here) sue Toasty also.  Trust me.

Hmm, I always liked red, but maybe it's too over the top. A nice black Ferrari would be good, but they are sooo hard to keep clean.  English racing green perhaps??   Oooo.

[Dallas]

Good to see that you are still around Harry. Don't let Vic get to you. I could
go into how I really feel about this but I'd lose my mod status and be
banned from here.  

[Chris Jones]

Hello Harry - I don't know what Vic's beef with you is but I do hope you'll keep us all informed of things as you recently did on Trek-Online. We are all supporting you in a big way.

 Did you get a look at the Nexus Star Trek Mod screenshots yet?

[Harry]

Hello Harry - I don't know what Vic's beef with you is but I do hope you'll keep us all informed of things as you recently did on Trek-Online. We are all supporting you in a big way.

 Did you get a look at the Nexus Star Trek Mod screenshots yet?

I haven't been to Trek-Online, but you're probably referring to the post I made last week at stgu.

Saw the screenshots, very nice.  I'm going to try the mod when the game is available here.

[FA Frey XC]

Harry -

Just to let you know, you are welcomed here at any time.

Being the owner of this site I've gone through pretty much what you have regarding Vic.

Believe me, this community is worth it. While there are some those that seem to not have anything else to do beside mess w/ others lives, the majority of us all do that same thing - try to do the best we can each day with out stepping on someone elses toes.

Just take a deep breath, and don't sweat the small stuff.

Thank you for everything you do.

Regards,

[toasty0]

I dont know how he does it...

I'm sure he gets paid quite well for the heat in the kitchen.

Jerry

Hmmm...did you miss the part where interacting with fans ISNT part of his Job?

So in fact..he doesnt get paid for it...nor is he even required to be in the kitchen...

 

Hmmmm...

"Senior Director, Interactive Viacom Consumer Products, Licensing division of Paramount Pictures "

Yup, you're right, Crim, he is not required. But, you gotta ask yourself, what does he wish to accomplish by this public "packing of his bags"? And, as Jinn pointed out, just how strongly invested in the community is he if one person can run him off?

Jerry 

When someone starts saying the very same things about you publicly, let me how you feel. 

Harry,

Been there, done that.

Fwiw, don't let Victor twist you into acting in a manner that, well, frankly s[eaking, casts a shadow over you and not him.

Jerry

[toasty0]

I dont know how he does it...

I'm sure he gets paid quite well for the heat in the kitchen.

Jerry

Hmmm...did you miss the part where interacting with fans ISNT part of his Job?

So in fact..he doesnt get paid for it...nor is he even required to be in the kitchen...

 

Hmmmm...

"Senior Director, Interactive Viacom Consumer Products, Licensing division of Paramount Pictures "

Yup, you're right, Crim, he is not required. But, you gotta ask yourself, what does he wish to accomplish by this public "packing of his bags"? And, as Jinn pointed out, just how strongly invested in the community is he if one person can run him off?

Jerry 

When someone starts saying the very same things about you publicly, let me how you feel. 

I suggest we (and by we I mean me and Paramount, not you personally, I need to charge some corporate sized fees here) sue Toasty also.  Trust me.

Hmm, I always liked red, but maybe it's too over the top. A nice black Ferrari would be good, but they are sooo hard to keep clean.  English racing green perhaps??   Oooo.

Go ahead, sue me/ Let me know how that broken down Nissan of mine runs, ok? 

[Dallas]

I dont know how he does it...

I'm sure he gets paid quite well for the heat in the kitchen.

Jerry

Hmmm...did you miss the part where interacting with fans ISNT part of his Job?

So in fact..he doesnt get paid for it...nor is he even required to be in the kitchen...

 

Hmmmm...

"Senior Director, Interactive Viacom Consumer Products, Licensing division of Paramount Pictures "

Yup, you're right, Crim, he is not required. But, you gotta ask yourself, what does he wish to accomplish by this public "packing of his bags"? And, as Jinn pointed out, just how strongly invested in the community is he if one person can run him off?

Jerry 

When someone starts saying the very same things about you publicly, let me how you feel. 

I suggest we (and by we I mean me and Paramount, not you personally, I need to charge some corporate sized fees here) sue Toasty also.  Trust me.

Hmm, I always liked red, but maybe it's too over the top. A nice black Ferrari would be good, but they are sooo hard to keep clean.  English racing green perhaps??   Oooo.

Go ahead, sue me/ Let me know how that broken down Nissan of mine runs, ok? 

I have a POS '94 Chevy Blazer I could toss in if it would help.   

[FRA.E.Kehakoul_XC]

After reading all that, i can only say earthshattering what life can do to people... heckk;)
It seems that that the very (current) nature of the Internet helps to make assumptions , if wrong,  even more grave then they normaly would be. Sad indeed.

[KAT J'inn]

I am surrounded by heathens.

Well screw this, still no PM from Paramount . . . .   Time to be proactive.

<picks up phone>

L.A. Chick:   Hello Paramount.

J?inn: Hello, this is J?inn.  Perhaps you have heard of me.

Receptionist: No, sir, I?m sorry.

J?inn:  grrr.  Well I need to talk to Harry. Pronto.

Receptionist: There is no Mr. Pronto here.

J?inn: <stares at phone blankly> Umm.  No I meant pronto as in fast.  I need to talk to Harry right now.

Receptionist: Sir, we have lots of Harrys here. I need a last name.

J?inn: Hmm.  I don?t know his last name but he?s in the Star Trek division and was something to do with public . . .

Receptionist: OH DEAR You one of those.

J?inn: Wha?  No No

Receptionist: Hold please.

J?inn: But BUT BUT!!!

<click>

Computer Voice: Hello you have reached the Star Trek fan message system.   Press 1 - if you are pissed at us over something involving Star Trek.  Press 2 - If you think Klingons are real and not fictional characters.  Press 3 - If you think William Shatner is god.  Press 4 - If you are mad that TOS got cancelled.  Press 5 - If you think you are a Vulcan.  Press 6 - If you believe you have had sex with a Vulcan.  Press 7 - If . . . .


GRRR!!! <slams down phone and re-dials>

Receptionist: Hello.

J?inn:   Look it?s J?inn.  Frankly I don?t give a damn about Star Trek.  I care about ME!!   Now get Harry?s asre on the phone right the hell now.

Receptionist: Look sir, I told you I need his last name.

J?inn: He is in the Star Trek Department. Management level.  I?m going to be his lawyer . . .

Receptionist: DEAR LORD YOU?RE ONE OF THOSE!!!

J?inn: WHAT!!??

Receptionist: Hold please.

<click>

Computer Voice:   Welcome to the Paramount Lawyer Help Line.   Press 1 - If you want to sue us.  Press 2 - If your client has been sued by us.   Press 3 - If you are a lawyer that likes Star Trek and thinks he has sleep with a female Vulcan.   Press 4  - If you are a lawyer that likes Star Trek and thinks he has slept with a male Vulcan.  Press 5 . . .



ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH


<slams down phone>

[Dallas]

 

Good one J'inn.

Let's take up a collection and get J'inn a Hot Wheel Ferrari.   

[Sochin]

Jinn have some Karma

[EmeraldEdge]

I dont know how he does it...

I'm sure he gets paid quite well for the heat in the kitchen.

Jerry

Hmmm...did you miss the part where interacting with fans ISNT part of his Job?

So in fact..he doesnt get paid for it...nor is he even required to be in the kitchen...

 

Hmmmm...

"Senior Director, Interactive Viacom Consumer Products, Licensing division of Paramount Pictures "

Yup, you're right, Crim, he is not required. But, you gotta ask yourself, what does he wish to accomplish by this public "packing of his bags"? And, as Jinn pointed out, just how strongly invested in the community is he if one person can run him off?

Jerry 

When someone starts saying the very same things about you publicly, let me how you feel. 

Harry,

Been there, done that.

Fwiw, don't let Victor twist you into acting in a manner that, well, frankly s[eaking, casts a shadow over you and not him.

Jerry

  Actually I think the folks around here who are either admins or moderators, or have been in the past, (and probably more than a few others ) that haven't had that type of interaction with him are probably in a drastic minority.   I'm shocked that anyone will even have anything to do with said person anymore.  Oh, well.  I'd shrug it off, block the old e-mail and interact with those who don't claim you are the son of the devil spawned through Hitler's seed here on earth brought for the sole purpose of aggavating and subverting one man's desires.

[FPF-DieHard]

Didn't I get banned flaming that idiot?   

[Matsukasi]

Didn't I get banned flaming that idiot?   

Which idiot? You've set so many alight over the years that it's difficult to remember names.

 

[Ravok]

Harry please don't hold us all accountable for the actions of Victor, and Water Turd These 2 are a curse to the comunity and need professional help. (To put it mildly)

 We all enjoy all of your news about up comming events, And it would be a shame to punish everyone for the actions of 2 malcontents..

 We all like ya here. Pull up a chair and stay a while!

[KBFLordKrueg]

What Ravok said...

[Harry]

Thanks guys, I've given this more thought.

http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~starmada/forum/showpost.php?p=79785&postcount=48

[Dallas]

Good post Harry. Pull up a chair and hang out here for as long as you want.
It's a really good bunch of people around here.

[KAT J'inn]

Thanks guys, I've given this more thought.

http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~starmada/forum/showpost.php?p=79785&postcount=48

YEAH YEAH!   Very nice.   Not lets talk important stuff.    I can't seem to get past yer Receptionist.   GET IN TOUCH WITH ME NOW!!

It's the most important call you will ever make.



J'inn, Beater of Dead Horses.

[KBF-Angel Slayer]

Thanks guys, I've given this more thought.

http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~starmada/forum/showpost.php?p=79785&postcount=48

Anyone here wants to give you a ration, just let us know.  We'll be more than happy to expand their rectum to Holland Tunnel Diameter.   JUDGE!!! Front and center.  FRONT Dammit!!

[KBF-Crim]

Thanks guys, I've given this more thought.

http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~starmada/forum/showpost.php?p=79785&postcount=48

Thank you very much.

[Sethan]

You're always welcome here, Harry - and Vic and his cronies aren't since they got themselves banned.

[Cocomoe]

  I'm glad to see you changed your mind, I will reiterate what the Dynaverse.net team has said and say welcome and you will always have a place her or on the GFL site.


  Cocomoe