Topic: SG4 Destructible Bases (Read 5180 times)

Dizzy · « **on:** January 12, 2005, 04:21:51 pm »

Important tests need to be done. Please help.

Because bases are destructible, meaning they dissappear from the map when destroyed, they have been improved. How much improved? Too much or too little? I need your help to decide. So pair up with a partner and go base busting. Every other base alternates between BATS and SB's. So each are everywhere.

Starbases have been revised to the point where it isnt wise to get closer than 25 w/o having a plan to crack it quickly. The SB's can deal out an ass whooping in such a short time you may not recover from if too close. And dont think a severely damaged SB cant dish it out, lol. It sure can right up till it dies.

The SB's are designed to withstand 2x Heavy cruisers. 2x BC's have an unlikely chance and a DN BC combo should be equal to the tastk. Several Dreads or CVA's should, depending on very smart tactics, never fail to kill a base unless you wing with Hexx. Please test to confirm what you can take down a Starbase with.

Battlestations are tough and might be able to be taken out solo in a BC or Dread, but two CCH ships or better should take it. Please confirm.

I appreciate your help here, as DH and I are gravely concerned about this issue being unresolved so close to launch. We now put this in your hands. Let's see what results you have to show.

Thx,
Diz

FPF-DieHard · « **Reply #1 on:** January 12, 2005, 04:32:07 pm »

Test with every race!!!!!!

Dizzy · « **Reply #2 on:** January 12, 2005, 04:38:21 pm »

Quote from: FPF-DieHard on January 12, 2005, 04:32:07 pm

Test with every race!!!!!!

Results so far:

Chuut and I easily killed a R-SBFR with a I-CVS and CCY. Took 30 mins.

Then we destroyed an I-SBFR with a F-CVA and H-IC using an illegal ftr combo, but we didnt take damage till chuut got stupidly close. Still wasnt hard tho. I'd not call it an 'official' test cuz our ftr flotilla was illegal.

Capt_Bearslayer_XC · « **Reply #3 on:** January 12, 2005, 05:12:59 pm »

I-SBFR vs Z-cBBV with 16 HAAS. No go, used most of my expendables killing the I-BBV & I-CLY but 16 fighters worth of drones didn't even crack a shield.

Trying an IC+ with Stinger 2m's....

FPF-DieHard · « **Reply #4 on:** January 12, 2005, 05:28:37 pm »

Go in pairs with realistric combos like a CVA and a CA.

Capt_Bearslayer_XC · « **Reply #5 on:** January 12, 2005, 05:41:08 pm »

I-SBFR vs H-IC+ with S-2m's. After dispatching the I-BBZ & I-DNZ, the S-2m's went on a rampage destroying the base in about 4 minutes.

Initial volley by the Stingers was over 200 (unfortunately, they hit two shields instead of one), then they picked it apart with gatlings.

Hydran's motto should be:

Have base? Will bust!!!

Or maybe.... All your base are belong to us!

KAT J'inn · « **Reply #6 on:** January 12, 2005, 05:46:15 pm »

Bases go boom?

Hmm, that sound you just heard was Chuut getting overly aroused.

Capt_Bearslayer_XC · « **Reply #7 on:** January 12, 2005, 06:45:29 pm »

I-BATS vs H-DNW with 4 Stinger Xm's.

Lost 1/2 my stingers fighting off the ISC ships.

But the remaining 4 were sufficient enought to cap the base.

Commander Maxillius · « **Reply #8 on:** January 12, 2005, 06:47:47 pm »

F-BBf (Z-BB and H-big ship AI wings) vs I-SB (I-DN* defender)

F-BBf sole survivor, 0 parts, 0 drones, 0 PF's, 0 allies, dim pink shields and 24 power after 25 minutes.

Also, those Ph4's maintain a lock on your flaming arse all the way out of range!!!

very tricky, but Two BB's or DNH's may be able to crack a SB as-is. Both players will need heavy repairs though, so it's not an endeavor for PP farming, that's for sure.

Dizzy · « **Reply #9 on:** January 12, 2005, 08:49:13 pm »

Quote from: Maxillius on January 12, 2005, 06:47:47 pm

F-BBf (Z-BB and H-big ship AI wings) vs I-SB (I-DN* defender)

R u sure it was just an I-SB and not a '+' or 'F' or 'FR' version of the SB?

Plain I-SB shouldnt spawn as AI.

It's important I know which version base you are destroying. So far it seems bases need more ftr defense, ADD racks and PlaD, but I'm hoping I dont have to change them again. If they are too weak to defend vs cheese, then mb make the bases really cheap to buy...

Capt_Bearslayer_XC · « **Reply #10 on:** January 12, 2005, 09:10:52 pm »

Dizzy, are bases destroyable or what?

If you add MORE ftr/drone defense AGAIN.... you might as well make the bases non-destructable.

It takes mega cheese to kill them as it is.... and you want to make them tougher?

FPF-DieHard · « **Reply #11 on:** January 12, 2005, 09:21:36 pm »

Quote from: Dizzy on January 12, 2005, 08:49:13 pm

It's important I know which version base you are destroying. So far it seems bases need more ftr defense, ADD racks and PlaD, but I'm hoping I dont have to change them again. If they are too weak to defend vs cheese, then mb make the bases really cheap to buy...

Yeah, if you take multiple CVAs, the bases die. Seems right to me

Bases are set to be non-destructable for testing purposes.

Hexx · « **Reply #12 on:** January 12, 2005, 09:23:25 pm »

Bears got a point. If you're trying to make them destructable they should
be destructable at a certain level. If you plan on needing DN combos to kill them
just make them non destructable.

Dizzy · « **Reply #13 on:** January 12, 2005, 09:32:28 pm »

U probably cant bust a base with a single BBV. It takes 2x full CVA's or a good long range direct fire cruiser and a full CVA or a couple heavy Dreads. Have you seen the Stock Hydran SBFR? It has THIRTEEN PhG's! I cut it to 8 and added a few Ph1's. Otherwise Ftrs and Drones wouldnt have a chance. Have you seen the Stock G-SBFR? It has FORTY-EIGHT Tractors. Use direct fire weapons or nothing at all.

You have to overwhelm them all at once. They have only so much they can hit u with in one arc and during that time, you get one chance to drop two shields and that opens it up to being eventually destroyed.

If I add more ftr defense, or seriously lower their cost on the server, it will be because Ftrs get thru the Starbase defenses too easily. Try Co-Oping. They are not that hard.

Dizzy · « **Reply #14 on:** January 12, 2005, 09:33:41 pm »

Quote from: Hexx on January 12, 2005, 09:23:25 pm

If you plan on needing DN combos to kill them
just make them non destructable.

No. You should need on the lever of 2x Dreads to kill a SB. That or 3x CCH types.

Commander Maxillius · « **Reply #15 on:** January 12, 2005, 09:45:52 pm »

That base was pretty hardcore. I think it had something like 4 R plasma, 6 PPD's (on swivel mounts, damn base lol), an arseload of ph4's.... it absolutely shredded my shields once it got through my reinforcement.

but you definately need more than 8 proxie photons at range 20 to kill it. I don't know how you feds do it!!

EDIT: It was the I-SBR, and I was mistaken, it's got 8 PPD's

Hexx · « **Reply #16 on:** January 12, 2005, 09:56:42 pm »

Quote from: Dizzy on January 12, 2005, 09:33:41 pm

Quote from: Hexx on January 12, 2005, 09:23:25 pm
If you plan on needing DN combos to kill them
just make them non destructable.

No. You should need on the lever of 2x Dreads to kill a SB. That or 3x CCH types.

I understand wanting tough Starbases and I admit it's probably far more realistic.
My only concern(s) are that
1)- If you put a single human defender in a BCH or bigger with a SB you're going to need 3 Dreads to take it.
With the disengagement rule this would seem a pretty easy way to make sure your SB never falls.

2) While not trying to start a race comparison I think it's (in theory) far easier for ships armed with Photons & Hellbores
working together than for ships with Dizzies & ESG's.

Anyways ISC Battle(?)Station R (I think) fell easily to my solo STL in less than minutes
SAme STL then got shredded by ISC SB when I misjudged the myopic zone on the PPD.
(Thought it was 5

)

Dizzy · « **Reply #17 on:** January 12, 2005, 10:01:52 pm »

Chuut and I killed it with a CCY (early BC) and a CVS (8ftr CA). Took thirty mins and neither of us took much damage. We dispatched a Dread, a Carrier and a CL on the way in in addition to the bases 16 ftr compliment.

So, you were inside range 25? Hehe, the R's reach out to 24-25k. No wonder you got shredded. Dont let the R's touch you. And if you had 12 proxies, you'd likely take it, as in 3x NCL's. Or toss in a CV that has 4x Photons, a few scatter packs to soften up PD right before the Ftrs hit it... It'd have little chance.

Dizzy · « **Reply #18 on:** January 12, 2005, 10:10:03 pm »

Hexx, not every mission should you take down a SB. One in Three?

If a human Defender is in the mix, then you probably will not kill the base. That's the idea. You'd need a fleet. So bring 2 Dreads and a BC. StarBases are plenty and no one says you have to pick on the one being defended. Take another base or surround the one you're assaulting. Put the shoe on the other foot. You want your SB to get popped as a sure thing each and every time, or you want your $50k bases to stick around more than an hour? Think about that.

As for ESG+Dizzies, use ftrs and drones. Lyrs have always had problems with Planet assaults and bases. Always. Now you are merged in the klink list. So pick a klink carrier or drone boat to support a Lyr Carrier or whatnot. Get a Dread to help = no more base.

I do not like non-destructible bases. It is the same damned mission repeatedly till the base is taken. Same when it is fought over. I tire of that endlessly.

Capt_Bearslayer_XC · « **Reply #19 on:** January 12, 2005, 10:37:24 pm »

Please don't keep talking about 3 ship fleets taking on bases.

The mission scripts are not that stable.

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