Topic: There is something seriously wrong with the server but it is getting better

[KAT J'inn]

Either way, we've already began work in the OP Server Development Team to create a "GF Bible". This will identify what settings can do what in the OP serverkit, and cause possible unpredicatable behavior.

YAY!!!

[GDA-S'Cipio]

Either way, we've already began work in the OP Server Development Team to create a "GF Bible". This will identify what settings can do what in the OP serverkit, and cause possible unpredicatable behavior.

Oh, thank the Lord!   I'd have killed for one of these at many points over the past three years.

If you can ever tie down the exact formula for what the percentage-build gf settings do, I'll name a child after you.  I've been after Taldren on that one for years.

-S'Cipio

[FPF-DieHard]

Funny thing is, the SFC3 Campaigns run GREAT on THOR. We've had many different campaigns with 40+ people on it, and no ones ever had any issues regarding lag, etc.

Just for cuiosity's sake I'm dying to see how this runs on my server.   We shuld try it tonight.   Bonk I get home from work around 8, you curious enough?

[Age]

   The only time they crash in on D3 is when there is omething  wrong with the Mod the SFC3 community has but out.Then they have to go out and make a patch and test if it doesn't work another patch and more testing.You guys are doing a good jop don't let it get to you..

[OlBuzzard]

Seems like Max Torps knew something about this stability issue ...  dunno if he is where you can contact him ....

Ok ..  that sound lame ..  but I think he posted here a while back.  And though things have changed a great deal  he may still be of some assistance.

Just a thought (and like i said ..  probably lame )

[Bonk]

No Olbuzzard, any helpful suggestions are good.    If we're still stuck on it I might just try and give him a shout. Even though I'm pretty sure we've figured it out, having him stop by to put his 2 cents in would be handy regardless. It'd be nice to have all the information we can here on D.net

I think we have it under control; it only crashed 2 or three times in the last 12 hours. We are working to eliminate the remaining errors if possible for the server.

I am not used to running with AI off to avoid shiplist errors. I think I have discovered how disabling the AI in the gfs will destabilise the kit as described on the admins yahoogroup thingy that I dont use anymore because it is too inaccessible. I think I have figured out why it was more unstable sunday night than last night. I'll post all the technical details in the D2 admins forum here later for reference. (there are degress of instability in disabling AI - best avoided, but can be done with minimal crashes as DH has managed to do and I'm now getting the hang of... hopefully we can just make the need to disable AI obsolete with compliant shiplists and thus stabilise the kit...)

[Bonk]

Funny thing is, the SFC3 Campaigns run GREAT on THOR. We've had many different campaigns with 40+ people on it, and no ones ever had any issues regarding lag, etc.

Just for cuiosity's sake I'm dying to see how this runs on my server.   We shuld try it tonight.   Bonk I get home from work around 8, you curious enough?

We only had a few crashes on ODIN last night after Frey and I made some adjustments. Similar to performance obtained on your server. Lets give this a chance to work, I think we might have it.

You offer is most generous and greatly appreciated however, and we might still take you up on it (hold that thought), thanks.

[Sochin]

We've ran many a campaign on ODIN, and there's been some expected crashing but nothing extreme.

The main difference between ODIN and THOR is the memory type. I suspect this was the reason for some of the issues on THOR.

Either way, we've already began work in the OP Server Development Team to create a "GF Bible". This will identify what settings can do what in the OP serverkit, and cause possible unpredicatable behavior.


Funny thing is, the SFC3 Campaigns run GREAT on THOR. We've had many different campaigns with 40+ people on it, and no ones ever had any issues regarding lag, etc.

Frey was this the recent Island Wars campaign, if it was then there was a lot of lag experienced by all. The way we got around it was to log off and on again.

[KBFLordKrueg]

Funny thing is, the SFC3 Campaigns run GREAT on THOR. We've had many different campaigns with 40+ people on it, and no ones ever had any issues regarding lag, etc.

Just for cuiosity's sake I'm dying to see how this runs on my server.   We shuld try it tonight.   Bonk I get home from work around 8, you curious enough?

We only had a few crashes on ODIN last night after Frey and I made some adjustments. Similar to performance obtained on your server. Lets give this a chance to work, I think we might have it.

You offer is most generous and greatly appreciated however, and we might still take you up on it (hold that thought), thanks.

I must say, the crashes were much less frequent last night, even under high loads. Perhaps a 1/2 or more would pass until it burped, as opposed to every 5 min the night before. Keep up the good work! 

[Dizzy]

Define 'High Load'.

[KBFLordKrueg]

20-25 or more players...
Didn't see any burps with player population under about a dozen or so...

[Dizzy]

Thanks for the info. The errors in the DB have stabilized for the most part. I am currently working on a fix as we speak that will eliminate all DB errors. Then we just need to test how many players the bandwidth and processor speed can handle and we will be there. Finally.

It's just that I'm not content to see my server burp or crash at all. So I am feverishly at work attempting to get all the pieces of the puzzle to fit together. Tough job...

[Bonk]

Funny thing is, the SFC3 Campaigns run GREAT on THOR. We've had many different campaigns with 40+ people on it, and no ones ever had any issues regarding lag, etc.

Just for cuiosity's sake I'm dying to see how this runs on my server.   We shuld try it tonight.   Bonk I get home from work around 8, you curious enough?

We only had a few crashes on ODIN last night after Frey and I made some adjustments. Similar to performance obtained on your server. Lets give this a chance to work, I think we might have it.

You offer is most generous and greatly appreciated however, and we might still take you up on it (hold that thought), thanks.

I must say, the crashes were much less frequent last night, even under high loads. Perhaps a 1/2 or more would pass until it burped, as opposed to every 5 min the night before. Keep up the good work! 

I thought it only crashed a few times last night... so it was crashing every 1/2 hour? ... not acceptable... more work to do I guess.

[Bonk]

Either way, we've already began work in the OP Server Development Team to create a "GF Bible". This will identify what settings can do what in the OP serverkit, and cause possible unpredicatable behavior.

Oh, thank the Lord!   I'd have killed for one of these at many points over the past three years.

If you can ever tie down the exact formula for what the percentage-build gf settings do, I'll name a child after you.  I've been after Taldren on that one for years.

-S'Cipio

Now that we have the source, given time, we can finally figure out what all the gf settings do exactly by poring over the source for the serverkit. Will still take some considerable time but at least now it is possible that we may finally know what the gfs mean. No more trial and error - wouldn't that be wonderful...

[KBFLordKrueg]

Funny thing is, the SFC3 Campaigns run GREAT on THOR. We've had many different campaigns with 40+ people on it, and no ones ever had any issues regarding lag, etc.

Just for cuiosity's sake I'm dying to see how this runs on my server.   We shuld try it tonight.   Bonk I get home from work around 8, you curious enough?

We only had a few crashes on ODIN last night after Frey and I made some adjustments. Similar to performance obtained on your server. Lets give this a chance to work, I think we might have it.

You offer is most generous and greatly appreciated however, and we might still take you up on it (hold that thought), thanks.

I must say, the crashes were much less frequent last night, even under high loads. Perhaps a 1/2 or more would pass until it burped, as opposed to every 5 min the night before. Keep up the good work! 

I thought it only crashed a few times last night... so it was crashing every 1/2 hour? ... not acceptable... more work to do I guess.

In all fairness, that only happened for a couple hours. After that, the numbers fell off and it seemd to run fine. And I wasn't exactly timing it, either, so my time estimation could be a little off. Either way, it was a vast improvement over the previous night. 

[Bonk]

Good to hear, we'll stay on it. We think we have nailed the problem down. (though the errors introduced into the db by the original list cannot be removed easily, we may still be able to get by.)

[Dizzy]

Bonk, what'd u and frey tinker with last night in your above post?

[el-Karnak]

Karnak: You say the same old rhetoric every time I make a post that offers criticism. Once again you twist my words describing them as made in anger and I should behave better, etc etc etc blah blah blah. It gets old. The only one making personal attacks here is you. We all know you have some personal problem with me, and no one is going to take any notice of you making these kinds of posts. I don't know why you do it.

If you think backing up Bonk is a personal agenda kind of thing then you are really not getting it.  You are not that important...

I am just looking at the bottom-line.  If you makes posts and somebody I consider a friend reacts like this:

I will say only this: After SG4 I will run SFB-OP on the flatfile on ODIN on its gfs as is. I resent the implication of my incompetence here. Nothing pisses me off more. The SGO4 shiplist has basic YFA issues, missing classes... I can make it work, but not for this server. It took over two years to get the SFB-OP shiplist to work perfectly on a D2 server... see?

Then I am not gonna take it very well. It's a simple as that.  If you made this post in a safer env. like a PM then there would be nothing to talk about here.  I am not even supposed to be "interested" in SG4 cuz I have a lot of RL stuff going on right now and am too busy for this kind of whatever-you-want-to-call-it.

As for your post. It looks OK to me and it would not set me off. But it set Bonk off and that's not good when it all could have been prevented by using more prudent judgment on how you communicate.   I explicitly stated the post would be better off in a PM.  If you don't like PMs then there's the D2 Server Admin. forum right here:

http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/board,3228.0.html
(Both Bonk and I are signed up in there. They even let DH in. :O)

Why not in the general forums, you ask?! In order to prevent any possibility of people's feelings getting hurt (which often happens when certain issues are discussed in the public domain); because, if you are admining a big server like SG4 then you are gonna get jumpy and nervous about how it's going. It's human nature to be nervous when you've taken on a big responsibility; especially, when it's under fire-drill conditions due to last minute changes in both SG4 admin. staff and dyna tech.

Look, I've been through lotsa more colorful campaigns on D3 where the forum rhetoric can really fly. In the end, the sensitive stuff is always better handled in forums other than the general one cuz there's always someone that will take it the wrong way. Not admitting that is not recognizing the facts and consequently the "hot" posts result (cf. for evidence, look above).

Remember J'inn rule . . .


No good deed goes unpunished.   By doing all this work for free you are doin a HUGE good deed.  This means two things:

1)  Yer nuts.  (About the free part that is)

2)  Yer punishment will be substantial.

Just do it for yourself.  Screw everyone else.  Those that like it will play.


Dr. J'inn
University of Screwing Everyone Else
Holder of the Presitigous Lyndon B. Johnson Chair

*snicker* This should be stickied in the SGODEV forum.

And, to end my verbose lecture repotoire of dyna negativity and cynicism on a positive note:

BTW, Angel Slayer. Great Post. RMs should sticky it in the campaign forums.

[KBF-Angel Slayer]

It's like most things in life, Corbomite.  Ali, Tyson, Catfish Hunter, et al, didin't become the best at what they did by taking on only what they could beat with certainty.  They pushed themselves beyond, and challenged everything.  They never viewed a loss as the end of the world, or demanded easier competition, they simply worked harder to become able to beat it.
   Obviously, a computer game isn't life consuming, (at least to sane people.  Myself, I  am really getting to like this!), but the same principle applies.
   Push yourself or buy a spare set of teeth, because you are going to get them kicked down your throat with human intelligence.  Push yourselves or grab a binkie.  I am going to get my rear kicked, and I know it...but every time you kick my rear, I am going to get closer to kicking yours, so in the long run, you WILL lose.  At least once. 

I gotta make some time fer this new guy.  Great posts Angel Slayer.

I look forward to it.  I've got my Depends, I've got my sweatband on, and have taken my Zoloft, so I would enjoy a class from the man that is the reputed master of can kicking.  I should be up and running right again tonight or tomorrow. 

[GDA-Agave]

Well some of the Hickups that some of the missions are having, can make the mission VERY Interesting. Had a mission last night with Agave in a Nebula. The only problem was that there was a Very large Sun in there. And my starting position was at a range of 35 from the sun   By the time I could power up and move to a safe distance from the sun. I was down to 1/3 hull and all my weapons were destroyed

Thank the Great Frog in the sky that the AI flew into the Sun

Ummmm.    Soreyes, good buddy.   I don't know what mission you're talking about.   The only time I was on Monday was in the early hours, and I don't recall any type mission like what you decribed.    Maybe you were flying with Jeremiah, not Jachyra, my SGO4 ISC callsign.    You certainly surprised me when I read this!!

<Agave whispers back over his shoulder to the ISC bartender, " Hey, I think you've better start watering Soreyes drinks down.   I think he's had a bit too many."    > 

I"M EVERYWHERE!!    Hehehehe.


Jachyra

  Policing SGO4 one warmonger at a time