Topic: I know some of you hate his guts but got to post this pic of his D7 he's redon (Read 3158 times)

Khalee002 · « **on:** January 16, 2005, 04:45:55 pm »

Reguardless of his viewpoints, He does do good texture work, and these D7's kick ass. Much like Demon Renegades tmp D7

http://atrahasis.proboards25.com/index.cgi?board=models&action=display&num=1105879135

S33K100 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 16, 2005, 05:09:46 pm »

Pretty much everyone here likes or at least doesn't dislike Atra, it's only certain individuals who frequent the off-topic area that are the reason he is banned. I for one rather like his work and happen to share many of his views.

Starforce2 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 16, 2005, 05:18:31 pm »

I think he should get the politics out of the mods...all the John Kerry crap is over with now..but yea...atra's stuff r0xx.

E_Look · « **Reply #3 on:** January 16, 2005, 05:27:13 pm »

I don't hate him, and I think he knows that, even if we have argued from different sides of the fence.

But there's no argument that he's one talented artist. Are these new Klink predators of his ready for d/l yet or is he still tweaking them?

Khalee002 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 16, 2005, 05:32:56 pm »

No they are not ready yet, he's still tweaking them A little I think. But they will deffently be my standard tos D7 D6's when he does release them.

GotAFarmYet? · « **Reply #5 on:** January 16, 2005, 05:52:31 pm »

Nope i like Atra, and stood up for him more than once.

I really don't care about a persons political views, I have friends that cover both sides all the way to the extremes. The thing is what they view politically has nothing to do with as they are a person. All ranting aside most of the time the ones with the extreme views are the nicest ppl, that are willing to help no matter what.

Reverend · « **Reply #6 on:** January 16, 2005, 06:54:15 pm »

Fascinating, or laughably repugnant, that an off-topic forum relating to a space naval combat simulation video game for people who don't even play the video game in question exists, and even more amazing that said forum has more bearing than this very forum, that relates most directly and critically in the video game's continued interest.
Politics do not belong in this forum, only starship design, refitting of starships, their systems, works-in-progress of said material, advice, relevant comments, discussions, etc., and of course heaps of praises.
Atra did fine work, minus the politics.... its unfortunate that he couldn't separate the two, and therefore not damage the stability and integrity of this forum, or any of its direct incarnations. I for one do not wish his prescence here, we're holding up quite nicely, and don't need any naysayers or trouble-makers.

Once again, I thank each and every one of you in this forum for their participation in all degrees.

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #7 on:** January 16, 2005, 08:44:31 pm »

I like Atra. He does amazing work.

S33K100 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 16, 2005, 09:09:00 pm »

Atra separated the politics just fine, I never saw a single political post by him on the modelling forums; he kept that stuff in the off-topic forums where it belonged. Unfortunately some people who ONLY frequented the off-topic forums at Taldren found themselves in a position of authority back then. The reasons for Atra's banning from this forum are no secret and do not relate to politics, he dared to make the heretical comment that these forums were not the 'official' continuation of the Taldren boards as some were asserting when Taldren finally sank with most hands and we've not seen him here since. Laughable indeed.

Sandman3D · « **Reply #9 on:** January 16, 2005, 10:27:32 pm »

I've always liked Atra...regardless of his political view point. I may not agree with him, but, since this is place to share models and stuff regarding Trek, I look past the politics and see the fantastic work he does...a shame that "others" can't do the same.

Reverend · « **Reply #10 on:** January 16, 2005, 10:42:34 pm »

Quote from: Marauth on January 16, 2005, 09:09:00 pm

Atra separated the politics just fine, I never saw a single political post by him on the modelling forums; he kept that stuff in the off-topic forums where it belonged. Unfortunately some people who ONLY frequented the off-topic forums at Taldren found themselves in a position of authority back then. The reasons for Atra's banning from this forum are no secret and do not relate to politics, he dared to make the heretical comment that these forums were not the 'official' continuation of the Taldren boards as some were asserting when Taldren finally sank with most hands and we've not seen him here since. Laughable indeed.

Aye, you do have a point, I am corrected. You know, I think he may still be around, in another incarnation... and, come to think of it, he most certainly never did anything to me- I guess I am triggershy about these forums; this forum is so productive, so populated, yet almost completely trouble-free. Its a really fine community to 'belong' to. Maybe, since I didnt read many of those posts, I end up being no better than the ones who propogated the insinuations in the first place. I won't remove my last post, as it wasn't derogatory, but like they say, its always better to ask for forgiveness than it is for permission!

Off-topic..... ha.
He made great models, thats what I am here to support. Therefore, logically, I should support him, so, now, I do. Do I sound better now?

S33K100 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 16, 2005, 11:21:31 pm »

Quote from: Reverend on January 16, 2005, 10:42:34 pm

He made great models, thats what I am here to support.

Well said

Dizzy · « **Reply #12 on:** January 17, 2005, 02:09:16 am »

Atra and XC actually have a secret love affair. But seriously, you gotta seperate the good from the bad when you have a relationship with someone you do business with. Despite that fact I am overly fond of him, I dislike Atra's political views, some of his anti-dynaverse.net theatrics and a few other things, but his work is splendid.

Grim Reaper · « **Reply #13 on:** January 17, 2005, 01:29:44 pm »

Quote from: Marauth on January 16, 2005, 11:21:31 pm

Quote from: Reverend on January 16, 2005, 10:42:34 pm
He made great models, thats what I am here to support.

Well said

indeed.

Rogue · « **Reply #14 on:** January 17, 2005, 06:08:35 pm »

All I can say is that Atrahasis was always good by me. I never talked with him very much but the few writings we had were always about finding a little more fun to be had from SFC. The best compliment I can pay his models is that they are an excellent balance of quality and economy. No more pollies than were needed and really well made texture maps. If I had to not use them to play OP the game would look a lot less interesting than it does now.

Chris Johnson · « **Reply #15 on:** January 17, 2005, 06:19:49 pm »

Quote

Despite that fact I am overly fond of him, I dislike Atra's political views, some of his anti-dynaverse.net theatrics and a few other things, but his work is splendid.

I basically agree with Dizzy, but not completely. I'm not fond of Atra nor know him personally, and I don't agree with many of his views. I especially find it annoying how he sometimes expresses it through passworded zip files of his work, but I can push that aside and see the good of him that out-shines his differences between myself and him. I may not agree with some of his ways of thinking is what I'm trying to say basically, but ultimately he's a good guy and extremely-talented, and a shame he's not around still.

Besides, isn't everybody different? Yet we come together by what we share in similarities and celebrate our fandoms and thrive as a community like this, much like how Gene's ideal future of humanity living in paradise is, celebrating our diversity and similarities and not hating each other because of this or that and fighting over the same reasons.

Sandman3D · « **Reply #16 on:** January 17, 2005, 09:27:15 pm »

OK, I have to say, this thread really seems to be turning into a bash him or love him thread...and it was started to show a great model, but haven't seen any comments regarding this. For good or evil, Atra is not allowed to come here and defend himself, so personally I thinki we should lay off. He has his own forum on his site, so go register and tell him what you think, but let's not do it here...we've had too many bad things happen in this community to chance a flare up of old animosities. The last blow-up cost us many great modelers, who are recently coming back and showing us their awesome work...such as P81, J-O-K-E-R, Chris Jones etc... let's just keep to models and Trek. Please?

My $.02

wulf111 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 17, 2005, 10:36:41 pm »

Quote from: Sandman3D on January 17, 2005, 09:27:15 pm

OK, I have to say, this thread really seems to be turning into a bash him or love him thread...and it was started to show a great model, but haven't seen any comments regarding this. For good or evil, Atra is not allowed to come here and defend himself, so personally I thinki we should lay off. He has his own forum on his site, so go register and tell him what you think, but let's not do it here...we've had too many bad things happen in this community to chance a flare up of old animosities. The last blow-up cost us many great modelers, who are recently coming back and showing us their awesome work...such as P81, J-O-K-E-R, Chris Jones etc... let's just keep to models and Trek. Please?

My $.02

i agree with sandman

Red_Green · « **Reply #18 on:** January 17, 2005, 10:58:14 pm »

Quote from: wulf111 on January 17, 2005, 10:36:41 pm

Quote from: Sandman3D on January 17, 2005, 09:27:15 pm
OK, I have to say, this thread really seems to be turning into a bash him or love him thread...and it was started to show a great model, but haven't seen any comments regarding this. For good or evil, Atra is not allowed to come here and defend himself, so personally I thinki we should lay off. He has his own forum on his site, so go register and tell him what you think, but let's not do it here...we've had too many bad things happen in this community to chance a flare up of old animosities. The last blow-up cost us many great modelers, who are recently coming back and showing us their awesome work...such as P81, J-O-K-E-R, Chris Jones etc... let's just keep to models and Trek. Please?

My $.02

i agree with sandman

True enough- the title of the thread is kinda emotionally charged, if it just red A rework of Atra's D7 the comments likely would be about the ship/

MajorRacal · « **Reply #19 on:** January 18, 2005, 05:23:46 am »

These D-7 variants are beautiful.

As for the direction this thread has taken, I'm mildly disquietened. I remember Atra's dismissal from these forums, and to date I remain oblivious as to the reasons. To be frank, I'm not overly interested in the back story, it is irrelevant and his ejection from these forums remains a moot point for good or ill. My personal feelings are that he has been censored for whatever reason and as a result we have lost a valuable member of the community as his talent is unquestionable.

In adopting the word 'forum' to describe discussion areas like this, it should be remembered where the word comes from and it's purpose... It is a public venue or platform for open, uncensored, debate, discussion and expression of ideas, theories, philosophies and concepts. Not everyone has the same ideas, beliefs or ideals - but everyone is entitled to express and share them and subsequently we can agree or disagree with them without the need to condemn or pilory. I feel this is sometimes forgotten, and that personal differences are allowed to come to the fore and cloud situations, we're none of us perfect, so it can happen easily.

Personalities will blend and clash, as in all areas of life - if someone has an issue with someone else, it's easy to become bogged down with past disagreements or become weighed down with personal grudges. They are a waste of energy and counter-productive (just look at how much time has been (mis)spent replying to this one thread!!) We need to learn to get over it and get on with the more important stuff. Also remember that the written word is easily open to misinterpretation, particularly in a cross cultural arena where people's command of the written word is demonstrably questionable. Our own frame of mind can also have a bearing on our interpretation of what we read. What may appear to be a sleight, could have been intended as an innoccuous remark.

For good and ill, politics are a polarising and thorny bed, and utterly irrelevant to the modelling forum. From my observations, most who use this particular board agree. There have been no real flashpoints. A few unfortunate turns of phrase, yes; some instances of robust discussion and debate, yes, but nothing truly venal, and nothing that can't be forgiven or forgotten. For the most part, we agree, and get on with what we're doing - concentrating on our projects, sharing experiences and techniques and helping one another out where we can and embracing new members into the fold - using this resource as it was intended.

Perhaps one day, the decision to ban Atra will be rescinded, perhaps not. In the meantime, forget the furore generated elsewhere, and recognise that in this arena, it is his (and our own) work that iis important.

<slips soapbox back into cupboard>

MajorRacal

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