Topic: Just curious, How many people like OOB?

[FPF-Bach]

. . . you need to be careful you dont piss people off.

 

<snicker>

You 2 can laugh all ya want now, but the phrase "if you build it, they will come" isn't going to apply forever.

I can see Eve on the horizon seeming like a better and better...alternative for alot of players.  Just look at how many we've already lost to it.

[FPF-Bach]

PS Kroma get on over to the PBR forum and schedule the FPF vs GDA match please.

[Kroma BaSyl]

. . . you need to be careful you dont piss people off.

 

<snicker>

You 2 can laugh all ya want now, but the phrase "if you build it, they will come" isn't going to apply forever.

It doesn't apply now. Just look at all the unrestricted servers in your campaign selector. You are implying that if the servers were run with your preferred settings there would be more people or that it would stem the flow, I believe this is incorrect. You also imply some aggagance on our part where none exists. If you know a better way to run it then do so. It is a free market dynaverse, let the best ideas florish.

BTW, the snicker was in regard to the fact that it is impossible to run any server without pissing someone off.

[Kroma BaSyl]

PS Kroma get on over to the PBR forum and schedule the FPF vs GDA match please.

I am still waiting to hear from my guys, seem most are away for Xmas. Sunday ain't looking good right now, but I will keep trying.

[FPF-Bach]

PS Kroma get on over to the PBR forum and schedule the FPF vs GDA match please.

I am still waiting to hear from my guys, seem most are away for Xmas. Sunday ain't looking good right now, but I will keep trying.

That is fine if you can't do it, was just looking for some kind of acknowledgement that you saw the message.

[FPF-DieHard]

PS Kroma get on over to the PBR forum and schedule the FPF vs GDA match please.

I am still waiting to hear from my guys, seem most are away for Xmas. Sunday ain't looking good right now, but I will keep trying.

Let me know soon, I have whoring to schedule.

[FPF-DieHard]

It doesn't apply now. Just look at all the unrestricted servers in your campaign selector. You are implying that if the servers were run with your preferred settings there would be more people or that it would stem the flow, I believe this is incorrect. You also imply some aggagance on our part where none exists. If you know a better way to run it then do so. It is a free market dynaverse, let the best ideas florish.

BTW, the snicker was in regard to the fact that it is impossible to run any server without pissing someone off.

The point is us OOB people like OOB but we aren't saying that this is how all servers should be.   I think variety is good, not all servers should have restrictions.   

Just happnes that Kroma, J'inn, and myself happen to be running GW which is the only thing going on right now and all 3 of us like OOB.   

Other people can run servers anyway they like, like Kroma says, it is a free-market Dynaverse.   Last open server I played on (LB5) sucked so bad it was disgusting, just my preference. 

You can always nag Dizzy to make SGO4 an open server 

[Green]

PS Kroma get on over to the PBR forum and schedule the FPF vs GDA match please.

I am still waiting to hear from my guys, seem most are away for Xmas. Sunday ain't looking good right now, but I will keep trying.

That is fine if you can't do it, was just looking for some kind of acknowledgement that you say the message.

I've heard Kroma not being able to "do it" is pretty common Bach.  Though he does keep trying ... his attempts have been flacid.  If FPF would still like a match this Sunday, give a yell and we'll try to get 3 for the match.

[FPF-Bach]

I've heard Kroma not being able to "do it" is pretty common Bach.  Though he does keep trying ... his attempts have been flacid.  If FPF would still like a match this Sunday, give a yell and we'll try to get 3 for the match.

I'll post over in the PBR forum so as not to get to much more off topic here.

[FPF-Bach]

It doesn't apply now. Just look at all the unrestricted servers in your campaign selector. You are implying that if the servers were run with your preferred settings there would be more people or that it would stem the flow, I believe this is incorrect. You also imply some aggagance on our part where none exists. If you know a better way to run it then do so. It is a free market dynaverse, let the best ideas florish.

BTW, the snicker was in regard to the fact that it is impossible to run any server without pissing someone off.

I am well aware that it certainly is impossible to run a prefect serve and not piss some people off no matter what you try to do that is a given. 

I disagree and believe that is does apply now though.  It applies to all of the SERIOUS servers that are promoted in advance by the admins running them.  I certainly wouldn't say that it applies the "unrestricted" servers you mention that are running, alot of the players are barely aware of these if at all.  With that in mind I'm implying anything beneath what I'm saying only what I'm saying directly please do not presume to know what someones implications are as there is no way for you to KNOW exactly what someone may or may not be implying.  I did however BASICALLY state that our playerbase is still declining and it will continue to do so especially if we continue to alienate players ideas and opinions by rolling on the floor laughing or snickering at them.  The point here is that a serious server that is actively being promoted and an "unrestricted" server that is just up and running aren't the same things in concept.

As far as this being a free dynaverse market, agreed that it is, however as far as running my own server, MAYBE someday I will but, it won't be today and it won't be tommrow.  In the meantime though I will certainly voice any opinion I have on this subject or any other regardless of the status of whether I've run my own server or not.

PS Neither the spell checker, the dictionary nor I know what aggogance means.  I can only infer its meaning.

[FPF-DieHard]

They game is old, the player-base will delcine no matter what and even if we could get 100 people on a server with a cheesefest, i'd be bored of it and not likely play.

The GW like OOB system with a more fluid transfer method should aloow everyone to fly something cool, not lock you into the boring routine of flying the same ship for 3 straight weeks, and keep the cheese at an acceptable balance level.

[Kroma BaSyl]

I am well aware that it certainly is impossible to run a prefect serve and not piss some people off no matter what you try to do that is a given. 

I am sure you are, but you seem to be unaware of the fact that DH and I were laughing at the fact that Grims post seemed to indicate that he is not. Instead you read it as general condemnation of new ideas.

I disagree and believe that is does apply now though.  It applies to all of the SERIOUS servers that are promoted in advance by the admins running them.  I certainly wouldn't say that it applies the "unrestricted" servers you mention that are running, alot of the players are barely aware of these if at all.  With that in mind I'm implying anything beneath what I'm saying only what I'm saying directly please do not presume to know what someones implications are as there is no way for you to KNOW exactly what someone may or may not be implying.  I did however BASICALLY state that our playerbase is still declining and it will continue to do so especially if we continue to alienate players ideas and opinions by rolling on the floor laughing or snickering at them.  The point here is that a serious server that is actively being promoted and an "unrestricted" server that is just up and running aren't the same things in concept.

That ain't my problem, I like a certian type of server, and am only willing to invest my time and effort in ones that are to my liking. Others are free to expend effort investing in server that are to their liking. I believe that those that promt servers more want people to play on them more than others, thus they spend the extra effort. They will do what they feel will draw more players. Right now that seems to be OOB servers. Someone please but up a less restrictive server and promt it and we will see.

[Hexx]

Let's get back on topic here... am I to understand that I was FINALLY going to gte to
fly a Lyran BCV with FIGHTERS and now I'm not???


Bastards..

[Grim]

I am aware that its near impossible to find a perfect server, each persons tastes are different etc and i understand that.

I was just pointing out with my comments about the mentality of making radical changes etc without at times consulting the playerbase for their opinions. I know that some server admins feel its their server and they shall run it as it sees fit

This is highlighted by a recent quote from a server admin "Wrong, I'll do whatever the heck I think is best, this is not a Democracy. I'm not looking for public input at this time nor do I think I'm ever going to be looking for it. "

Directed to the person who made the quote above- Fine i understand and accept that point of view you run the server as you see fit, fair enough.

However surely its more beneficial for the community at large to be consulted over changes in terms of restrictions etc, this goes back to my comment of potentially pissing off people. Surely you want players to play your dynas? sure they can choose not too and fair enough its their decision but surely the admins want to see a high number/ competitive server as it should make the admin feel good that the campaign they have created is universally approved and liked this in my view should be the admins aim to get people to like the server concept. This also ties in with complaints of balance in terms of numbers, if one race feels that their selection of ships or whatever is ruined by the admins choice to nerf or remove then this will cause all sorts of problems and complaints about balance of numbers.

And i'll also repeat what i said about Cheese perception may differ from person to person or race to race and needs to be considered,

In terms of declining of numbers i have spoken to various former d2 players who have either left the game or gone purely to gsa play and a large proportiton of them agreed that there is too much rules and regulations nowaydays and even arguments produced by OOB and other shiplist related issues between certain races have made them leave the game. This is not purely the only reason why they have left as DH rightly said the game is ageing, but it is a significant reason nonetheless.

My final comment  is this, all i want to see a variety of different servers all offering different things so there is plenty of choice to the players on what they choose to fly or not. I onlly voiced my concerns over OOB etc as from the comments i had seen over the past few dynas it seemed to me that dynas were all heading the same way in temrs of strict OOB and that OOB to an extent in my opinion was starting to go too far.

[Hexx]

IIn terms of declining of numbers i have spoken to various former d2 players who have either left the game or gone purely to gsa play and a large proportiton of them agreed that there is too much rules and regulations nowaydays and even arguments produced by OOB and other shiplist related issues between certain races have made them leave the game. This is not purely the only reason why they have left as DH rightly said the game is ageing, but it is a significant reason nonetheless.

And before that we all heard from numbers of players (and techically larger numbers at the time) who quit because of the
-lack of regulations,- multiple BB fleets, BCHfests, PhG's
G racks, lack of being able to compete with someone who built up prestige and could afford multiple DN's/BB's/CVA's, the lack of fighter CnC (reCavIII's,)
 the lack of restricitons on Escorts and droners, the mission time disparity between droners and races without drones, multiple ship fleets that
work exceptionally well for some races (Droners) and poorly for others (Lyrans, Roms)

Really I have no issue with people saying they like/hate/wnat to change OOB stuff.
Personally I like it -but I'm not really interested in flying DN's so I'm not the best person to comment because I don't care
if I'm assigned one or not.
What I don't like is this" I've talked to players and they left because of OOB.."

No F*cking kidding.
(and it's not a shot at Chuut or Grim there buds, others have said it and I hate it as much)


PLayers have left for that reason, as well as the lack of OOB reason, they've left cuz the game is old, they've left
cuz they feel like playing something else. If you want to argue for OOb or non OOB fine, just don't bring that stupid "players left because of xxx"
stuff into it.
Goes both ways.

As has been said- if you've got some good ideas throw them out, I'm trying to set up a couple of servers and have
absolutley no qualms about stealing ideas that I think will work and using them for my own.

[Grim]

I'd like to clarify i was talking about players recently who have suddenly disapeared from the game over the past few dynas, i'm well aware people left for other reasons as you mentioned prior to this.

[Kroma BaSyl]

I am aware that its near impossible to find a perfect server, each persons tastes are different etc and i understand that.

I was just pointing out with my comments about the mentality of making radical changes etc without at times consulting the playerbase for their opinions.

What mentality? The player base pursecution is just in your head. Players opinions do matter, just because the admins of one server series disagree with your particular opinions doesn't prove that those admins aren't doing what they believe they and the other players want.

I know that some server admins feel its their server and they shall run it as it sees fit

This is highlighted by a recent quote from a server admin "Wrong, I'll do whatever the heck I think is best, this is not a Democracy. I'm not looking for public input at this time nor do I think I'm ever going to be looking for it. "

And they are absolutely correct. They aren't running a public trust, they are spending their free hours creating a campaign that they want to enjoy flying. If their idea of fun doesn't appeal to others then they will be playing alone.

Directed to the person who made the quote above- Fine i understand and accept that point of view you run the server as you see fit, fair enough.

However surely its more beneficial for the community at large to be consulted over changes in terms of restrictions etc, this goes back to my comment of potentially pissing off people.

No it is more beneficial to the community to have more servers. Nothing will ever be done successfully by committee, that has been proven repeatably. If you want to organize a communittee poll governed server I encourage you to try it. There is absolutely no way to do it without pissing people off. Better to just make your own decision and stick it out there and see what happens.

Surely you want players to play your dynas?

I do, and they are.

sure they can choose not too and fair enough its their decision but surely the admins want to see a high number/ competitive server as it should make the admin feel good that the campaign they have created is universally approved and liked this in my view should be the admins aim to get people to like the server concept.

No I don't do it for the glory of high player counts or peer approval. I invest my time in a server because I think it will be a fun diversion of my time. I just don't think your idea of fun is fun, thus I will not invest my efort there. If you come up with a good idea that sounds like fun I am all ears. I just haven't heard any here yet. If you have then dammit organize the community and run a server.

And i'll also repeat what i said about Cheese perception may differ from person to person or race to race and needs to be considered,

You haven't shown that it wasn't. You will never get everyone to agree so at some point the admin has to use his best judgement and just go with it.

In terms of declining of numbers i have spoken to various former d2 players who have either left the game or gone purely to gsa play and a large proportiton of them agreed that there is too much rules and regulations nowaydays and even arguments produced by OOB and other shiplist related issues between certain races have made them leave the game. This is not purely the only reason why they have left as DH rightly said the game is ageing, but it is a significant reason nonetheless.

I disagree, I have spoken to more players that woldn't be around if the cheese wars had continued unabated.

My final comment  is this, all i want to see a variety of different servers all offering different things so there is plenty of choice to the players on what they choose to fly or not. I onlly voiced my concerns over OOB etc as from the comments i had seen over the past few dynas it seemed to me that dynas were all heading the same way in temrs of strict OOB and that OOB to an extent in my opinion was starting to go too far.

You all make the wild assumption that there is some sort of secrete conspiracy to make the servers that way, or that the "serious" or "promoted" ones are. "Promoted" what a joke. I believe Jinn made the same number of promotion posts as every other server recently run, which is to say 1. Or did I miss his Super Bowl spot? Server with merit get the attention due to people being interested in them, and those have tended to be OOB servers of late, so you do the math.

Or if you disagree with my opinion run one and see.

[el-Karnak]

, I'd love to strip down the BCVs of all races or just get rid of them as I think a BCV should not be a BCH plus fighters, but rather a ship that with fighters was roughly equal to a BCH. 

It's called a strike carrier.   Just elimated BCVs from the list, issue solved.

or make them cost more.

No, that's idiotic cuz you just said that pricing does not inhibit cheese.

Cost more BPs silly.

Dash ezactly right!! Hick!!  BPs equal PP that you can spend in the shipyard for those mucho expensive cheese ships that nutters can still get on their own if they play hard enough.

Gossssh Durn it!! Hick!! This Gorn Tequila is rancid!!

Great stuff!! Gimme some more!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS. I was being facetious about taking out BCVs to prove a point. Leave all the ships in so everyone is happy.

[Grim]

And they are absolutely correct. They aren't running a public trust, they are spending their free hours creating a campaign that they want to enjoy flying. If their idea of fun doesn't appeal to others then they will be playing alone.

I find that comment disturbing, so you are saying that the players opinion doesnt matter? 

In terms of who plays thats utter BS, admins may say that they dont care about player numbers, what a crock of s**t, admins of course want to see players flooding their servers as it shows their effort that they put in is worthwhile and its not just them that like the server concept. If i ran a server spent ages developing on it and noone turned up i would be demorialised, perhaps its just personal opinion but surely i wouldnt be the only one who had that opinion if the same circumstances applied.

[el-Karnak]

. . . you need to be careful you dont piss people off.

 

<snicker>

You 2 can laugh all ya want now, but the phrase "if you build it, they will come" isn't going to apply forever.

I can see Eve on the horizon seeming like a better and better...alternative for alot of players.  Just look at how many we've already lost to it.

That's pretty much the wave of future these pay-for-play online games. SWG is doing so well that LucasArts and SOE just announced they are adding 20 to their game development staff to keep up with all the on-going game enhancements and maintenance fixes. It gives the user a sense that the game will continually evolve with no end in sight.  EVE Online, I'm sure, is doing the same. But, it aint cheap. Personally, LucasArts has taken way more from my bank account than I will ever spend on SFC, unless I count in the man-hours costs for all the mission scripting I did:  SWG game $30, JTL Expansion add-on $20, one month subscription $15, six months subscription $77 for a current grand total of: $142. That should keep me until 04/2005. 

I really need to work for SOE and get stock options.

It's all a matter of what you think is worth your $$$. BTW, what the *#(# I am doing posting here when I should be playing SWG. All posting is getting expensive in terms of lost SWG playing time.