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Offline Clark Kent

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This I why I rarely use my PC anymore
« on: December 18, 2004, 02:29:02 pm »
My Dad's Compaq has a unique problem, and while I have my own ideas of what is happening, I thought I'd ask around in here to see if I could get a more expertise opinion than my own. 
Upon booting it up (windows XP home edition) a software installer loads and then it tells you to wait while "Instant Share" is loaded.  My dad has no idea what this is.  He doesn't remember loading anything like it, although he pays absolutely no attention to what is going on to his computer, and completely ignores me when I give him advice on what to do, especially when he directly asks me for help.
As I said, he's running Windows XP home edition
Compaq presario 2100 series laptop (2140US)
AMD Athlon XP 2200+ @ 1.32 GHz
448MB of RAM

I know the rest of these are "well duh, you should change that" but I'll add this just in case someone needs to know:
Running Version 2002 of XP, service pack 1
No firewall is installed
Antivirus has not been updated in months, minimum
Updating will be difficult since it has to be done on a 56k modem.
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But tell me, can you heal what father's done?
Or fix this hole in a mother's son?
Can you heal the broken worlds within?
Can you strip away so we may start again?
Tell me, can you heal what father's done?
Or cut this rope and let us run?
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Re: This I why I rarely use my PC anymore
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2004, 02:42:52 pm »
You could try contacting MS and asking them to send you a SP2 disc, provided you have some kind of key to prove you own a copy of windows.  Just tell them you are temporairly out of internet connection so you'd  like it on disc. 

Also, download Lavasoft's Ad-Aware SE and run that.  quick google for "Lavasoft ad-aware" will bring it right up.  Very nice spyware removal tool.



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Barring the calling MS thing, you could bribe a forumer with karma to send you the SP2 on cd in the mail. Where abouts you live?
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Re: This I why I rarely use my PC anymore
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2004, 02:49:48 pm »
I'll look into the spyware stuff, with luck that will cover my "Instant share" problem.  One thing I forgot to mention is he keeps trying to get the latest version of netscape to run, but it won't.  The program loads, but won't load any web pages, regardless of the connection.
I'm up in minnesota, about 40 min NW of minneapolis.  It be cold up here.
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But tell me, can you heal what father's done?
Or fix this hole in a mother's son?
Can you heal the broken worlds within?
Can you strip away so we may start again?
Tell me, can you heal what father's done?
Or cut this rope and let us run?
Just when all seems fine, and I'm pain free, you jab another pin,
Jab another pin in me
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Re: This I why I rarely use my PC anymore
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2004, 03:06:53 pm »
Instant Share is an HP/Compaq photo sharing program.
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Re: This I why I rarely use my PC anymore
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2004, 03:11:21 pm »
Instant Share is an HP/Compaq photo sharing program.

I am 120 minutes north of Minneapolis and it is even colder up here.  :P

Edited for being stupid and not using the spell checker. :)
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Re: This I why I rarely use my PC anymore
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2004, 03:22:15 pm »
huh...
SIlly me
I thought it was some spyware program or something.  Why is it trying to load now, after nearly a year of owning the computer?  Why does the PC not accept that I may want to cancel the installation?
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But tell me, can you heal what father's done?
Or fix this hole in a mother's son?
Can you heal the broken worlds within?
Can you strip away so we may start again?
Tell me, can you heal what father's done?
Or cut this rope and let us run?
Just when all seems fine, and I'm pain free, you jab another pin,
Jab another pin in me
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Re: This I why I rarely use my PC anymore
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2004, 03:30:41 pm »
Well, how joyous.
After getting his antivirus up to date, a scan has now found 4 viruses in his system.  I don't know why I even bother to help him at all on this stupid thing.  He never listens to me.
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But tell me, can you heal what father's done?
Or fix this hole in a mother's son?
Can you heal the broken worlds within?
Can you strip away so we may start again?
Tell me, can you heal what father's done?
Or cut this rope and let us run?
Just when all seems fine, and I'm pain free, you jab another pin,
Jab another pin in me
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Re: This I why I rarely use my PC anymore
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2004, 06:19:04 pm »
My sympathies.  I gave my parents a Compaq a couple of years ago and have regretted it ever since. I should have known better, my company won't touch a Compaq with a 10 foot pole and switched from HP to Dell after HP bought Compaq and discontinued their Vectra line.  My father also won't keep anything up-to-date and then wants my help when it doesn't run right but ignores any advice I give him.  It's not like he's an idiot, he's a retired engineer with a masters degree from MIT, which makes me even more frustrated.  My advice is to password protect the machine and don't give him the password, parents and computers don't mix.  ;)

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Re: This I why I rarely use my PC anymore
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2004, 06:35:42 pm »
To make matters worse my dad has a thing for downloading porn and visiting unreputable sites and downloading from them.  Everytime he gets a strange email with an attachment?  Yep, he downloads, and opens it to see what it is.  The best is when he asks me, "what is this?"
"i dunno, it's your mail, don't you know?"
"No"
So I look at it, and, of course, it has some strange, completely unknown file extension, so I say "it's a virus, get rid of it"
"But I haven't opened it..."
"it's a virus, get rid of it"
"But you haven't opened it..."
"it's a virus, get rid of it"
"Maybe I should open it first to see"
"it's a virus, get rid of it"
silence.
SO then I leave, and when I'm gone he opens it anyway.
How many times has this EXACT conversation happened?  more than 5
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But tell me, can you heal what father's done?
Or fix this hole in a mother's son?
Can you heal the broken worlds within?
Can you strip away so we may start again?
Tell me, can you heal what father's done?
Or cut this rope and let us run?
Just when all seems fine, and I'm pain free, you jab another pin,
Jab another pin in me
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Re: This I why I rarely use my PC anymore
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2004, 06:37:50 pm »
Configure his E-Mail to delete messages with attachments that are not from people in his address book? 
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2004, 08:15:37 pm »
I kind of know what you mean, Kent. My father is somewhat like that. He called me up just the other day and asked me if I knew where the file he just downloaded is. HOW SHOULD I KNOW!!! He asks how he can find it on his computer so I ask if he has done a search for it. Yes, he tried that but it didn't show up. He then says that he can only download it once per day and asks if he should try it again tomorrow. I have learned to take a deep breath, several actually, and just try to come up with suggestions. I mean, I don't even know what the heck it is he is trying to get, I don't live in the same house and/or use that computer and he asks ME if I know where the file is. This is the computer that he got, without telling me that he is looking for one, where he didn't get any of the software discs that should have come with it, no manual to even say what is in it and it didin't even have all the internal cables hooked up to the sound card like it should have. But guess who he called to try and figure out how to make it work. That's right boys and girls, ME!

On another note. He connects his PC to his radios for some kind of communication thingy that I have no clue, and don't care about. He goes on and on about how this one program, one that I know absolutely nothing about, doesn't work and asks me why it doesn't. He says that it will work on his , get this, Pentium 133 Compaq laptop running 98 but won't work right on his slightly faster desktop running XP Pro. Yes, it is barely powerful enough to run XP.  He then says that other people are getting it to run on their desktops running Home. I tell him, not for the first time, that he ought to just get a new PC and then he wouldn't have the problems he is having with this one. He keeps trying to say that why should he get a new one that runs XP when it isn't going to work for him. Totally missing the fact that if other people can get it to work on their PC running Home, that if he gets a new one it should run on that one as it isn't the same computer as the one already sitting in front of him that doesn't want to run it. He also says that he doesn't have the money for a new one. He does seem to have money to get new radios though. I just wonder why he doesn't see the PC as part of the radio system as that is one of the more important uses of it for him. I have even caught him talking to friends about how at ham radio shows there are tables and tables of old used laptops for sale and that he ought to get one. He just doesn't want to get one older than the one he has. One of these days hw will come home with a laptop that is about a P-II300 and will think it is great and he'll want me to get it working for him. The man just doesn't have a clue and drives me nuts asking me for help. I swear, if he asks for help trying to get that beat up old junk laptop running one more time, I'm just going to throw it out in the pool, hopefully it will freeze solid, and force him to get a new one that isn't JUNK!!
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Re: This I why I rarely use my PC anymore
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2004, 12:27:23 am »
On with the war stories..

I'm 48 (49 come Friday)..I think I'm relatively computer literate..after all, I've built all the comp's for me and my kids...

My wife's boss wonders why she needs to update the Norton's so often..or the XP..or the Office...

I guess there are some who actually believe everyone out there is benevalent...When Deb visits her parents in Fla...she takes a CD filled with the latest and greatest..and finds all sorts of stuff...I never directly open anything from them or my mom..into the security zone first...

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Re: This I why I rarely use my PC anymore
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2004, 03:26:47 am »
oh yeah my dad actually opens the pc up and messes with everything inside and wonders y he has problems.he burnt up literally his old HPcrap. so i had to build this comp even faster than i had planned to making shortcuts on my new pc. well i gave him my old one which wasnt a slouch itself. p4 2ghz 256 ddr 2100 ram epox 4G4A mobo. ran perfectly for me i had built it to play morrowwind by the way. he has it 2 days no kidding 2 days says its a peice of crap. cause it wont play a game of his. now this has been going off and on for like the last 6 months or more. with just this last comp. i mean i gave it to him for free. while i fixed it before i noticed he was uninstalling random things. to my totally dismay. and then has the nerve to blame the computer for not running right.  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :smackhead: :smackhead: :smackhead:  hell i had to put my mom under a restircted login also. lol that was funny. she called me up one night wondering y she couldnt d/l something. i asked her what it was saying and she was like it said i dont have permission to and i told her i didnt give her any to be able to do it. lol



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Re: This I why I rarely use my PC anymore
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2004, 10:45:23 am »
LOL
Yeah, i went down the restricted access route for my entire family once, they didn't like it.  Ended up causing more grief than it solved, so I dropped that policy.
The problem with people like that is they won't even take the time to acknowledge their ignorance, and most certainly won't take the time to learn how to improve their knowledge and skills.  They just expect you to magically know what's wrong and fix it in an instant.
Oh, and BTW, the scan found a total of 7 viruses yesterday.
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But tell me, can you heal what father's done?
Or fix this hole in a mother's son?
Can you heal the broken worlds within?
Can you strip away so we may start again?
Tell me, can you heal what father's done?
Or cut this rope and let us run?
Just when all seems fine, and I'm pain free, you jab another pin,
Jab another pin in me
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Re: This I why I rarely use my PC anymore
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2004, 10:50:16 am »
Well, I scan once a week with Norton.  Is that good enough?


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« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2004, 11:12:27 am »
Me too..also use Spy-bot and  AdAware..and do extra scans if one of the kids comes over and uses the computer..almost feels like living in a castle and preparing for the invasions of the Vikings..(and my wife is of Swedish extract...)

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Re: This I why I rarely use my PC anymore
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2004, 11:15:09 am »
I just use norton.  Those other programs just slowed down an already slow machine and I gave up.


NPR is a lot like NASCAR.  Two hundred miles an hour in a circle, and you end up right back where you started with nothing but lost time for the effort.


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Re: This I why I rarely use my PC anymore
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2004, 04:53:19 pm »
Wow, my dad knows all about computers!  What's even worse is that when I'm not with him, the uncle and aunt I spend time with know even MORE about computers then me.  If something goes wrong...you can bet who will get blamed (yep...that's right...me).

They seem to know where I go, and what I do on the internet as well.  It seems there's almost NO hiding from them.  I have NO idea how they find these things out, as I even try to keep my passwords from them by deleting the autocomplete, and everything else (funny story on that, first time I did that my dad about had a fit, as he hadn't written down some of his passwords, and I deleted them that way!!!!, of course he learned how to do a lot more within a few weeks of that).

No problems on that front.  Of course it's a blessing as well, as they always seem to be there as well if I want to install a game, or a new peice of hardware, and can answer almost any question I pose for them.  They are far from computer illiteracy.  Of course, they are about the age of some of you older people, so I suppose my grandparents would be the one's I'd be looking at for the computer illiteracy, as a lot of you older guys who are of my parents generation seem to also know what's going on with computers.  Now my grandparents are something else to behold...but overall, they seem to not use computers and have other things to do with their time it seems...normally at least.  Though they do seem to like geneology and email.
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Re: This I why I rarely use my PC anymore
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2004, 05:32:36 pm »
Wow, my dad knows all about computers!  What's even worse is that when I'm not with him, the uncle and aunt I spend time with know even MORE about computers then me.  If something goes wrong...you can bet who will get blamed (yep...that's right...me).

They seem to know where I go, and what I do on the internet as well.  It seems there's almost NO hiding from them.  I have NO idea how they find these things out, as I even try to keep my passwords from them by deleting the autocomplete, and everything else (funny story on that, first time I did that my dad about had a fit, as he hadn't written down some of his passwords, and I deleted them that way!!!!, of course he learned how to do a lot more within a few weeks of that).

No problems on that front.  Of course it's a blessing as well, as they always seem to be there as well if I want to install a game, or a new peice of hardware, and can answer almost any question I pose for them.  They are far from computer illiteracy.  Of course, they are about the age of some of you older people, so I suppose my grandparents would be the one's I'd be looking at for the computer illiteracy, as a lot of you older guys who are of my parents generation seem to also know what's going on with computers.  Now my grandparents are something else to behold...but overall, they seem to not use computers and have other things to do with their time it seems...normally at least.  Though they do seem to like geneology and email.

How old are you Dash?  Right off the bat I find it a little disturbing that your family feels the need to travel through your internet history and to hack through your passwords and files.  I'm just a little curious what the motivation is.  I'm sure i could do the same things on my families computers, but it's their privacy and their business.  If they do thiiings I have recomended they not do on their computers, and things go as I predict, i often tell them it's their problem to deal with, since I gave them what they needed and it was refused.
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But tell me, can you heal what father's done?
Or fix this hole in a mother's son?
Can you heal the broken worlds within?
Can you strip away so we may start again?
Tell me, can you heal what father's done?
Or cut this rope and let us run?
Just when all seems fine, and I'm pain free, you jab another pin,
Jab another pin in me
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Re: This I why I rarely use my PC anymore
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2004, 09:43:36 pm »
Not to answer for him (but I am) but i believe Dash is...18 or 19? Pehaps a few younger?  Just going off random memory here.


Heh, I'm 18 now and my parents dont really know a whole lot. My mom uses her computer at work all day but its not a windows environment really, and she e-mails my dad from home sometimes.  I think she can send pictures now too.  My dad knows a bit more, since he uses  them at work (hes a high school auto-body shop teacher).

I on the other hand built my own machine from scratch, so I know a few things.
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