i agree F_W lets can this thread up, i pretty much feel we are beating a dead horse here now. we have what we need here and the OutaLance forum so we are all set lets get back to the models to quote MP ("Let's focus on what's really important. making the ships,bashing the ships,importing the ships,converting the ships,texturing the ships,HP and DP the ships and MOST importantly playing with and enjoying the ships")