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1/4 mile wide Asteroid may hit earth in 2029
« on: December 24, 2004, 12:58:57 pm »
Asteroid Has Outside Chance of Hitting Earth in 2029
By Robert Roy Britt
Senior Science Writer
posted: 24 December 2004
09:58 am ET


http://space.com/scienceastronomy/asteroid_risk_041224.html

Scientists said Thursday that a recently discovered asteroid has a chance of hitting Earth in the year 2029, but that further observations would likely rule out the impact scenario.

The asteroid is named 2004 MN4. It was discovered in June and spotted again this month. It is about a quarter mile (400 meters) wide.

That's bigger than the space rock that carved meteor crater in Arizona, and bigger than one that exploded in the air above Siberia in 1908, flattening thousands of square miles of forest. If an asteroid the size of 2004 MN4 hit the Earth, it would do considerable localized damage.

Scientists stressed, however, that the rock would likely miss the planet.

A statement was released by NASA asteroid experts Don Yeomans, Steve Chesley and Paul Chodas.

"The odds of impact, presently around 1 in 300, are unusual enough to merit special monitoring by astronomers, but should not be of public concern," the scientists said. "These odds are likely to change on a day-to-day basis as new data are received. In all likelihood, the possibility of impact will eventually be eliminated as the asteroid continues to be tracked by astronomers around the world."

The scientists project an asteroid's future travels based on observations of its current orbit around the Sun. On computer models, the future orbits are not lines but rather windows of possibility. The orbit projections for 2004 MN4 on April 13, 2029 cover a wide swath of space that includes the location where Earth will be. Additional observations will allow refined orbit forecasts -- more like a line instead of a window.

The asteroid will be easily observable in coming months, so scientists expect to figure out its path. Already late Thursday, the risk assessment was shrinking slightly, according to the Asteroid/Comet Connection, a web site that monitors space rock hazards.

Most asteroids circle the Sun in a belt between Mars and Jupiter. But some get gravitationally booted toward the inner solar system.

The 323-day orbit of 2004 MN4 lies mostly within the orbit of Earth. The asteroid approaches the Sun almost as close as the orbit of Venus. It crosses near the Earth's orbit twice on each of its passages about the Sun.

2004 MN4 was discovered on June 19 by Roy Tucker, David Tholen and Fabrizio Bernardi of the NASA-funded University of Hawaii Asteroid Survey. It was rediscovered on Dec. 18 from Australia by Gordon Garradd of the Siding Spring Survey. More than three dozen observations have been made, with more expected to roll in from other observatories this week.

Earlier this week, scientists announced that a small space rock had zoomed past Earth closer than the orbits of some satellites.

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Re: 1/4 mile wide Asteroid may hit earth in 2029
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2004, 01:35:05 pm »
Maybe we will get lucky and it will slam into Mexico?  ;D

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Re: 1/4 mile wide Asteroid may hit earth in 2029
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2004, 01:48:25 pm »
I'll be 74...who cares?

If we can't figure out how to stop it by then......................

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Re: 1/4 mile wide Asteroid may hit earth in 2029
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2004, 09:22:14 pm »
Funny Mike, I told Storm the same thing! I'll probably be dead! He retorted with medical advances, and my reply? "Do I really want more time here on this merry go round?" NOT!  ;D

God is kind and good, but I think he was on vacation when it came to our biological functions and timeclocks, I'd rather have started out as an older person and grown younger!  :D

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Re: 1/4 mile wide Asteroid may hit earth in 2029
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2004, 10:17:55 pm »
Regardless of how old I will be when it could hit I care.  I care because people I care about will be relatively young and raising families.   Just one of the reasons I want space based industry to get off the ground (literally) as it should have in the 80's and 90's.

God is kind and good, but I think he was on vacation when it came to our biological functions and timeclocks, I'd rather have started out as an older person and grown younger!  :D

You want to be Mork from Ork?  (Granted living with Mindy would be nice.)

Consider the platypus:  Mammalian hair.  Warm blooded.  Secretes something very like milk to feed its young (but not quite milk) like a mammal.  A beaver tail and webbed feet.  A ducks bill and lays eggs.  It also has a reptilian skeleton.  The choromsomes and sperm have both mammalian and reptilian traits.  Males have poison spur on the hind leg and poison glands in the thigh.  The venom causes intense pain - but includes a "natural" painkiller.  The also have an electrical sense organ in the bill.

So if a God created the platypus he has a weird sense of humour or does serious drugs.  Perhaps it was subcontracted to Loki.
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Re: 1/4 mile wide Asteroid may hit earth in 2029
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2004, 01:56:15 am »
Regardless of how old I will be when it could hit I care.  I care because people I care about will be relatively young and raising families.   Just one of the reasons I want space based industry to get off the ground (literally) as it should have in the 80's and 90's.
wont go there.  :rofl: :rofl: :lol: :lol:

God is kind and good, but I think he was on vacation when it came to our biological functions and timeclocks, I'd rather have started out as an older person and grown younger!  :D
i dont take vacations

You want to be Mork from Ork?  (Granted living with Mindy would be nice.)
oh yeah

Consider the platypus:  Mammalian hair.  Warm blooded.  Secretes something very like milk to feed its young (but not quite milk) like a mammal.  A beaver tail and webbed feet.  A ducks bill and lays eggs.  It also has a reptilian skeleton.  The choromsomes and sperm have both mammalian and reptilian traits.  Males have poison spur on the hind leg and poison glands in the thigh.  The venom causes intense pain - but includes a "natural" painkiller.  The also have an electrical sense organ in the bill.
it was on a bet

So if a God created the platypus he has a weird sense of humour or does serious drugs.  Perhaps it was subcontracted to Loki.
its all baseless lies i have no sense of humor or do drugs. and i wouldnt trust loki to flush the toilet


oh yeah

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Re: 1/4 mile wide Asteroid may hit earth in 2029
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2004, 11:26:57 am »
Thanks for the info Nem, I never realized that ducks were like that.  :)

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Re: 1/4 mile wide Asteroid may hit earth in 2029
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2004, 06:06:38 pm »
Not good. the odds dropped from one in 300 to 1 in 266. Then someone said as low as 1 in 60.

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Re: 1/4 mile wide Asteroid may hit earth in 2029
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2004, 06:25:20 pm »
A post by Wally on another site: 

(Ref this earlier post.) Once again, something's wrong when I'm getting this from Glenn instead of him getting it from me. One more lesson in humility. ;^)

I will nonetheless attempt to add value for my readers. Turning to the 2004 MN4 Impact Risk page, we find that the asteroid's diameter is now thought to be 440 meters and its mass 1.2 × 1011 kilograms. Assuming a sphere and applying V = 4πr³/3, we find bulk density r = 0.37 g cm-3, well under half that of water ice, suggesting that either 2004 MN4 is far from spherical or that its composition is quite fluffy, like dry snow, implying that an airburst is likely.

In any case, the projected energy of impact is 2,200 megatons. Now we turn to one of the earliest posts on Arcturus, Thinking About the Unthinkable, where I used some handy equations from Arsenal to find that the 5-psi overpressure radius (which may be regarded for the purposes of this discussion as the Bad Day radius) for a 10-kiloton explosion is just over 900 meters. These things scale inversely as the cube of yield, so ³√(2,200/0.01) × 0.9 km = 54 kilometers or thereabouts. The area thus affected, A = πr², is over 9,000 km², which at the average population density in the US of about 31 per km² (derived from this source) would contain about 280,000 people.

At the average population density of India -- which as I explained in my earlier post, is quite a bit nearer the probable impact site -- however, this works out to nearly 2.5 million people. Yikes.

Well, it's still overwhelmingly likely to miss us. Suppose it came pretty close, though; what would it look like? Glad you asked. NEODys has it at visual magnitude +17.8 and distance 0.099 AU. At lunar distance, 0.0026 AU, it would therefore be approximately (0.099/0.0026)² = 1,400 times brighter, or magnitude +9.9, making it a binocular object; and were it to pass us at a distance of one Earth diameter (0.000085 AU) above the closest point on Earth's surface, it would shine at magnitude +2.4, as bright as the stars in the Big Dipper. Its angular motion across the sky would be around 3° per minute at closest approach, perceptible to the unaided eye.

The real story here, though, is how this will play in the media. This is just about the slowest possible news day, and a Google News search on "2004 MN4" already gets 94 hits, including this piece on the USAToday site, a Robert Roy Britt article originally appearing on Space.com.

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Re: 1/4 mile wide Asteroid may hit earth in 2029
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2004, 09:07:34 pm »
odds now 1 in 45.

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« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2004, 03:01:56 am »
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Update, Dec. 25, 9:47 p.m. ET: The risk of an impact by asteroid 2004 MN4 went up slightly on Saturday, Dec. 25. It is now pegged at having a 1-in -45 chance of striking the planet on April 13, 2029. That's up from 1-in-63 late on Dec. 24, and 1-in-300 early on Dec. 24.

Astronomers still stress that it is very likely the risk will be reduced to zero with further observations. And even as it stands with present knowledge, the chances are 97.8 percent the rock will miss Earth.

If the chance is 1-45 of a hit how can it also be 97.8 percent for a miss?  I'm no mathematician but I'm confused.

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Re: 1/4 mile wide Asteroid may hit earth in 2029
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2004, 07:10:12 am »
Answer..

(1/45)*100= 2.222222%

subtract from 100 and you get (about) 97.8

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Re: 1/4 mile wide Asteroid may hit earth in 2029
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2004, 09:13:07 am »
Ummm....paper beats rock right? All we need is a really big piece of paper!

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« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2004, 03:10:37 pm »
Actually, the odds of an impact are increasing rather than decreasing.  It's now 1 in 37.

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/ip?2.7e-02

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Re: 1/4 mile wide Asteroid may hit earth in 2029
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2004, 10:00:16 am »
pouring through past observations, astronomers have refined the calculations on the path of the asteroid. Without these data the odds of an impact had reached as high as 1 in 37 yesterday. However, now with the combined observations the path has been defined with better precision and the asteroid will miss the earth. (whew!)

http://space.com/scienceastronomy/asteroid_update_B_041227.html