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It's a Frikkin Laser
« on: December 17, 2004, 12:10:45 pm »
http://www.you.com.au/news/1275.htm

 Laser on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

One of the biggest challenges facing Lockheed Martin in its efforts to install a high-energy laser on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) is the question of what to do with all the excess heat generated by the system, according to the company's lead for directed energy programs.

Laser systems use electricity to produce highly focused beams of light, as well as considerable amounts of waste heat that must be dissipated. Lockheed Martin believes that a 100-kilowatt laser is the minimum power level needed to be an effective weapon for a fighter.

However, "to get 100 kilowatts of light out, you've got to put a megawatt of electrical power in, so somewhere along the way you've got to deal with 900 kilowatts of cooling," Tom Burris, lead for directed energy at Lockheed Martin Aeronautics, told The DAILY. "That's a ton, for a fighter that normally does tens of kilowatts of cooling."

To dissipate the heat, cooling loops will be employed to take heat from the laser system and transfer it into the aircraft's fuel tank, where it can be burned away.

"Just like a radiator in your car takes the heat from the cooling that goes into your engine and puts it into the air, this just puts it into the fuel," Burris said.

This process won't compromise the JSF's stealth, Burris said, because it will have no appreciable effect on its infrared signature.

"If you think about the amount of fuel onboard a jet aircraft, if you put all that heat in the fuel, you might raise it by a degree, something on that order," he said. "So in terms of signature, it has no impact."

Lockheed Martin plans to make space for the laser system by pulling out the Rolls-Royce-built shaft-driven lift fan in the Marine Corps short takeoff/vertical landing (STOVL) variant of the JSF (DAILY, Sept. 23). Within that 100-cubic-foot space, used largely for fuel storage in the other variants, the laser can draw wattage from a shaft connected directly to the aircraft's JSF119-611 engine.

Solid-state lasers, which use a solid material such as crystal or glass as the lasing medium, are the most mature and promising laser technology for this application, according to Lockheed Martin. Single-digit-wattage solid-state lasers already are commonplace on today's fighters, where they perform tasks such as rangefinding and target designation.

Over the summer, Lockheed Martin signed an agreement with the Air Force Research Laboratory's (AFRL) Directed Energy Directorate to cooperatively explore high-energy laser concepts for fighters (DAILY, June 6). AFRL will furnish the laser, while Lockheed Martin concentrates on integration into the aircraft.

Lockheed Martin anticipates the JSF using lasers against both air and ground targets, at a typical range of 10 kilometers (6.2 miles). The laser itself would be housed in a dome that would emerge from the aircraft when needed, Burris said.

"When you want to use it, you'll deploy the turret, so it'll pop out into the airstream," he said. "You'll get a target cue from somewhere, just like all weapons do. It'll slew over to where you think the target is, acquire the target, and then it'll start lasing it."

The earliest opportunity the company will have to place a high-energy laser system on the JSF will be beginning with the Block Four version around 2012, according to Burris.

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The other major challenge in putting lasers on the JSF is keeping the laser beam focused properly as it passes through the turbulent air around the Mach 1 aircraft.

"That flow field around the aircraft will distort the laser beam," Burris said. "So you'll have to have some sort of system onboard ... that'll sense that distortion and then correct for it."

The solution is adaptive optics - a technology developed by AFRL that is already in use on the Airborne Laser (ABL) program and at many astronomical observatories around the world. An adaptive optics system performs real-time compensation for atmospheric distortion by using deformable mirrors that can "pre-distort" the beam in such a way that the atmosphere itself straightens it out.

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Any of you Airforce Guys have  a Pic of the F-35?

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Re: It's a Frikkin Laser
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2004, 12:17:49 pm »
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Re: It's a Frikkin Laser
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2004, 12:20:53 pm »
Smart Mouth, and I have to wait 12 hours now before I can Smite The Mighty Dallas.   ;)

Heh, that is a Nice looking plane.

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Re: It's a Frikkin Laser
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2004, 02:19:19 pm »
Pretty cool.  Now if they can just figure out how to put them on some sharks.....

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Re: It's a Frikkin Laser
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2004, 08:04:43 pm »
Stupid idea. Stupid, stupid, stupid stupid stupid.


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Re: It's a Frikkin Laser
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2004, 10:05:35 am »
Stupid idea. Stupid, stupid, stupid stupid stupid.



What's stupid?  Putting a laser on an airplane or a shark? 

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Re: It's a Frikkin Laser
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2004, 11:21:07 am »
If the fuel cools the laser can the plane fire the laser when it is nearing the end of a long flight? Seems to me they will need a better cooling solution.

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Re: It's a Frikkin Laser
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2004, 09:39:29 pm »
Very good point Storm. Maybe you ought to send a nice email informing them of that little oversight.
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Re: It's a Frikkin Laser
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2004, 09:48:07 pm »
THink about this. Are they going to be firing at the end of a long flight? Odds are, they'd  be firing about 1/4 the way through the flight.
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Re: It's a Frikkin Laser
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2004, 10:38:37 pm »
THink about this. Are they going to be firing at the end of a long flight? Odds are, they'd  be firing about 1/4 the way through the flight.

closer to half way I'd think. Regardless unless the laser has the same mission and only the as the ABL then the laser would not be available for air to air engagements. And while that might be ok for dedicated platforms with a single mission. It would suck for a multipurpose fighter.   

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Re: It's a Frikkin Laser
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2004, 10:53:31 pm »
1/2 way would be a bad idea.  If you fly 1/2 way to a mission, do the mission, and fly back, you wouldn't make it.  At most, I'd say 1/3 of the way out.


Then again, this is all speculation on my part. i have no factual data here.
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Re: It's a Frikkin Laser
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2004, 02:02:56 am »
Stupid idea. Stupid, stupid, stupid stupid stupid.



What's stupid?  Putting a laser on an airplane or a shark? 

No, my issues are firing a high-energy laser with limited range and limited utility where conventional air-to-air missiles or guns would work better. Even the ABL has to cook a target for 4-5 seconds...personally I half-second burst of 20mm ammo does a better job. A air to air missile does a better job.

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Re: It's a Frikkin Laser
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2004, 08:00:27 am »
You would think that going at mach 1 or so the breeze would be pretty cold... a modified air-cooled radiator of somesort?

And does anyone know the damage potential of this weapon vs the cannon it would be replacing?
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Re: It's a Frikkin Laser
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2004, 08:59:19 am »
You would think that going at mach 1 or so the breeze would be pretty cold... a modified air-cooled radiator of somesort?

And does anyone know the damage potential of this weapon vs the cannon it would be replacing?


Actually, the SR=71 used this type of cooling for it's frame..the heat was so intense @ mach 3 that the fuel was circulated through the leading edge... http://www.blackbirds.net/u2/c_bennett/bbird-03.html

And..one must remember, we refuel in the air..many combat missions take off with full combat loads, refuel immediatly, then refuel later (typical B-52 mission)..fighters can take off, refuel, do the mission, refuel, and land

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Re: It's a Frikkin Laser
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2004, 09:57:00 am »
You would think that going at mach 1 or so the breeze would be pretty cold... a modified air-cooled radiator of somesort?

And does anyone know the damage potential of this weapon vs the cannon it would be replacing?

Well I can show you a ruby-YAG hobby laser that can blow a how through 9 inches of hardened steel in one shot. And that is a mere 900 joules. Granted the range is a lot different. But the M-THEL laser we developed jointly with the Israelis has already destroyed hundreds of Mortars, Artillery, rockets and ballistic missiles. Some of that at volley fire rates. The range of that system is currently several kilometers. The ABL's range is hundreds of kilometers. The ABL system is the one I've read that they believe they can eventually fit into a fighter. They have learned a lot while puttingthe prototypes together and know they can miniaturize it.