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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #40 on: January 01, 2005, 10:10:55 pm »
Quote from: FPF-Wanderer on January 01, 2005, 07:39:13 pm
Quote from: Dizzy on January 01, 2005, 06:01:47 pm
Quote from: 762_XC on January 01, 2005, 04:33:50 pm
Sounds good until you realize the thing has 7 G-racks and 6 drone control.  :screwloose:

Hehe, the C10K has 6 drone ctrl and 8 B-racks.
Quote from: FPF-TobinDax on January 01, 2005, 06:29:11 pm
So what's the reason for having more drone racks than control allows for? ???
Quote from: Dizzy on January 01, 2005, 06:35:03 pm
Well it used to have 12. But the whole FS project is moving right along toward SFB town and leaving SFC behind altogether. Which is good and bad. This is a popular move for the Klingon playerbase, lol!

As we all know, the drone control rating of a ship is equal (or double) to it's sensor rating, which on most  ships is 6.  I say most, as there are many ships that have sensor ratings other than six.  The C10 is a good example.  It's sensor rating is 8, which means it should have a drone control of 8, not 6.  The Fed DNH has a sensor rating of 10, thus should have a drone control of 10.  I think the confusion here has to do with how the sensor rating is shown on the SSD's.  Each box has a number, starting with 0 and ending with 6.  These numbers have to do with die rolls on a 1d6 (as your sensors take damage and boxes are checked off), not the sensor rating itself.  So, the question becomes, is there some limitation in the game that requires a drone control of 6 or 12?  I have not tested this myself.

Of course, I'm not up on the ins and outs of the SFB rule set concerning this, so I could be wrong.  Any old-time SFBers want to clear this up for me?

Wanderer is right, the drone control should be equal to the sensor rating.  I missed this to.   

Um, Dizzy?  weesa gonna have a busy day tommorow. ;D

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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #41 on: January 01, 2005, 10:31:24 pm »
Don't worry about it, DH.  After some discussion (and me finally tracking down the rules in the Basic book), it would seem that the drone control/sensor rating is almost always 6, the number of sensor boxes on the ssd is for damage allocation (hull boxes I guess).

Although, changing the drone control ratings to equal the number of sensor boxes (but of course keeping the double rating were applicable) would lower the control on many drone carrying ships, giving a little more parity (slight, but there) to the plasma races in mission times...but that's not a flame war I'm willing to start, lol.
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #42 on: January 01, 2005, 10:38:10 pm »
Some confusion arises upon examination of the shiplist proper. The "Sensor" column is actually equal to the number of boxes on the sensor track, not the undamaged sensor rating, which is almost always 6.
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #43 on: January 01, 2005, 11:05:11 pm »
Quote from: KBF-Crim on January 01, 2005, 03:26:36 pm
Quote from: FPF-DieHard on January 01, 2005, 02:06:39 pm
The F-CS should be considered a specialty ship like a fast cruiser.

When the D77 makes the list...sure... ::)
You got the K- D7CR  and  what a ship that is.
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #44 on: January 02, 2005, 02:29:29 am »
It's 3 AM, I'm, drunk and doing sorts in Excel . . . .

And I really need to STFU right now  ;D

EDIT:   Read the rule moron before posting (to self)
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #45 on: January 02, 2005, 02:45:36 am »
lol
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #46 on: January 02, 2005, 01:56:36 pm »
Quote from: KBF-Crim on January 01, 2005, 09:58:36 pm
IIRC...the Taldren standard was "any ship having 4 or more racks" was supposed to have 12 control...take it for what it is...

The Taldren Z-CD has 6 racks and has always had 6 drone control.  Same for the Taldren Z-DF and many others.  K-E4D has 4 racks, but only 6 control.
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #47 on: January 02, 2005, 03:15:43 pm »
And an E4D is a frig....apples and cherries...

The C7 and C7V have four racks....and 12 drone control

The D5E ,AD5, AD6, D5D, D6D all have 12....

Even the F5D has 12 control....

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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #48 on: January 02, 2005, 03:22:50 pm »
oh yeah BTW...while the Z-CD does indeed only have 6....Taldrens DF does have 12 control ....

also ...if we go by the proposed changes and apply them without regard to who's ships they are...ships like the Z-CCH would drop from 12 to 6 also...

So dropping an 8 rack ship from 12 to 6 control based on sensor rating of 8.... should  be simularly applied across the board to all ships....or not at all...
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #49 on: January 02, 2005, 03:27:12 pm »
F-BCG has 4 racks and 6 drone control.

Just adding fuel for the fire. ;)
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #50 on: January 02, 2005, 03:35:42 pm »
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #51 on: January 02, 2005, 03:54:12 pm »
The F-DE also has 4 racks...and 12 drone control...and a sensor count of 6...

Yes..the F-BCE has an 8 rating...but not the BCG..it only has 6...

While the BCV has a 6 rating...and 12 control....

Not trying to start any arguements...just not seeing as where this logic is evenly applied elsewhere in the shiplist... :-\

Keep in mind I'm not an SFB guru either....maybe I'm missing something?...special sensors?

I'd like this on the fix list ...IMHO...it should actually be 8 like it's supposed to be..but will take a client side fix......oh yeah...and have the abilty to lend channels like in SFB ;)
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #52 on: January 02, 2005, 04:15:20 pm »
Ummm, did anyone read that I was mistaken?  :P
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #53 on: January 02, 2005, 04:29:17 pm »
Yes, you were were heard. sg4 will remain as we have been accustomed. 6 or 12 drone control.
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #54 on: January 02, 2005, 04:35:45 pm »
Quote from: KBF-Crim on January 02, 2005, 03:15:43 pm
And an E4D is a frig....apples and cherries...

The C7 and C7V have four racks....and 12 drone control

The D5E ,AD5, AD6, D5D, D6D all have 12....

Even the F5D has 12 control....



F-BCG and F-DNG = 4 racks = 6 Drone Control

Klingon C8 = 6 Racks = 6 Drone Control

Where did you get the idea that all ships with 4 racks + had 12 control?   It simply is not true.
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #55 on: January 02, 2005, 04:41:54 pm »
F-BCG has 6 DC yet the F-BCV has 12...
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #56 on: January 02, 2005, 04:50:51 pm »
Quote from: Bearslayer on January 02, 2005, 04:41:54 pm
F-BCG has 6 DC yet the F-BCV has 12...

Carriers all have double control.
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #57 on: January 02, 2005, 05:12:39 pm »
Quote from: FPF-Wanderer on January 01, 2005, 09:00:45 pm
Went and did some testing...drone control rating is NOT limited to 6 or 12.  I tried the F-DNH with 10 d.c. and the K-C10K with 8 d.c. and sure enough, could only control 10 and 8 drones, respectively.

And taking a look through the shiplist and a number of different ssd's...yup, there would be a lot of changes to the drone races' drone control ability.  Personally, I think this needs discussion.

EDIT:  Ok, I've been corrected in some MSN discussions on this, I guess the drone control always starts as 6 (or 12).

It is not limited to 6 or 12.  Bonk's server works fine with various drone control numbers and I'm all for it as it might help reduce the problem of mission time disparities to some degree. 
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #58 on: January 02, 2005, 05:32:22 pm »
Quote from: KBF-Crim on January 02, 2005, 03:15:43 pm
And an E4D is a frig....apples and cherries...


Re-read your post Crim ... you said 4 racks = 12 drone control.  You didn't note any caveats. 

And yes, the z-df does have 12.
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #59 on: January 02, 2005, 05:34:30 pm »
Hey anyone see the plasma races X-H-AC's?

Have fun getting a drone in on them, no matter what your DC is.... ;D
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