Topic: Just curious, How many people like OOB?

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Just curious, How many people like OOB?

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

I voted for like the idea but would like it done differently.

I would prefer a limit of the number of capital ships online at a given time, but no restriction as to who was allowed to fly it. 

For example:  Only 3 DNs allowed online per side at a given time.  If you log on and want on and less than 3 are flying them at present you can buy one.  If you have one and log on and 3 are already on the board, someone will have to trade theirs in.  This way everyone has a chance to fly one, and no side is deprived of the opportunity to have them on the map merely because the assigned player isn't available.

[762_XC]

Well there are many types of OOB - full OOB a la LB4, or even dreads only a la SS2 could be considered OOB.

I like variety myself, from server to server.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Well there are many types of OOB - full OOB a la LB4, or even dreads only a la SS2 could be considered OOB.

I like variety myself, from server to server.

I agree there 762 I like the variety, but we have seen alot of strict OOB lately and I've heard at least 5 active players getting tired of it the way its been done, and I know of several more who have lost interest in the game due to it, whether it be they want to fly bigger ships sometimes but are casual players, or that they want to fly restricted ships, or they just plain don't like being told what they can and can't fly.

Like I voted, I do like the OOB concept, just prefer a less ridgid structure to it.  Its also why I rarely make a request for an OOB ship, even though I might be better "qualified" to have one (nutter hours ), because I would be denying someone else the opportunity.  Be nice to be able to fly one when needed online though, but I wont intrude on someone else's chance to have fun regardless of any strategic considerations.

[IAF Lyrkiller]

I am w/ chuut on this, and who btw voted for OOB w/o stating why they liked it?

[FPF-Wanderer]

Well, pretty much everyone knows how I feel about OOB, heheh, but I voted "Prefer it but it isn't perfect" instead of "I love it" since, IMO, it won't be perfect until we have SQL and a web-based shipyard based on the SFB/F&E Order of Battle.  But that's just me. 

Lyr, that was me that voted for OOB w/o stating why I like it, since I'm in the middle of writing why, heheh.

Chuut, I wonder about those active players you mentioned getting tired of the way it's been done, and the others that have lost interest.  What exactly are their objections?  Even as casual players they have had a chance to fly an OOB ship, all they had to do was ask.  Heck, there have been times when we had a hard time filling out the list of available ships!  And as to "just plain don't like being told what they can and can't fly", I suppose I can understand where they are coming from, but do those players really want to go back to the days of DN/BCH fests?  I know I don't, there isn't any "realism" to it, and it forces those who prefer smaller ships to get into bigger ships just to be able to compete.

Yes, it's true that we have lost a lot of players due to the OOB rules, but to be perfectly honest, I feel those players were unwilling to compromise in order to make a better game for everyone, and that's too bad. 

[Grim]

I like variety myself, from server to server.

Ditto.

Though i was opposed to the whole idea of putting more OOB, rules and restrictions into lower ships i see OOB fine for DN's and BCH's apart from that annything lower and i'm not a fan of the idea. In fact i was worried the way OOB was going becomming more strict etc that it would start to advance down to the lower ships.

In terms of a fun aspect i have to say i had more fun in terms of gameplay with less OOB, years ago when i could log on to a campaign and fly what i wanted providing i had the prestige.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

The chance to fly an OOB ship and fly the OOB ship they want are two different things Wandy, as is the ability to shift between 2 different OOB ships depending on what was needed or desired at any particular time.  Also alot of casual players might want to fly certain ships, but don't request them due to their lack of time online, feeling that they would hurt the team if they took one.  The same could be said of those pilots who question their own p v p skills, who might like to fly these ships, don't want to lose something that can't be replaced.

I think different ways (1 of which I outlined) can control the numbers of heavy iron on the board at a given time without totally limiting who can fly what.  We also might see some of the "heavy iron" used more boldly if it didn't result in loss of the OOB ship for the rest of the server.  I know DH has commented on not being able to find as much quality p v p when flying a DN, even vs other DNs.  So perhaps not losing such a ship forever might bring a bit more good p v p matches.  Care would still be required to avoid losing senseless VCs, but if the ship could be replaced pilots might be willing to stayand fight a bit more.  A few VCs aint much, but losing a ship that can control the map is.

As for those who prefer smaller ships I have alwways been in faver of having a "slot" area on servers for just such a thing.

[KBFTrajan]

i like the restrictions on keeping a limited number of DN's and BCH's online at once, but CA and below, i would rather have them unrestricted.

KBF Trajan

[GDA-Agave]

I voted for like the idea but would like it done differently.

I would prefer a limit of the number of capital ships online at a given time, but no restriction as to who was allowed to fly it. 

For example:  Only 3 DNs allowed online per side at a given time.  If you log on and want on and less than 3 are flying them at present you can buy one.  If you have one and log on and 3 are already on the board, someone will have to trade theirs in.  This way everyone has a chance to fly one, and no side is deprived of the opportunity to have them on the map merely because the assigned player isn't available.

Ditto.   But just to clarify, only capital ships of BCH size and larger need be restricted.   All CA and smaller should be available once their production year rolls around.   Another note:  If certain ships are seen as cheese, then the Admin should just drop them from the list, not restrict them.   Be careful here though, one person's cheese is another one's strategic hex flipper.   A good census of pilot opinion should work here.  Not going to please everyone, but that's just life.   

My humble opinions,

Agave

[Kroma BaSyl]

To the pilots that left because of OOB, I say if you don't like it then run a server without OOB. Simple. I for one would have left the game if I had to play one more unrestricted and boring server where I have to fight the same 3 cheese ships over and over because that is all anyone would ever fly.

I do agree that OOB as seen on the GW series could use further refinement. However, I do not like the idea of 3 DNs on at a time though, at least for that type of server.  What I would propose for refining that OOB system is to allow for much freer transfering of the ships between players, with little more than a public post that the transfer has occured. With the 3 DNs at a time rule it is hard to attach meaningfull VCs to those ships, also what happens when 1 is killed (does the side only have 2, or are there no consequences to losing that dread)?

I would also ammend the OOB rules to unrestrict any ship DD and below, but would still maintain a CP system for CL and larger specialty ships.

That said, I don't think there needs to be one official OOB system for all dynas. Let's have servers for everyones tastes. You will find me spending most of my time on the OOB servers though, as I just can't take unrestricted servers seriously anymore.

[Commander Maxillius]

I think OOB sucks.  Thought it sucked when it was first mentioned and still think so now.  Why am I still here?  Why, to provide a spirited CL fight to any BCH owner on late in a server



BTW: I'll run a server if you're paying for the high-speed connection so I can.

[Kroma BaSyl]

I think OOB sucks.  Thought it sucked when it was first mentioned and still think so now.  Why am I still here?  Why, to provide a spirited CL fight to any BCH owner on late in a server

So everyone had restricted ships but you? Maybe the restrictions didn't go far enough.

BTW: I'll run a server if you're paying for the high-speed connection so I can.

Most admins of late, don't even have their own hardware, so that copout doesn't hold any water. It is just an excuse for not testing your ideas on the public market place.

[FPF-DieHard]

BTW: I'll run a server if you're paying for the high-speed connection so I can.

Frey works cheap 

[FPF-DieHard]

OOB is nice, I like the Build points system from GW but we need to have more dynamic transfers.  I wish that the technology would cath up with the creativity, most people who have and issue would have less of a problem if this happened behind the scenes.

[Grim]

Ditto.   But just to clarify, only capital ships of BCH size and larger need be restricted.   All CA and smaller should be available once their production year rolls around.   Another note:  If certain ships are seen as cheese, then the Admin should just drop them from the list, not restrict them.   Be careful here though, one person's cheese is another one's strategic hex flipper.   A good census of pilot opinion should work here.  Not going to please everyone, but that's just life.

I agree about the restriction on BCH and above and that the CA and lower should be available to all, and well pointed out about how perception of so called "cheese ships" may differ. Well said 

That said, I don't think there needs to be one official OOB system for all dynas. Let's have servers for everyones tastes. You will find me spending most of my time on the OOB servers though, as I just can't take unrestricted servers seriously anymore.

I couldnt agree more, plenty of servers for different tastes, if people dont like the server then all they have to do is not fly it.

[Green]

OOB, no OOB ... enjoy them both.

But I have to admit I liked the GW4 OOB, which provided a well equipped shipyard, that allowed anyone who wanted to have a big ship to have one.  All you had to do was ask.

[Hexx]

OOB, no OOB ... enjoy them both.

But I have to admit I liked the GW4 OOB, which provided a well equipped shipyard, that allowed anyone who wanted to have a big ship to have one.  All you had to do was ask.

<sniff> all I ever wanted was a DNH..

[FPF-DieHard]

OOB, no OOB ... enjoy them both.

But I have to admit I liked the GW4 OOB, which provided a well equipped shipyard, that allowed anyone who wanted to have a big ship to have one.  All you had to do was ask.

<sniff> all I ever wanted was a DNH..

You got a BCV!!!! 

Wait a tick, how can anyone say people were deprived when both Hexx and J'inn got BCHs?

[Hexx]

Only after you started drinking...