Topic: SGO4 Important New Testing and Feedback Thread!!! (Read 8332 times)

Dizzy · « **on:** January 20, 2005, 08:30:58 am »

Here is the current lin to all things SGO4: http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163351518.msg1122511494.html#msg1122511494

Tonight sometime, there will be another mission and shiplist update. Bonk and I will need everyone we can to test test test till Friday night when the final install will be done. We need as much feedback as possible.

Here are some things to watch out for:

Here are the links to the current installers:

Test moved to D.net to get ready to go live...
Last Edit: January 17, 2005, 12:58:29 pm

Installer updated: http://fire.prohosting.com/astinky/SGO4/SGO4.exe or http://members.lycos.co.uk/astinky/SGO4/[/List]

KBF-Kurok · « **Reply #1 on:** January 20, 2005, 10:32:41 am »

the Kar_ePatrol just says mission complete gives you a victory 300 PP and no shift. I was attacking a gorn hex in an ISC CV.

Bonk · « **Reply #2 on:** January 20, 2005, 10:50:03 am »

Quote from: KBF-Kurok on January 20, 2005, 10:32:41 am

the Kar_ePatrol just says mission complete gives you a victory 300 PP and no shift. I was attacking a gorn hex in an ISC CV.

How many times did this occur?

Bonk · « **Reply #3 on:** January 20, 2005, 11:25:32 am »

Actually, I recall now this occured once last night too... thats enough to say I'll put version 2.1s back in instead to test for the rest of the afternoon (using a few 2.2s now)... hold up... its a shiplist structure thing... might try to fix, if not easily fixable EEK is out...

KBF-Kurok · « **Reply #4 on:** January 20, 2005, 11:48:48 am »

ok it happens in that mission every time when you attack the gorns. When you attack any one else as isc it works fine. Also when you use it as any other race it works fine also I havent tried attacking the gorn as rommie or klink.

Bonk · « **Reply #5 on:** January 20, 2005, 11:55:28 am »

Thanks bunches Kurok, that tells me its a shiplist thing, if I can fix it easily I will, if not then EEK is out as we're OK for missions but a little lacking in variety.

KAT Chuut-Ritt · « **Reply #6 on:** January 20, 2005, 12:18:54 pm »

Wasn't only vs the Gorn Kurok as I had it vs the Mirdan last night.

Bonk · « **Reply #7 on:** January 20, 2005, 12:33:29 pm »

I see this will cause issues all over the place: the doantion the structure...
upcoming fix: I will rearrange the shiplist donation scheme so most missions will work again...

game result: I will disable warp doubling for the pirate slots, otherwise donated empire carriers and PFTs will be able to warp double. therefore the pirates in the lyran slot will not be able to warp double - i'm betting this will be inconsequential to the server... (besides that lyran pirate slot has ISC ships in it... doubling ISC!?!? uhuh.. we can compensate the pirates otherwise in the shiplist if necessary.)

this update will occur shortly, if dizzy and the players are OK with it, we can start putting all kinds of missions back in, if not we can go back to the way it is now and leave out all the missions with issues with this list (most)...

Hexx · « **Reply #8 on:** January 20, 2005, 12:38:05 pm »

No offence Bonk. (And kudos fro running the server)
kudos.. now I have to look and see where that came from

Anyway wouldn't it be better to run the server with the (generally) stable
mission mix we have now, rather than rewriting stuff a couple of days before it's supposed to go live?

(RememberIm not questioning you skills, honestly don't know )

I mean ,essentially we have
1) A more or less stable shiplist
and
2) A more or less stable mission set

Why mess with it?

Bonk · « **Reply #9 on:** January 20, 2005, 12:49:42 pm »

because this shiplist structure will theoretically destabilise any mission. what I'm doing is not radical, just watch - gimmie the afternoon - if it don't work out we can go back to haow it is now...

FPF-DieHard · « **Reply #10 on:** January 20, 2005, 12:52:43 pm »

Quote from: Bonk on January 20, 2005, 12:49:42 pm

because this shiplist structure will theoretically destabilise any mission. what I'm doing is not radical, just watch - gimmie the afternoon - if it don't work out we can go back to haow it is now...

It will work. It will work exactly how Bonk is proposing as long as he can properly disable Engine doubling.

Dizzy · « **Reply #11 on:** January 20, 2005, 01:11:37 pm »

The Pirates in the Lyran slot are inconsequential compared to having the missions work. They were a bit part anyway. I'll be happy to trade them in for stable missions. And bonk, the isc ships in the lyran list wernt donored so they couldnt engine double. Course, if ur fix works, it all wont matter anyway.

GL, I really hope it works.

Bonk · « **Reply #12 on:** January 20, 2005, 01:31:38 pm »

Server updated with this test, installer at prohosting updated. (lycos shortly). Mission names still on and instant purchases for the test.

Father Ted · « **Reply #13 on:** January 20, 2005, 01:33:10 pm »

Gotta go run an errand, but if you could bump the link to the new update, I've got the rest of the afternoon...

Bonk · « **Reply #14 on:** January 20, 2005, 01:39:31 pm »

Quote from: Father Ted on January 20, 2005, 01:33:10 pm

Gotta go run an errand, but if you could bump the link to the new update, I've got the rest of the afternoon...

Linked on info thread (1st page):
http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163351518.0.html

or here:

http://fire.prohosting.com/astinky/SGO4/SGO4.exe or http://members.lycos.co.uk/astinky/SGO4/

Farfarer · « **Reply #15 on:** January 20, 2005, 04:03:05 pm »

Server appears down this aft - no testing possible - presume fixing in progress as discussed above.

Age · « **Reply #16 on:** January 20, 2005, 04:12:19 pm »

We don't need those sound effects in the sticky above do we just the installer just making sure.

Dizzy · « **Reply #17 on:** January 20, 2005, 04:27:46 pm »

its up and another installer is being done. We are on our 3rd in 3 hrs. So its changing fast. If you get crc errors, u need to re dl the installer.

KBFLordKrueg · « **Reply #18 on:** January 20, 2005, 04:40:50 pm »

*sigh* And I just downloaded the installer from the above thread...
Please post when the FINAL installer is done...

KBFLordKrueg · « **Reply #19 on:** January 20, 2005, 04:43:09 pm »

Oh, and btw, when I click on the webmap link, then go to load map, it brings up a blank screen for me.
Will the webmap be up for the campaign? Or just for the beta server?

Dizzy · « **Reply #20 on:** January 20, 2005, 04:45:07 pm »

u prolly caught it as it was resetting.

Edit, in fact, the LAST installer we are doing till late tonight has just been done. So D/L and help test till tonight. Co-Op and PvP are the only things need testing. Proper DV shifts and prestige rerporting, esp with karnak patrols. U want AI stripping right? Gotta make sure the missions work or they will be pulled and we are with ED.

Hexx · « **Reply #21 on:** January 20, 2005, 05:26:41 pm »

Can we get the game turns sped up for the test server?
Trying to get the Lyran Carriers tested and it's a long wait

If I run them all through in SP will the results be the same or is there a difference
with the servers shiplist?

Farfarer · « **Reply #22 on:** January 20, 2005, 05:55:45 pm »

Latest installer MAY have reset meto the old WON server settings. I was getting Firewall until I re-installed the WON update . Note I say "may" ( as it may have been something else I did).

Hexx · « **Reply #23 on:** January 20, 2005, 06:19:38 pm »

Quote from: Farfarer on January 20, 2005, 05:55:45 pm

Latest installer MAY have reset meto the old WON server settings. I was getting Firewall until I re-installed the WON update . Note I say "may" ( as it may have been something else I did).

Think it must have been something else.
I can log onto server no problem.

FPF-Tobin Dax · « **Reply #24 on:** January 20, 2005, 07:13:16 pm »

I just ran a mission in a Romulan SUN with 2 squads of 4 fighters. I bought 4 CENd and 4 CENl and when I launched them, they were invisible/not there. No shots fired. I did have the 2 squad markers in my shuttle control panel and the appropriate launch and recovery sound fx were there.

Farfarer · « **Reply #25 on:** January 20, 2005, 07:17:35 pm »

I don't see the SGO server listed - just the DNET, BOSC and UAW.

Hexx · « **Reply #26 on:** January 20, 2005, 07:26:35 pm »

Quote from: FPF-TobinDax on January 20, 2005, 07:13:16 pm

I just ran a mission in a Romulan SUN with 2 squads of 4 fighters. I bought 4 CENd and 4 CENl and when I launched them, they were invisible/not there. No shots fired. I did have the 2 squad markers in my shuttle control panel and the appropriate launch and recovery sound fx were there.

Romulan CEN's are PF's not fighters

I think we can (or have) a list of fighters & PF's somewhere so everyone can find out which is which.

FPF-Tobin Dax · « **Reply #27 on:** January 20, 2005, 07:58:51 pm »

...at any rate nothing showed up...

Hexx · « **Reply #28 on:** January 20, 2005, 08:00:01 pm »

Its a bug (or something) you can buy PF's for a "fighter carrier" , they'll show up on dispaly and youll get the laucnh sounds, but tehy dont show in game

Firehawk · « **Reply #29 on:** January 20, 2005, 08:34:48 pm »

Yes the R-Cen(d/l) and the R-STH-E/D/A/B/L are pf's and can only be carried by a full/casual pf tender. The romulan fighters are the R-G1/2/3 etc. If you try to put fighters on a pf tender or pf's on a carrier then you will not see anything launch in game.

Green · « **Reply #30 on:** January 20, 2005, 09:02:52 pm »

The Kar5 patrol mission has the same bugs as before.

In coop, the DV won't drop and the drafted coop player won't receive prestige once they return to the map.

Bonk · « **Reply #31 on:** January 20, 2005, 09:07:21 pm »

Quote from: Hexx on January 20, 2005, 05:26:41 pm

Can we get the game turns sped up for the test server?
Trying to get the Lyran Carriers tested and it's a long wait

If I run them all through in SP will the results be the same or is there a difference
with the servers shiplist?

No difference to run through them in SP - just test for PFs and fighters where there should be... faster anyway.

Bonk · « **Reply #32 on:** January 20, 2005, 09:12:17 pm »

Quote from: Green on January 20, 2005, 09:02:52 pm

The Kar5 patrol mission has the same bugs as before.

In coop, the DV won't drop and the drafted coop player won't receive prestige once they return to the map.

Kar5?

There is Kar_DockRaid.scr, Kar_ePatrol.scr and Kar_hPatrol.scr which one you mean? In any case it looks like the EEK missions wont work. (I'd be curious to see if they are behaving the same on SFB-OP and UAW...)

The plan is to put some of the NW missions that were removed due to unhappyness with the last shiplist back in for variety, and if OK leave them in and just go with those.

Green · « **Reply #33 on:** January 20, 2005, 09:40:46 pm »

Kar_ePatrol ... sorry.

Centurus · « **Reply #34 on:** January 20, 2005, 09:56:13 pm »

I was able to log onto the server last night with no problems. Never played OP online, so I was just testing to see if I could connect to the server without problems. Now, after fixing my resolution problem, I can't log onto the server. I keep getting the error message that starfleetop.exe is missing, even after I uninstall and reinstall the SGO4 mod. Any help would be appreciated.

Dizzy · « **Reply #35 on:** January 20, 2005, 10:10:33 pm »

Diahak, might want to move ur post there to its own thread so more peeps read it.

Quote from: Bearslayer

Gorn have no DNs to build in the first cycle.... so what is the decision on this?

They can't build a DN so what can we do with those BP's?

Ok, well, 2 (always half of what u have) can be banked and you can loan 1. Means u end up wasting one.

Or you can convert them to CP's at a rate of 2 to 1. Use your 1 turn CP exemption (the rule that says u cant spend more than half ur CP's on the same type ship) and you have 6x BF's.

Course, I do think the Gorn do have a crappy Dread and if they do, you can upgrade that later to a better refit like this:

G-cDNE >   G-cDN >   G-cDNF >   G-cDNT (1CP) or G-cDNH (1CP)


G-cDNP >
G-cDNL >   G-cDNM (1CP)

Lotsa things to consider.

Dizzy · « **Reply #36 on:** January 20, 2005, 10:17:05 pm »

Bonk, the Gorn BCV only has 5 spares.

Firehawk · « **Reply #37 on:** January 20, 2005, 10:46:48 pm »

Quote from: Dizzy, the Slave Girl Pimpmaster on January 20, 2005, 10:10:33 pm

Diahak, might want to move ur post there to its own thread so more peeps read it.

Quote from: Bearslayer
Gorn have no DNs to build in the first cycle.... so what is the decision on this?

They can't build a DN so what can we do with those BP's?

Ok, well, 2 (always half of what u have) can be banked and you can loan 1. Means u end up wasting one.

Or you can convert them to CP's at a rate of 2 to 1. Use your 1 turn CP exemption (the rule that says u cant spend more than half ur CP's on the same type ship) and you have 6x BF's.

Course, I do think the Gorn do have a crappy Dread and if they do, you can upgrade that later to a better refit like this:

G-cDNE >   G-cDN >   G-cDNF >   G-cDNT (1CP) or G-cDNH (1CP)


G-cDNP >
G-cDNL >   G-cDNM (1CP)

Lotsa things to consider.

I haven't downloaded the latest shiplist so these might have changed but:
G-DNE 2260
G-DN 2271
G-DNL 2272
G-DND 2272

Any of which I think can be built for the first cycle.

Wraith 413 · « **Reply #38 on:** January 20, 2005, 10:52:25 pm »

Problem with the Karnak Dock Raid. I was in ISC space and the defending ships appeared. When I looked at my map, 1 of the defending ships was marked with the big "X", like a station would be. I destroyed the first 2 ships and then had to fly around the hex to find the other docks. Again the 2 defending ships appeared, same as the first time. I never saw the actual space docks.

Wraith 413

Dizzy · « **Reply #39 on:** January 20, 2005, 11:42:24 pm »

dock raid requires you to blow up 2x FRD's. That's it. If you fail to do so in a timely manner, enemy reinforcements show up.

Bottom line is that any decent NCL or CA can do that mission. But you have to focus on your objective. If you don't, you will fail that mission. I think its a great mission.

Dizzy · « **Reply #40 on:** January 21, 2005, 02:15:08 am »

Bonk, can you also take a look at the R-KHK(f) donors and all, and compare it to the KCR for DamCon rating? I think (if thats what determines spares,) that they are different. The KHK has 10 and the KCR has 15. Is this correct?

Bonk · « **Reply #41 on:** January 21, 2005, 05:38:31 am »

Quote from: Daihak on January 20, 2005, 09:56:13 pm

I was able to log onto the server last night with no problems. Never played OP online, so I was just testing to see if I could connect to the server without problems. Now, after fixing my resolution problem, I can't log onto the server. I keep getting the error message that starfleetop.exe is missing, even after I uninstall and reinstall the SGO4 mod. Any help would be appreciated.

Undo whatever you did to fix the resolution. Find StarfleetOP.exe in your OP installation folder; right click and copy it, then "paste as shortcut" on the desktop. Use this shortcut to start the game. Download EzINI - use this to set your resolution etc.

Bonk · « **Reply #42 on:** January 21, 2005, 06:00:54 am »

Quote from: Dizzy, the Slave Girl Pimpmaster on January 20, 2005, 10:17:05 pm

Bonk, the Gorn BCV only has 5 spares.

Quote from: Dizzy, the Slave Girl Pimpmaster on January 21, 2005, 02:15:08 am

Bonk, can you also take a look at the R-KHK(f) donors and all, and compare it to the KCR for DamCon rating? I think (if thats what determines spares,) that they are different. The KHK has 10 and the KCR has 15. Is this correct?

Passed out when I got home last night, sorry... I'll look at those when I get home from work tonight. (and the remaining updates)

I had a look through the NW missions last night before I crashed tho and it seems most that were pulled were for reasons not due to the shiplist. (mostly out of era fighters etc...). It seems players are more observant and picky than in the past (a good thing!), many of the same missions were on the GW series, SFB-OP and older servers. So we're pretty much down to the same mission list as before. I can put the shiplist donation structure back the way it was if we want so we can turn warp doubling back on. (but I think this config is more stable - if we get reports of cheating I'll simply set up the installer so that you cannot, but it will be inconvenient for all so I'd rather not). Anyway I can set it up either way, just let me know, and I'll look at those two issues mentioned above.

I can work on it a bunch tonight to finalise things, which will probably end up being pretty much where DH had things anyway, plus the minor shiplist fixes found since. Send along the final(?) map and "upsized" heavy fighter models and I'll get at 'er about 5PM EST...

Dizzy · « **Reply #43 on:** January 21, 2005, 07:01:17 am »

Yippy skippy... Bout done on my side. Looking good. Sending u the stuff u need to finalize. Cya 2night.

Centurus · « **Reply #44 on:** January 21, 2005, 08:07:21 am »

Quote from: Bonk on January 21, 2005, 05:38:31 am

Quote from: Daihak on January 20, 2005, 09:56:13 pm
I was able to log onto the server last night with no problems. Never played OP online, so I was just testing to see if I could connect to the server without problems. Now, after fixing my resolution problem, I can't log onto the server. I keep getting the error message that starfleetop.exe is missing, even after I uninstall and reinstall the SGO4 mod. Any help would be appreciated.

Undo whatever you did to fix the resolution. Find StarfleetOP.exe in your OP installation folder; right click and copy it, then "paste as shortcut" on the desktop. Use this shortcut to start the game. Download EzINI - use this to set your resolution etc.

Thanks for the advice. I'll try it out again. I reinstalled the entire game, and the same thing still happened. I've even been going straight into the game folder and located the exe file and used that, and still, same thing.

Dizzy · « **Reply #45 on:** January 21, 2005, 08:33:50 am »

14 terrain hexes have been removed. It's always easier to remove them than to go back in and add them afterwards. New map will go up tonight.

Father Ted · « **Reply #46 on:** January 21, 2005, 08:48:22 am »

Gotta head to work, but should be home around 2 or 3 CST this afternoon. I need to practice my Bruce skills because they're pretty rusty...

Age · « **Reply #47 on:** January 21, 2005, 01:17:34 pm »

How come we are only allowed 5 parts instead of 10 it would be nice to have 12?You may be great at this with less parts being a vetran and all but how about us rookies?

Dizzy · « **Reply #48 on:** January 21, 2005, 01:21:56 pm »

a vet would make more use than a newb of spares. U'd never want to give a vet more.

All ships have a damage control rating that determines their spares number.

Firehawk · « **Reply #49 on:** January 21, 2005, 05:20:22 pm »

Hey Dizzy I am not sure if thiswas intended or not but several ships are showing up at the wrong time.

The R-sK7VR in the rom section show year 9 but in the Orionsynd donor section at the top it shows as year 20 causing not to show up in game until 2283 instead of 2272. The R-sSPB, R-sSUA and several others are the same way.

FPF-DieHard · « **Reply #50 on:** January 21, 2005, 05:22:22 pm »

Quote from: Firehawk on January 21, 2005, 05:20:22 pm

Hey Dizzy I am not sure if thiswas intended or not but several ships are showing up at the wrong time.

The R-sK7VR in the rom section show year 9 but in the Orionsynd donor section at the top it shows as year 20 causing not to show up in game until 2283 instead of 2272. The R-sSPB, R-sSUA and several others are the same way.

Nope, the donor FYA does not matter.

Firehawk · « **Reply #51 on:** January 21, 2005, 05:25:38 pm »

Quote from: FPF-DieHard on January 21, 2005, 05:22:22 pm

Quote from: Firehawk on January 21, 2005, 05:20:22 pm
Hey Dizzy I am not sure if thiswas intended or not but several ships are showing up at the wrong time.

The R-sK7VR in the rom section show year 9 but in the Orionsynd donor section at the top it shows as year 20 causing not to show up in game until 2283 instead of 2272. The R-sSPB, R-sSUA and several others are the same way.

Nope, the donor FYA does not matter.

Really, interesting I just logged on to the server and looked and tried it in SP and none of those ships are available until 2283

Dizzy · « **Reply #52 on:** January 21, 2005, 05:39:09 pm »

I dont think its a problem. There are 2x shiplists. Yours and the server. they play nice together on the dyna, but seperated, they are evil and mean.

Firehawk · « **Reply #53 on:** January 21, 2005, 05:45:59 pm »

If you guys say so, I will take your word for it since you know more about the server kit than I do. I just thought I would report that even on the server they show as 2283 on the shipyard description screen.

FPF-DieHard · « **Reply #54 on:** January 21, 2005, 05:55:11 pm »

Quote from: Firehawk on January 21, 2005, 05:45:59 pm

If you guys say so, I will take your word for it since you know more about the server kit than I do. I just thought I would report that even on the server they show as 2283 on the shipyard description screen.

the Donor ships shouldn't even be in the Server list. This is how it worked in GW4.

Age · « **Reply #55 on:** January 21, 2005, 07:11:32 pm »

Quote from: Dizzy, the Slave Girl Pimpmaster on January 21, 2005, 01:21:56 pm

a vet would make more use than a newb of spares. U'd never want to give a vet more.

All ships have a damage control rating that determines their spares number.

That is becuase you are Vet but what about the newbs?You could buy 5 and I could buy 10.

Dizzy · « **Reply #56 on:** January 21, 2005, 07:14:49 pm »

Hrmmm. Create newb and vet ship variants. ::toss idea for another server:: Speaking of newbs, its about time for the LOTTERY! afk...

KBF-Angel Slayer · « **Reply #57 on:** January 21, 2005, 07:17:57 pm »

Don't forget me in it!!! As for the ship variants, I personally, as a newbie, feel realism is cool. Repair parts in real ships aren't determined by a captains seniority, but rather by class.

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