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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2005, 03:46:22 pm »
The F-CS should be considered a specialty ship like a fast cruiser. 

When the D77 makes the list...sure... ::)

What's the D77?  What book?
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2005, 03:49:43 pm »
http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sft/sft40.htm

Sheesh, EVen I knew about this.

And you're supposed to be a SFB Aficionado.

Of course the CAC is kinda amusing as well.  ::)
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2005, 04:24:47 pm »
The F-CS should be considered a specialty ship like a fast cruiser. 


When the D77 makes the list...sure... ::)


Saw the SSD.   Please tell me you are joking   ;D

The F-CAC, OMG is this OTT!   

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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #23 on: January 01, 2005, 04:27:15 pm »
Saw the SSD.   Please tell me you are joking   ;D

T'is an old and silly joke, isn't it fellas?  ::)
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #24 on: January 01, 2005, 04:33:50 pm »
Having tried the Fed and Hydran DNM's so far, they are no better than the equivalent DNH's. The H-DNM loses 2 power to the Regent, and the F-DNM is basically a DNH which swaps a Ph-3 for a G-rack. Sounds good until you realize the thing has 7 G-racks and 6 drone control.  :screwloose:

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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2005, 04:38:53 pm »
The Lyran DNM is far inferior to the DNH (I think- again I know squat about DN's)
I really wish everyone would keep quiet about the drone control.
Was looking forward to Feds popping them on SGO.
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2005, 04:51:04 pm »
The F-CS should be considered a specialty ship like a fast cruiser. 


When the D77 makes the list...sure... ::)


Saw the SSD.   Please tell me you are joking   ;D

The F-CAC, OMG is this OTT!   

http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sft/images/R2_j5_cac.gif


Load up a D77 in ShipEdit...first thing you'll note is that she handles like a pig....all your dizzies are FA...and the thing is fighter bait on a plate....

Scary ship......yeah...sure ...on paper...;)

Although the CaC would be a wet dream escort....I still think it could fall prey to a concerted long range barrage....quite scary IMHO...

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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2005, 05:03:31 pm »
Actually I like the "scary weapons" article.
Although I'm sure the Gatling Hellbore isn't as scary as I'm thinking,
I'm betting it wouldn't be to pleasant.

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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2005, 06:01:47 pm »
Sounds good until you realize the thing has 7 G-racks and 6 drone control.  :screwloose:

Hehe, the C10K has 6 drone ctrl and 8 B-racks.

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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2005, 06:29:11 pm »
So what's the reason for having more drone racks than control allows for? ???
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« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2005, 06:35:03 pm »
Well it used to have 12. But the whole FS project is moving right along toward SFB town and leaving SFC behind altogether. Which is good and bad. This is a popular move for the Klingon playerbase, lol!

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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #31 on: January 01, 2005, 06:35:21 pm »
The F-CS should be considered a specialty ship like a fast cruiser. 


When the D77 makes the list...sure... ::)


Saw the SSD.   Please tell me you are joking   ;D

The F-CAC, OMG is this OTT!   

I can't read this very well. Is the CAC armed with 6 DTTY? What the heck is that?

http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sft/images/R2_j5_cac.gif

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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #32 on: January 01, 2005, 06:47:02 pm »
The CAC is armed with 16 PhG's and One drone rack.

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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #33 on: January 01, 2005, 07:04:13 pm »
Well it used to have 12. But the whole FS project is moving right along toward SFB town and leaving SFC behind altogether. Which is good and bad. This is a popular move for the Klingon playerbase, lol!

Since every server admin can adjust the shiplist to their own desires and needs, this really only affects GSA play.

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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #34 on: January 01, 2005, 07:04:30 pm »
16 PhG's under range 3 would do at least 192 points. That's good to give a DN a very bad day and anything else certain death. Scary ship. Should they be available as regular line ships on SG4?

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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #35 on: January 01, 2005, 07:39:13 pm »
Sounds good until you realize the thing has 7 G-racks and 6 drone control.  :screwloose:

Hehe, the C10K has 6 drone ctrl and 8 B-racks.
So what's the reason for having more drone racks than control allows for? ???
Well it used to have 12. But the whole FS project is moving right along toward SFB town and leaving SFC behind altogether. Which is good and bad. This is a popular move for the Klingon playerbase, lol!

As we all know, the drone control rating of a ship is equal (or double) to it's sensor rating, which on most  ships is 6.  I say most, as there are many ships that have sensor ratings other than six.  The C10 is a good example.  It's sensor rating is 8, which means it should have a drone control of 8, not 6.  The Fed DNH has a sensor rating of 10, thus should have a drone control of 10.  I think the confusion here has to do with how the sensor rating is shown on the SSD's.  Each box has a number, starting with 0 and ending with 6.  These numbers have to do with die rolls on a 1d6 (as your sensors take damage and boxes are checked off), not the sensor rating itself.  So, the question becomes, is there some limitation in the game that requires a drone control of 6 or 12?  I have not tested this myself.

Of course, I'm not up on the ins and outs of the SFB rule set concerning this, so I could be wrong.  Any old-time SFBers want to clear this up for me?
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #36 on: January 01, 2005, 08:00:07 pm »
Round it back up to 12 if you can't have 8 or 10. It's insufficent control for what the ship carries.
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #37 on: January 01, 2005, 09:00:45 pm »
Went and did some testing...drone control rating is NOT limited to 6 or 12.  I tried the F-DNH with 10 d.c. and the K-C10K with 8 d.c. and sure enough, could only control 10 and 8 drones, respectively.

And taking a look through the shiplist and a number of different ssd's...yup, there would be a lot of changes to the drone races' drone control ability.  Personally, I think this needs discussion.

EDIT:  Ok, I've been corrected in some MSN discussions on this, I guess the drone control always starts as 6 (or 12).
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #38 on: January 01, 2005, 09:47:25 pm »
I really don't see any need for drone control to be upped.
Personally I think it will make us all better players if we leave the control rating low.
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #39 on: January 01, 2005, 09:58:36 pm »
IIRC...the Taldren standard was "any ship having 4 or more racks" was supposed to have 12 control...take it for what it is...