Topic: Running up the post count- 2 Best (current ) Fed pilots?

[WarSears]

Drone/fighter defences:
Hydrans: fighters - energy cost=0

Fighters are drone defense? Oh my, that's a good one.

 

If you didn't know that then I suggest you go back to school and learn to use fighters properly.

You're joking!

Woe to the Hydran who relies on his fighters for drone defense.

Can they help? In the right circumstances, yes, but letting your fighters get picked off by drones is usually a formula to defeat.

Hydran fighters geting picked off by drones now thats funny.

[Mog]

Mog,



Rare is it that they actually help you in drone defense unless you are castling with them set on 'defend me'

Modus operandi from my experiiences.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Hydran fighters geting picked off by drones now thats funny.

Well if the drone user is 1/2 decent it works, come by sometime Sears and I'll teach ya......

[FPF-DieHard]

Stop suggesting people learn tactics, it doesn't work 

[Dizzy]

Stop suggesting people learn tactics, it doesn't work 

Most of us have been playing the game for years. Is it fast approaching the old saying that 'if you dont have it you never will?'

[WarSears]

Hydran fighters geting picked off by drones now thats funny.

Well if the drone user is 1/2 decent it works, come by sometime Sears and I'll teach ya......

Some how when I was posting I knew you would jump to 762 defence oh and the crack about you teaching me how to you use drones 

Stop suggesting people learn tactics, it doesn't work 

This coming form a guy that gets to use fighters with PhG but very relay has to face them.

[Hexx]

Hydran fighters geting picked off by drones now thats funny.

Well if the drone user is 1/2 decent it works, come by sometime Sears and I'll teach ya......

Some how when I was posting I knew you would jump to 762 defence oh and the crack about you teaching me how to you use drones 

Stop suggesting people learn tactics, it doesn't work 

This coming form a guy that gets to use fighters with PhG but very relay has to face them.

As much as I hate to say it Sears has a point

I think SGO would be an excellent opportunity to test some improved Klingon Fighters with PhG's.
(If you're worried about them being ott we can just use them on Lyran Carriers)

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

oh and the crack about you teaching me how to you use drones 

Well thought it might be less painful than trying to teach you disruptors.......

<Big Snicker>

[762_XC]

Drone/fighter defences:
Hydrans: fighters - energy cost=0

Fighters are drone defense? Oh my, that's a good one.

 

If you didn't know that then I suggest you go back to school and learn to use fighters properly.

You're joking!

Woe to the Hydran who relies on his fighters for drone defense.

Can they help? In the right circumstances, yes, but letting your fighters get picked off by drones is usually a formula to defeat.

Hydran fighters geting picked off by drones now thats funny.

You can't possibly believe it's that hard.

[FPF-DieHard]

This coming form a guy that gets to use fighters with PhG but very relay has to face them.

Oh Whine me a river, do I need to show you how to fly Klink now?   

PS. what Hydran Light Cruiser is a match for a D5D?

[Mog]

This coming form a guy that gets to use fighters with PhG but very relay has to face them.

Oh Whine me a river, do I need to show you how to fly Klink now?   

PS. what Hydran Light Cruiser is a match for a D5D?

Your PS is a totally irrelevant question because D2 isn't about equal BPV matchups.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

You are right....  of course, I remember hearing a LOT of Hydran pilots on GW2 complain about losing their LB (156 BPV), LC (138), LM (150), & DG's (154) to D5D's (116)....  they would have 3, 6 ,6, & 3 fighters respectively. (costs not included in BPV totals)

I would have lost more than the one heavy I did against D5D's if it hadn't been for people new to the D2 NOT realizing that capturing was an option until they had already used all their marines on H&R's.

[FireSoul]

You are right....  of course, I remember hearing a LOT of Hydran pilots on GW2 complain about losing their LB (156 BPV), LC (138), LM (150), & DG's (154) to D5D's (116)....  they would have 3, 6 ,6, & 3 fighters respectively. (costs not included in BPV totals)

I would have lost more than the one heavy I did against D5D's if it hadn't been for people new to the D2 NOT realizing that capturing was an option until they had already used all their marines on H&R's.

Drone speeds increase the BPV of the D5D. I *think* it's 36 points more for medium speed drones (standard number of reloads), and 72 for fast. The fact SFC lets you have even more drones should count as a bit more BPV still.
.. anyways, point is that with Med speed drones, it just might be a close match-up in BPV.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

This coming form a guy that gets to use fighters with PhG but very relay has to face them.

Oh Whine me a river, do I need to show you how to fly Klink now?   

PS. what Hydran Light Cruiser is a match for a D5D?

Your PS is a totally irrelevant question because D2 isn't about equal BPV matchups.

Actually Mog I think it is relevant,  reason being that in a light cruiser hull you shouldn't expect to be able to expect regular victories vs ships of larger hull classes on a regular basis without use of some impressive pilot skills.  When I fly a drone boat I don't normally expect to beat a BCH unless the pilot makes some seroius error.  Die Hards point being that it isn't so hard to deal with the gatling fighters of these smaller hull classes (as there are not so many of them) with a D5D, although the larger hulls may be, but that a light cruiser should have trouble with larger hulls is IMHO very valid.

Now if it come to an equal chance or a (relatively equal one) in a match facing an opponent in the same hull class and fighter and/or drones is at issue, then this is a differnt matter.  As is the case of the Lyrans vs Star Castling Hydrans.

[Corbomite]

You are right....  of course, I remember hearing a LOT of Hydran pilots on GW2 complain about losing their LB (156 BPV), LC (138), LM (150), & DG's (154) to D5D's (116)....  they would have 3, 6 ,6, & 3 fighters respectively. (costs not included in BPV totals)

I would have lost more than the one heavy I did against D5D's if it hadn't been for people new to the D2 NOT realizing that capturing was an option until they had already used all their marines on H&R's.

Hmmm, the only ship I lost to a D5D on that server was an LM that I flew horribly in an Ambush mission and my opponent had AI help. All the other fights I had ended up in them dead or running. Many of the pilots who lost ships had hardly, if ever, flown Hydran before. I remember being very shocked at the reports of downed ships on TS and thinking "how could they lose that fight?". Hydran tactics are not readily apparent. They have a strange mix of tech and philosophy that requires some time to adapt to. You Hydran regulars must surely agree or has it been so long since you started playing them you can't remember saying to yourself "what the hell am I supposed to do with this thing?"? Of all those, the DG would have the worst time against a D5D because of it's loadout and HW suite. Correct fighter deployment is critical as well as the use of OL Fusions and maybe even Suicide OL.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Actually, the DG is PREFERED b/c of the phaser suite against drones. 

6 forward arc phasers are great & even better after the + refit gives the PhG's LS/RS coverage.

Castling with overloaded hellbores did more than 1 D5D in. 

And I don't know what my problem is... I always lose one ship before I really get rolling on a server.... that was my LB in GW2.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

You are right.... of course, I remember hearing a LOT of Hydran pilots on GW2 complain about losing their LB (156 BPV), LC (138), LM (150), & DG's (154) to D5D's (116).... they would have 3, 6 ,6, & 3 fighters respectively. (costs not included in BPV totals)

I would have lost more than the one heavy I did against D5D's if it hadn't been for people new to the D2 NOT realizing that capturing was an option until they had already used all their marines on H&R's.

Drone speeds increase the BPV of the D5D. I *think* it's 36 points more for medium speed drones (standard number of reloads), and 72 for fast. The fact SFC lets you have even more drones should count as a bit more BPV still.
.. anyways, point is that with Med speed drones, it just might be a close match-up in BPV.

Yeah, the key is... can the D5D get waves of drones going after the Hydran? 

They can do this multiple times, the Hydran only needs to mess up once.

[Mog]

Seem to have drifted away from the drift away lol. No comments on my chart that shows only the Lyrans needing to use power (on top of phasers) for drone/fighter defence, in relation to a long delay on the power pack implementation?

[FPF-DieHard]

Seem to have drifted away from the drift away lol. No comments on my chart that shows only the Lyrans needing to use power (on top of phasers) for drone/fighter defence, in relation to a long delay on the power pack implementation?

I do not think anyone disputes this, at least not while sober. 

My point is the Lyrans being a "chump" race because ot the FYA for the powerpack being pushed back is not true.  Many good ships, CF, CCH, etc, are not affected by this.

[FPF-Bach]

Most of us have been playing the game for years. Is it fast approaching the old saying that 'if you dont have it you never will?'

Guess your SOL then!!