Topic: Voyager vs. Enterprise D

[Clark Kent]

Ent D is a superior fighting ship to voyageur, hands down.  While voyageur had quantum torpedoes, the Ent D was loaded to the teeth with photon torpedoes and had more launchers than voyaguer.  More phaser arrays also helps.  The saucer seperation thing also would be of big help, allowing the D to break into two targets if need be, also giving the drive section manuevering capabilities that would allow it to be more competetive with voyageur. 
As for the crews: voyageur's sucks.  Nearly all of the episodes went way beyond suspension of disbelief.  They were stupid, always making stupid decisions and not paying any real price for them. 
Janeway is not as good a captain as pricard
Chakotay sucks comared to riker
Torres isn't as good as jordi, not by a long shot
Harry is an elementary science flunkee compared to Data
Tuvok is a wuss compared to worf
Tom is alright, and since Ent D never really got an outstanding helmsman for any length of time voyageur has them beat here
Doctor would be spending all his time worrying about holographic equal rights and adding holographic appendages to himself, so crusher has him beat.
Summary- voyageur can't compare with the Ent D, and the crew of voyageur sucks donkey butt so it's a hands down Ent D over voyageur.

[Clark Kent]

What's sad is that I came up with that off the top of my head, with no need to think it over.

[Commander La'ra]

That would be because they weren't trying to kill him.  They're Romulans, after all.  They wanted it to look like that Admiral was defecting so that he'd be a more effective plant.

Nice counter, but the Romulans are supposed to be masters of intrigue, right?  They're not going to go ahead with an already-risky plot if it'd have been impossible for the scout to resist the Warbird's firepower.  That's far too big of a hole in their story...though...

...perhaps Berman used to work for Romulan intelligence.

[KnightAdvancer]

Actually, in the episode La Forge goes over some readings and comments about how the Warbird continuously slows down to keep pace with the scout as it damages it, and perhaps something about reducing weapons output as well. 'It's almost as if they don't want to catch 'em' He says to the effect of, and mentions that the Warbird would of overran the scout if it held it's speed. As soon as scout reaches the Enterprise the Warbird cloaks and moves off, without some much as a threat. It later becomes apparent that Admiral Jarok was being fed bogus information to see if he would turn, and if he did, to use that bogus information he had to lure the Federation into a trap. 

I think your getting soft, La'ra. I thought you knew your episodes better than that. Ol' Tremok is disappointed in you.

[Ravok]

The Ent D had a glass jaw. fart in combat and you had a warp core breach, or lost a power coupling etc. She could dish it out but did not seem to be able to take it.

 Voyager seemed like a lot tougher ship. And Jane way seemed a wole lote scarier when she was pissed, than Picard ever did.

" Hell hath no fury than the wrath of a woman."  Remember what she did to the borg for ticking her off?

 Picard talks too much, And i think personally Riker is a joke.  Voyager for me.

[Fedman NCC-3758]

"I was out saving the galaxy while your grandfather was still in his diapers" : Kirk to Picard

[E_Look]

Didn't Scotty first use that line on Geordi before Kirk got to spring it on Picard?

[Clark Kent]

The Ent D had a glass jaw. fart in combat and you had a warp core breach, or lost a power coupling etc. She could dish it out but did not seem to be able to take it.

 Voyager seemed like a lot tougher ship. And Jane way seemed a wole lote scarier when she was pissed, than Picard ever did.

" Hell hath no fury than the wrath of a woman."  Remember what she did to the borg for ticking her off?

 Picard talks too much, And i think personally Riker is a joke.  Voyager for me.

I dunno, Ent D held up alright to the borg, and a few others as well.
A sfor voyageur, suspension of disbelief is a term they don't comprehend.  No, they live in the land of disbelief and BS.

[Fedman NCC-3758]

Didn't Scotty first use that line on Geordi before Kirk got to spring it on Picard?

Maybe, but it doesn't matter.  The old guard was putting the youngins in their place. he-he 

[Commander La'ra]

Actually, in the episode La Forge goes over some readings and comments about how the Warbird continuously slows down to keep pace with the scout as it damages it, and perhaps something about reducing weapons output as well. 'It's almost as if they don't want to catch 'em' He says to the effect of, and mentions that the Warbird would of overran the scout if it held it's speed. As soon as scout reaches the Enterprise the Warbird cloaks and moves off, without some much as a threat. It later becomes apparent that Admiral Jarok was being fed bogus information to see if he would turn, and if he did, to use that bogus information he had to lure the Federation into a trap. 

I think your getting soft, La'ra. I thought you knew your episodes better than that. Ol' Tremok is disappointed in you.

It's been about four years since I've seen that one...

..though, that was rather sloppy of them, wasn't it?

And I was wondering if that was you when the D'Deridex comment came flyin' out of the cosmos like that.

[Commander La'ra]

Those BoPs did show up rather...huge, didn't they?

[WillDecker]

I would definitely have to say the classic seven would hand all of them their asses on a platter.

[FPF-SCM_TraceyG_XC]

Who would win out of Janeway and Picard?? Well, Kirk of course... 

[14G_Tiger]

The Enterprise also has an annoying tendency to lose its starboard power coupling after taking the slightest hit.  Even if the shields were up.

The more I watch how Picard behaves in TNG vs how he behaves in the movies, the more I'm convinced that the Enterprise=D was a poorly built ship and her captain was fully aware of it, hence his lack of aggression.  When provided with a more resilient vessel, he became more willing to engage in combat.

It didnt have anything to do with the children on the -D?

[Commander La'ra]

An excellent point.

[Redshift the Kook]

Lol, so what about poor Sisko? I know a lot of the time he didn't do much but there were instances where he went "medieval" on the Dominian.

[IKSKevin]

What about the start of the Dominion Wars....the lead attack vessels were Galaxies....they were kicking butt and taking names...they should just release a 2 hour long, "Star Trek Ship Wars"....send it RIGHT to video....it would sell good...no story line, just lots of ST ships fighting....**sigh**

[Commander Maxillius]

In TNG, Picard was given a ship with over 1000 people on it, at least 300 of which were civilians or children.  As such, he had to act more like a mayor of a town than the commander of the Federation Flagship.  In the movies, Picard was given a ship of battle, staffed by 700 of the Starfleet's finest, to back up the Picard that beat down a Ferengi ship 3 times the size of his Stargazer 30(?) years previous.


I think Picard is the better officer, able to adapt to different situations.  Janeway by all rights should've had her ass handed to her MANY MANY times and IF she ever managed to get home it should've been in a stolen Kazon or Hirogen ship.... wait... Hirogen?   they'd ler her steal a ship?!?  LMAO


There is one episode that describes the whole series:  Year of Hell.


I pose another question:  Archer or Picard

[IKSKevin]

Picard by far....ALTHOUGH I am one of the few die-hard Star Trek fans that enjoys "Enterprise"...I really hope it doens't get canceled. ???

[E_Look]

Hear!  Hear!  Paramount!  Keep the show on!