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A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« on: December 20, 2004, 06:16:56 am »
I don't know if you guys need any more ideas, but I thought I'd post an idea that has been bothering me for a while. I've always disliked the USS Voyager with those wimpy little warp engines. The saucer section is pretty cool, but what it needs is a hull like the Sovereign and some some proportional warp drives.

I'll bet a kitbash Voyager/Sovereign would be cool. ;D

I hope someone gives it a shot.

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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2004, 11:03:47 am »
Yep, their all butt ugly ;D

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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2004, 11:08:00 am »
Yep, their all butt ugly ;D

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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2004, 11:12:14 am »
Ewwww, nasty...but then, look at the Yeager!! ;D
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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2004, 11:12:36 am »
  good to see you're still around bud !
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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2004, 03:28:45 pm »
Some of those designs are cool looking.  The lightning, feynman, bradbury, and galient.  I would really like to see those made.  The independence design just needs some work.  If I had the software I would make them.
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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2004, 06:01:02 pm »
Thanks ModelsPlease! One of you guys have been reading my mind! The Nimitz1 is exactly what I was thinking about. I think it looks much better than Voyager!


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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2004, 06:20:58 pm »
If you ask me, a fan design like you described--and like how most of the displayed designs--is as fanboy-ish as the Sovereign-class in my opinion.  I'm sorry but I prefer the Intrepid-class as is.  Your non-suspension of disbelief of the idea that warp engines can be compacted is what's causing you distaste.  It would also seem that disbelief and skeptism is what's helping cause a stereotypical taste of starship design in Trek-fandom world-wide.

The Galaxy-class for its size has small engines... Designs like that, or the Nebula-class, is what TNG designs are all about, even in evolution.  There are designs like the Intrepid-class--or even the popular Defiant-class--that help prove that Starfleet is moving on the right track in starship design, that they care less about big bulky nacelles and popular fanciful looks and more about compacting technology while keeping efficiency.  In my opinion, Intrepid-class warp engines are potentially more-advanced than the Sovereign-class's because of it's lack of need of big nacelles.  It can achieve a Warp 9.9 velocity with those little compact nacelles.  I believe whatever technology we--as in the Human race--produce, it will get smaller and more-efficient over time.  Maybe in the 24th century we would have space ships like the Intrepid-class, with engine travel as efficient, yet compact like the Intrepid-class.  Your disbelief is like disbelieving the existance flat-screen TVs or monitors, even thin notebooks/laptop computers.

Designs like the Sovereign-class are too fanboy-ish, as in bulky, long nacelles and a hot rod-like design with all these torpedo launchers located all over the ship.  I wonder what starfleet engineers were thinking in some designs like the Sovereign-class, or oversizing Pereguine-class ships and kitbashing them with intrepid-class hulls on 'em, or mixing Excelsior-class Carrier variants with constitution-class engines... I never got that.

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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2004, 06:42:02 pm »
Personally speaking I think a Sovereign/Intrepid "bash" is a really really bad idea... For no other reason than Sovereign warp nacelles are about as long as an Intrepid in the first place and so in order to make it "fit" it would have to be hideously out of proportion with itself...

Now I know that doesn't make a lot of sense but I knew what I was on about...  :D ;D :D ;D :D

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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2004, 07:09:10 pm »
If you ask me, a fan design like you described--and like how most of the displayed designs--is as fanboy-ish as the Sovereign-class in my opinion.  I'm sorry but I prefer the Intrepid-class as is.  Your non-suspension of disbelief of the idea that warp engines can be compacted is what's causing you distaste.  It would also seem that disbelief and skeptism is what's helping cause a stereotypical taste of starship design in Trek-fandom world-wide.

The Galaxy-class for its size has small engines... Designs like that, or the Nebula-class, is what TNG designs are all about, even in evolution.  There are designs like the Intrepid-class--or even the popular Defiant-class--that help prove that Starfleet is moving on the right track in starship design, that they care less about big bulky nacelles and popular fanciful looks and more about compacting technology while keeping efficiency.  In my opinion, Intrepid-class warp engines are potentially more-advanced than the Sovereign-class's because of it's lack of need of big nacelles.  It can achieve a Warp 9.9 velocity with those little compact nacelles.  I believe whatever technology we--as in the Human race--produce, it will get smaller and more-efficient over time.  Maybe in the 24th century we would have space ships like the Intrepid-class, with engine travel as efficient, yet compact like the Intrepid-class.  Your disbelief is like disbelieving the existance flat-screen TVs or monitors, even thin notebooks/laptop computers.

Designs like the Sovereign-class are too fanboy-ish, as in bulky, long nacelles and a hot rod-like design with all these torpedo launchers located all over the ship.  I wonder what starfleet engineers were thinking in some designs like the Sovereign-class, or oversizing Pereguine-class ships and kitbashing them with intrepid-class hulls on 'em, or mixing Excelsior-class Carrier variants with constitution-class engines... I never got that.

I appreciate your thoughts ...  though oddly enough ... NONE of my opinions are based on the size of the nacelles or stereo typed idealisms.   Sorry, sir, but this is one where ya kinda missed the mark on my behalf.

And simply because a Federation ship is capable of defending itself is no reason to categorize things as fanboyish.  Heck for that matter the Defiant that you refer to as a popular ship is in fact one of my favorites...  I LOVE its speed and defensive capabilities.  Also if you look at many of my designs the nacelles are more compact, located a bit closer to the primary hull ... and frequently based upon the idea of "advanced" development in their over all capabilities.  ( See X-CLC; ADD and AAC for examples)

My overall dislike of the ships mentioned above ...  Promey ...  Voyager .. and Akira is more like:

1.  Promey :  Star Wars marries with Star Trek ..   an overly simplified review perhaps ..  but AGAIN ..  just my own view point ( of which I'm certain that many will disagree with ..  but hey ...  that's cool !  After all Paramount did not ask me what I thought on the subject ... and I'm almost certain they could care less)

2.  Voyager :  over all ok ..   but seems like they just took some short cuts in the wrong places and could use  a little face lift here and there ...

3.  Akira...  How on earth people see this as an updated Miranda (though that is what we are told)  ...  it looks more like an after thought.  Parts of it just thrown togeather.  Frankly the NX-1 looks better appearance wise ..  If they wanted make another up-dated version of the Akira ... and use the NX-1 as a model I personally have no problem with that ..  call it an NX-1 descendant ... give it an appropriate name still call it an Akira...  that's cool  ( I know ..  I know ..  this is touching the "Holy Grail" ..  and upsets some of ya ...  But I hope that a couple will see past some of the usual arguments that take place and see the bigger picture here)


Back to the topic at hand ...  some times stretching the nacelles ...  bridge ...  pylons ...  other areas is needed in order to make the model "flow" better ..  give it the "right stuff"  ... and her design lines seemingly just simply works better.  Sometimes shortening them is better.  Take a look at the Galaxy Class.....  can you imagine it with Sovereign styled nacelles... (ecch .. shutters ...And yes ...  a lot of this is personal taste.)

Just for fun...  why not take a crack at a few sketches ... if we find one it might get built .....  If not then what the heck.

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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2004, 08:30:48 pm »
Considering that the Intrepid is half-ish the length of the Galaxy or Sovereign, I don't see the problem with smallish nacelles on it...  especially since the Intrepid nacelles were clearly something a bit odd to start with, given that whole "variable geometry" bit...  ;) 

Speaking of fugly, though, here's a kitbash I spotted on another forum...



Bigger nacelles /= better :D
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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2004, 11:15:19 pm »
IMHO ...  I don't think it's JUST the nacelles ..  sometimes its the over all ship.  Again look at the Galaxy ....  it's huge  ...  and the nacelles ( comparatively speaking) are a bit "stubby" ..  but it works with the over all model.

BTW....  this is an interesting pict you have ...  it would be interesting to see a complete set of elevations on this one ...  (just out of curiosity)

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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2004, 05:50:53 am »
I would settle for fixing the wimpy engines. and capt pierce's post has one I'd like to see made for sure...needs a better model though, that one is rather bland and low poly (IE knox kitbash style)

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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2004, 05:52:52 am »
why not grab nacelles from the nova and throw it on there, see what happens.
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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2004, 07:14:24 am »
Nova nacelles look even wimpier yet. I think they are technicly smaller though they may be slightly longer.

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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2004, 12:32:55 pm »
Still, it would be a very-strange failed mix of design lineages by slapping different nacelles on there.  Why not redesign the Intrepid to use more Galaxy-class parts and be a bit bigger then?  It wouldn't veer off too far from the basic design of the intrepid...

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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2004, 12:40:42 pm »
okie ..  i can buy that ..  got any sketches handy??

maybe I could do a cut'n paste bash based on your sketch ...  then see what shakes out !

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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2004, 02:04:48 pm »
*shrug* Sorry, I don't even have a scanner yet.  But let me point you in a direction... I don't know on which thread on which forum (or if I was websearching), but some people were talking about the design of the U.S.S. Titan and if there would be a canonical design.  There was some talk that referenced another thread (on another forum), and in that thread there were references to many fan designs.  One that caught my eye was a nice model (not a 3D model) that resembled a nice intermediate design of the Galaxy-class and Intrepid-class.  The page on that can be seen here.  Something similar to that might be what you're looking for.  If not, then at least use the basic design and envision it for yourself.  *shrug*

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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2004, 02:34:07 pm »
I want that!
The mariner is cool looking.
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« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2004, 02:48:33 pm »
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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2004, 05:25:15 pm »
I would settle for fixing the wimpy engines. and capt pierce's post has one I'd like to see made for sure...needs a better model though, that one is rather bland and low poly (IE knox kitbash style)


It's bashed from Trekmods Homeworld ships, hence the low poly count.

You know, people, only on these boards could somebody post a ship as an example of what not to do, and have people request it.  :D

As for the idea of new nacelles on the Intrepid class, you might take a look at some of the Voyager concept art at http://www.starfleetcom.net/lcars/fsd/art/voyager1.htm l, most of which feature bigger nacelles that could perhaps be borrowed...  ;)
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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2004, 11:27:48 pm »
I want that!
The mariner is cool looking.

Patience that one is under construction as we speak. It'll be in the MOD coming from OutaLance.
As for the Intrepid.........redesigning the whole ship pretty much constitutes a new ship class,so why not just do that. For what the ship is, the design is fine,granted yes the narcelles are small,the ship is chunky, but if it was thinned and streamlined it would be the Sovie lol. And the Akira, I was always under the impression that ship was designed to replace the Excelsior. Yet the Excelsior seems to be like the D7, a design that never dies.  I'll see what other bashes I can find for the Intrepid class. Believe it or not I think I remember on bashed with a BoP of all things. ::)
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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2004, 10:09:09 am »
If you ask me, a fan design like you described--and like how most of the displayed designs--is as fanboy-ish as the Sovereign-class in my opinion.  I'm sorry but I prefer the Intrepid-class as is.  Your non-suspension of disbelief of the idea that warp engines can be compacted is what's causing you distaste.  It would also seem that disbelief and skeptism is what's helping cause a stereotypical taste of starship design in Trek-fandom world-wide.

The Galaxy-class for its size has small engines... Designs like that, or the Nebula-class, is what TNG designs are all about, even in evolution.  There are designs like the Intrepid-class--or even the popular Defiant-class--that help prove that Starfleet is moving on the right track in starship design, that they care less about big bulky nacelles and popular fanciful looks and more about compacting technology while keeping efficiency.  In my opinion, Intrepid-class warp engines are potentially more-advanced than the Sovereign-class's because of it's lack of need of big nacelles.  It can achieve a Warp 9.9 velocity with those little compact nacelles.  I believe whatever technology we--as in the Human race--produce, it will get smaller and more-efficient over time.  Maybe in the 24th century we would have space ships like the Intrepid-class, with engine travel as efficient, yet compact like the Intrepid-class.  Your disbelief is like disbelieving the existance flat-screen TVs or monitors, even thin notebooks/laptop computers.

Designs like the Sovereign-class are too fanboy-ish, as in bulky, long nacelles and a hot rod-like design with all these torpedo launchers located all over the ship.  I wonder what starfleet engineers were thinking in some designs like the Sovereign-class, or oversizing Pereguine-class ships and kitbashing them with intrepid-class hulls on 'em, or mixing Excelsior-class Carrier variants with constitution-class engines... I never got that.

I have no issue with small warp engines, I think the design looks unbalanced.  I know it is a matter of taste but I don't like the Voyager's lines.  Perhaps it is the oversized saucer, but it just looks odd to me.

In any case, I love seeing different designs. Please keep them coming!

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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2004, 11:06:15 am »
Wow, that is one cool cruiser! I love it ;D

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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2004, 10:01:57 pm »
I've tried many times to get epople to make that with no luck. It is an awsome ship.

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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2004, 10:05:54 pm »
Ok tell ya what.if every one really likes the last one...... I'll add it to the list of ships for the MOD providing someone can secure permission from the owner. It does after all have a late TNG feel about it.

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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2004, 10:18:16 pm »
I'm not exited about the Phalanx-class.  It reminds me of the more-warlike Federation I'm not fond of (As in the stylish Sovereign-class battlecruiser, or Prometheus-class assault cruiser, or even the Defiant-class for example) that turned me away from Star Trek for a while, at least DS9.  Also, the "cannon" on the bottom of the saucer of the Phalanx reminds me of the Phaser cannon of the "All Good Things" [TNG] Enterprise-D refit, as does the fins.  At the very least, get rid of the weapons pod on top.  It seems to make the starship less-streamlined in design as opposed to the canonical evolution in starship design.

So I'm so-so in opinion of this fan design... But it's up to most other people who actually like the design, I feel my opinion a minority, although that doesn't trouble me. *shrug* I think it's actually good for the community to at least have some different opinions on designs for brainstorming.

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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2004, 03:34:53 am »
Ok Chris how about these 2 ?





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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2004, 06:27:55 pm »
Try this one...........

http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/battlecruiser_phalanx.jpg


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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2004, 04:39:27 am »
This one definately "rocks" Man:

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This one isn't so bad but also looks "fantastic":

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Ouch my stomach  :thumbsup: :lol: I'm gonna regret if I will see those ships again ;D
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Re: A new model Idea based on the Voyager
« Reply #32 on: December 24, 2004, 08:14:27 am »
there is no way that last ship is anaomically correct the dimensions are way off
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